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Post  bb1 Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:57 pm

Amazing, a newspaper has actually bothered to give a few column inches to contemporary child abuse:

http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/news/local/south-yorkshire-police-chief-grilled-over-sex-grooming-1-5037211
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Post  Sabot Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:07 pm

bb1 wrote:Yes, that was pretty condescending, especially as we have been following this from the start.

And read many hours of Media Reports, of which that is all there is. And I read her largely ignored Blog in the process of my "Research", which was written before Anna spilled the beans. But then Anna gave some serious consideration to what she had to say. This silly woman is just suffering from sour grapes.
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:39 am

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Mirror: News UK News Jimmy Savile child abuse
By Tom Pettifor
New sex abuse bombshell: Jimmy Savile police to arrest TV stars 'within days'

26 Oct 2012 00:00
The celebrities named by victims – some huge household names – are set to be quizzed over serious sex assault allegations within days

Child and sex abuse claims against a dozen TV stars were yesterday described as a “landmark” inquiry by police probing Jimmy Savile.

As detectives were set to start making arrests, Commander Peter Spindler revealed 300 victims have contacted his team since an ITV show exposed Savile as a sex predator three weeks ago.

Around 130 of these have been spoken to so far and 114 assault claims made.

Mr Spindler said: “I have no doubt that we are in watershed moment for child abuse investigation and this will be a landmark investigation.

“I want to praise the courage of the 300 or so who have come forward.”

The celebrities named by victims – some huge household names – are set to be quizzed over serious sex assault allegations within days.

Other suspects who have been named are believed to include former BBC staff.

While the majority of calls fielded by police are about Savile, some relate to individuals who are believed to have been complicit in the TV star’s abuse, or carried out abuse themselves.

But Mr Spindler declined to say where these people worked or if they had links to the NHS, BBC or other institutions with which Savile was involved.

Revealing an “arrest strategy” had been drawn up by his 30-strong team of officers, he said: “There is Savile but there are also others and if those others are living we can now look at them.

"We are dealing with a major crime investigation here.

Twisted: Savile escaped justice while he was alive
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“There’s Savile on his own, and that’s the vast majority of what we’re being told about, there’s Savile and others.

"And it’s the others, if they’re living, we can look at them. Then there is a third category which is ‘others’.”

A source added: “It is now to be determined how seriously these claims should be taken.”

It yesterday emerged Savile was once investigated for a sex attack on BBC premises as far back as the 80s.

A retired police officer has come forward to reveal that he carried out an inquiry after an assault in the star’s caravan in the car park at TV Centre in West London – but there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

The woman reported the attack at Hammersmith police station. It is not clear if the BBC was made aware of it.

It is also not known if Savile was ever questioned over the allegation.

Mr Spindler said that officers were trying to find the file on the case but had so far been unsuccessful.

Questions were being asked last night about the extent that authorities failed to link a series of complaints which could have stopped Savile carrying out further assaults on young girls.

At least seven women reported attacks by the presenter before his death last year.

Mr Spindler said another woman came forward to the Met in 2003 to report that Savile had touched her ­inappropriately in the 70s.

She did not want to press charges but wanted police to know in case it fitted in with any other pattern, he said.

It is not clear why these allegations were not flagged up to Surrey police when they informed all forces they were investigating Savile in 2007 over four new sex allegations.

Detectives from over five forces were aware of claims before 2011 – including two attacks on girls at a school and one at Stoke Mandeville hospital – but they did not result in an arrest.

Sally Freeman, a spokeswoman for Women Against Rape, said: “It’s appalling that he was never even arrested despite all these separate allegations.”

Scotland Yard is following more than 400 lines of inquiry linked to the victims, of whom all except two are women.

Mr Spindler said he was aware of a “key individuals” who have not yet spoken to the police, adding: “If there’s anybody out there who is still sitting waiting, wondering whether to speak out we want to assure them they are no longer a part of what one of the victims’ groups called the ‘unbelievables’.”

Officers are trying to contact victims as quickly as possible – but for some it is the first time they have come forward.

The NSPCC has had 439 calls about sexual abuse in the past three weeks, a 60% rise on what they would normally receive. Two out of five have been referred to social services and police.

Mr Spindler said Savile was “undoubtedly” one of the most prolific sex offenders of recent history and believes the weight of evidence against the late DJ was overwhelming.

He said: “We have to believe what they are saying because they are all saying the same thing independently.”

He added Savile had been protected because “children or young people had not felt empowered to speak out”.

Earlier Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, said the “tsunami of filth” that has emerged over Savile’s child abuse had caused terrible damage to the BBC.

He said the governing body’s priority was to “get to the bottom of what’s happened” for the sake of victims.

He said: “Our main concern has to be for the victims of abuse and worse who have been marooned for years, trying to tell their stories and not being believed, including, it seems, by the BBC, and to deal with the terrible damage to the BBC.”
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Post  Lamplighter Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:58 am

Now Miss Whiplash has joined in!!!! LL rofl rofl

News UK News Jimmy Savile child abuse

Jimmy Savile paid me £3 for sex when I was 15, claims Miss Whiplash

26 Oct 2012 00:00
Lindi St Clair said the star had sex with her and a 13-year-old friend when they were runaways
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Claims: Miss Whiplash Lindi St Clair

Former prostitute Lindi St Clair yesterday claimed she had sex with Jimmy Savile when she was just 15 – and he paid her £3.

Lindi, who went on to be known as dominatrix Miss Whiplash, said the star had sex with her and a 13-year-old friend when they were runaways.

The 60-year-old said: “When we left, he asked us to return with our friends but we stayed away.”

She added: “I recognised him from TV but did not want to ask about his ­identity as I might have lost the trade.”

She said Savile took them to his “messy” bedsit near Carnaby Street in London’s West End in 1968.
Looking at that, he must have been bleeding desperate! LL vomit
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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:14 pm

Oh, this is ridiculous. Mind you, at least Miss Whiplash doesn't seem to want compo, as Savile paid her and the other tart at the time. rofl rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:25 pm

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-five/#comments

Anna Raccoon October 26, 2012 at 17:01

Now, who would want to threaten a blogger, or an elderly lady, for telling the truth? Someone with a vested interest in continuining this hysteria?

Raises all sorts of questions, does that.
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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:45 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1003254/savile-freddie-starr-offers-to-talk-to-police

Savile: Freddie Starr Offers To Talk To Police

Comedian denies sexual assault and claims that the press, police and the BBC 'knew that things were going on with Savile'.

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Starr has offered voluntarily to talk to police

Comedian Freddie Starr has said he is prepared to speak to police in connection with abuse allegations made against Jimmy Savile.

Mr Starr appeared alongside Savile on an episode of the BBC television show Clunk Click in 1974 alongside a 14-year-old girl who has accused him of molesting her.

Starr initially denied touching Karin Ward inappropriately, and denied he met her on the show. He later agreed he had appeared on the programme and his lawyer issued a statement claiming he had been mistaken.

"Mr Starr cannot be expected to recollect every show that he has appeared on and to remember every person that he has ever met," he said.

"In respect of Karin Ward this was not a name that Freddie could remember and therefore had no recollection of meeting her.

"It would now appear from seeing footage of a Clunk Click show aired in 1974 that in fact Freddie was mistaken and therefore that he had in fact been on a Jimmy Savile show.

"However, this does not detract away from the fact that Freddie vigorously denies the awful allegation that has been made by Karin Ward which, despite this footage, is still totally unsupported and uncorroborated by any other evidence."

Speaking outside his home the comedian said: "I have said from the word go that I wanted to be interviewed. I have always said that I wanted to be interviewed.

"I have got the press phoning me up to ask if I have been interviewed. I got sick of it. Everybody, the press, the police, people at the BBC, they knew that things were going on with Jimmy Savile.

"Everybody is guilty of this. You can put the finger on everybody at the BBC. This fellow was at school when all this was happening."

Mr Starr's announcement comes as it has emerged that at least seven alleged victims of Jimmy Savile made complaints of sexual abuse against him while he was still alive.

Scotland Yard has admitted four police forces were aware in the 1980s of claims against the former TV presenter and DJ.

The first of the seven claims was made in the 1980s by a young girl, who said she had been subjected to an indecent assault at BBC TV Centre.

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Post  bb1 Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:35 pm

More on this:

http://news.sky.com/story/1003254/savile-freddie-starr-offers-to-talk-to-police

A spokeswoman for Mr Starr said: "Freddie is prepared to be interviewed by the police, but his lawyer has been in touch with the person heading the investigation and they have no intention of questioning him.

"I asked him the direct question whether the police wished to question Mr Starr as we had heard from the Press that such questioning was imminent.

"(the officer) replied in writing 'We have said nothing of the sort. There has been much inaccurate speculation on such matters but should that be considered in the future I have cc'd in the Senior Investigating Officer so he is aware of your details.'

"It would therefore appear clear that the police currently have no intention to question Mr Starr who has continually denied the allegation made by Karin Ward.

"We have always maintained there is absolutely no corroborating evidence to support such a wild allegation. The confirmation from the police today that there is no intention to question Mr Starr at present supports this."

Scotland Yard declined to comment on the claims.


So, if the police don't want to talk to him, and are making noises about 'inaccurate speculation' - then WTF is going on?

Any ideas?
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:59 am

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Savile: Celebs 'Frightened By Police Probe'
Sky News – 3 hours ago

Dozens of big name stars from the 1960s and 70s have contacted Max Clifford "frightened to death" they will become implicated in the widening Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal, the PR guru has claimed.

He said the stars, some of whom are still big names today, were worried because at their peak they had lived a hedonistic lifestyle where young girls threw themselves at them but they "never asked for anybody's birth certificate".

Scotland Yard is leading the current investigation into accusations of abuse by former BBC DJ and presenter Savile, which now involve around 300 potential victims.
Officers have searched a cottage belonging to Savile in Allt na Reigh in Glencoe, Scotland, to look for "any evidence of any others being involved in any offending with him".

Speaking on London's LBC radio, Mr Clifford said young pop stars at the time had gone from working in a factory one week to performing in front of thousands of people "and girls are screaming and throwing themselves at them then".

"All kinds of things went on and I do mean young girls throwing themselves at them in their dressing rooms at concert halls, at gigs, whatever," he said. "They never asked for anybody's birth certificate and they were young lads ... suddenly everyone's dream was a reality."

He added: "We are talking about a lot of people that were huge names in the 60s and 70s and a lot of them barely remember what they did last week, genuinely. For them to try and recount what happened in a dressing room in 1965 or 1968 or 1972, genuinely they are frightened to death."

Mr Clifford said that he did not condone the men's behaviour, but that it could be understood, adding: "No one had heard the word paedophile in those days, the 60s and 70s."

Seven alleged victims of Savile made complaints to four separate police forces, Surrey, London, Sussex and Jersey, while the disgraced television presenter was alive but it was decided that no further action should be taken.

Scotland Yard revealed on Friday that a retired officer had told them that he had investigated Savile in the 1980s while based in west London but did not have the evidence to proceed.

Commander Peter Spindler said he believed the allegation was of an indecent assault, possibly in a caravan on BBC premises in west London, but officers have still not found the original file.

Another allegation, of inappropriate touching dating back to the 1970s, was made by a woman in 2003, but this was treated as "intelligence" by police because the victim did not want to take action.

Surrey Police submitted a file to the Crown Prosecution Service containing references to four potential offences, including an allegation of indecent assault on a young girl at a children's home.

The allegations related to three potential victims in Surrey and another in Sussex, and Savile was interviewed under caution in 2009, but prosecutors decided there was insufficient evidence to bring charges.

The seventh allegation emerged in 2008 when Jersey police received a claim that an indecent assault occurred at children's home Haut de la Garenne in the 1970s. Again it was decided that there was insufficient evidence to proceed.

Mr Spindler said Savile was "undoubtedly" one of the most prolific sex offenders he had come across and that Operation Yewtree, looking into Savile's crimes, would be a "watershed moment" for child abuse investigations.

Claims have been made that former DJ Savile, who died last year aged 84, targeted children while they were in hospital. He had a bedroom at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, an office and living quarters at Broadmoor and widespread access to Leeds General Infirmary.
I bet they are! Clifford is right, though, it was the so-called 'permissive era' and girls did throw themselves at celebrities. I know of one very well-known actor who was targeted by celebrity-mad teenagers despite his being married; mind you, I don't say he didn't go with the flow .... LL
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Oct 27, 2012 9:02 am

"All children should be eaten at birth": Jimmy Savile denied sex abuse in 2006 interview

27 Oct 2012 00:00
In the rare interview for UTV in Northern Ireland , Savile said he “never loved” the children on his show Jim’ll Fix It


Interview: DJ Jimmy Savile talking to Gerry Kelly at Mr Savile's house in Leeds
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Television bosses have uncovered a six-year-old interview with Jimmy Savile in which he said: “I think all children should be eaten at birth.”

He made the remark as he was just about to turn 80 in 2006 and was asked whether he would have liked to have become a father.

In the rare interview for UTV, the Northern Ireland ITV franchise, Savile, who died last year, said he “never loved” the children on his show Jim’ll Fix It.

He was also questioned about rumours of him having under-age sex and replied: “Any tabloid journalist will tell you two things.

"One: I’m very boring.

"Two: I don’t do drugs, I don’t do under-age sex or any of them things that you read in the papers today.

“But they still like coming round to talk to me cause they know that I’ll give them an angle they’ve maybe never had before.”

He added: “I don’t have an Internet, I don’t have a computer, I don’t know what an email is. I don’t know anything about that world…

"I will read a paper, if they are free on a train, so I know what's happening.

"Like everybody else all I need to do is spend two minutes on any one subject to be an expert on that particular subject, so it doesn't bother me and all these odd things you are talking about.

"Definitely what you see is what you get. And no matter what anyone thinks of you is entirely up to them.

"And if they think highly of you so be it, that's all right. If they don't think kindly of you that all right as well."

“All these odd things that you’re talking about [the rumours]... Hey, all you can expect from a pig is a grunt.

"That’s it. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest.”

See this link to watch him lie on film. Also Gerry Kelly's reaction about the interview. He didn't like savile, called him sleazy, and said his lady producer wouldn't go in the lift with savile that went straight to his apartment. LL

http://www.u.tv/News/UTV-airs-revealing-Savile-interview/b1554797-3d3c-4a6f-97a1-7853c77d177e
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:28 am

Please note - at least one of those 'complaints' is actually none other than Bennett sticky-beaking yet again. He contacted the NSPCC to complain about one of the people he claims is an acquaintance of Ed Smethurst:


This week I wrote to them again, because when I checked out ********* FB home page, it had on its wall a large pic of Gary Glitter, naked to the waist, and one of Jimmy Savile. What does that tell us?


It tells me that Bennett is a sinister, obsessed individual with a prurient interest in other people's lives.

It also tells me that the stalkee is well aware of Bennett hanging around and is deliberately winding him up on a semi-public FB page with a couple of tacky old photos.

Bennett must like making donations to the Find Madeleine Fund.
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Post  lily Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:46 am

Please forgive the slightly off-topic post but, devoted supporter of Bennett one Tony Q was a huge fan of Gary Glitter. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:56 am

Have you been following events on Anna Raccoon's blog, LL? If not, you are missing a treat.

It has become glaringly obvious that events at Dunscroft, as alleged on the original Newsnight report, simply did not happen. Then yesterday, several of the supposed 'victims' turned up issuing threats and abuse, and generally acting like trolls. Which did nothing for their credibility.

Where that leaves anything, I do not know, but on top of the forged letter, it would suggest that Newsnight and ITV were taken for a ride. It was even more suspicious when one of the 'victims' announced that anyone who queried anything was jealous because they wanted in on the action....

I am not surprised all those faded stars are worried about being dragged into this witch-hunt - which is precisely what it is, with people being named and pronounced guilty in the media, to keep the mob hysteria whipped up.

There are questions I would like to see answers to - like, was the BBC deliberately protecting Savile, in full knowledge that he couldn't keep his hands to himself.

And, why the Hell did the then government - Thatcher, I believe - think a DJ was the ideal person to run a secure unit for the criminally-insane?

But, that will not happen if it turns out, after a proper police investigation - as opposed to a media witch-hunt - that the original complainants made it all up.

And that will make me very angry indeed.

Because if that happens, then the book-plugging 'victims' will have set child protection in the UK back decades. They will have ensured it is well-nigh impossible for GENUINE victims to be believed.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:58 am

Tony Q was a huge fan of Gary Glitter

Oh yes. And a huge fan of Bennett and Gonc. What does that tell us? Pcorneater
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Post  lily Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:07 am

bb1 wrote:Tony Q was a huge fan of Gary Glitter

Oh yes. And a huge fan of Bennett and Gonc. What does that tell us? Pcorneater

Exactly, Bonny. I remember a lot of disturbing things that the Q thing said. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:39 am

Officers have searched a cottage belonging to Savile in Allt na Reigh in Glencoe, Scotland, to look for "any evidence of any others being involved in any offending with him".

Is it me, or does that sound a bit, well, desperate? As in, The police are looking for any evidence of Bigfoot?

I am not a happy bunny. If, after POLICE investigation, this turns out to be 5% Savile being a menace to any young female who got too close to him, and 95% fantasy, false memory, compo-seeking, bandwagon-jumping and media driven collective hysteria, then the damage done to child protection in the UK will be immeasurable.

There are people who have devoted their lives to campaigning for child abuse, and the protection of young people, to be treated with the seriousness it deserves, and that is all going to go down the toilet if these allegations turn out to be without foundation.

Which makes me very angry indeed.


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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:00 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1003492/savile-family-our-hearts-go-out-to-victims

Savile Family: Our Hearts Go Out To Victims

Jimmy Savile's relatives say they are in "turmoil" at revelations about the star and insist they had no idea of his activities.

Jimmy Savile's relatives have insisted they knew nothing of his "darker side" as they expressed their sorrow for his alleged victims.

In the family's first major reaction to the scandal, the Jim'll Fix It star's nephew Robert Foster released a lengthy statement charting their increasing horror at the revelations about his life.

Mr Foster, who helped organise Savile's funeral last year, tells how the family had been "proud of his achievements" but that this turned to shock as they were hit by the "firestorm of allegations".

He insisted the family had known nothing about this side of the DJ and television presenter and could not believe the claims when they emerged at the start of this month.

Mr Foster said he watched the ITV documentary which first exposed Savile as an alleged abuser "with horror". "This wasn't the man we knew and loved," he said.

As the allegations kept multiplying, the family "began to have doubts as to our own feeling towards our uncle", the retired deputy headteacher said.

"How could the person we thought we knew and loved do such a thing", he asked, and questioned how someone who did so much for charity would "risk it all doing indecent criminal acts".

As the "outrage" intensified, the family decided it had to remove the elaborate headstone on Savile's grave to avoid it becoming a target for vandals.

"The decision was a difficult one to make but we knew it was the right one," Mr Foster said.

The statement, published by the Yorkshire Post, continues: "We recognise that even our own despair and sadness does not compare to that felt by the victims.

"Our thoughts and our prayers are with those who have suffered from every kind of abuse over so many years and we offer our deepest sympathy in what must have been a terrible time for all of them."

The family acknowledged the "courage" it has taken for Savile's alleged victims to speak out know and said they understand why they did not do so sooner.

"Our hearts go out to them and we offer them our sympathy and understanding in their anguish," the relatives said. "Where will it all end? Who knows? The repercussions of this scandal are enormous.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:12 pm

LL, I have absolutely no idea - yes, I think it was a great-neice, or great-great niece who claimed to have been groped? I say 'groped' as there aren't really any polite, PC words for his alleged activities - I've forgotten, have there been any actual rape allegations?

I don't know who is telling the truth, who is telling the part-truth, and who is telling outright giant porkies.

Which is EXACTLY why this should never, ever have been allowed to turn into a trial-by-media.
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Post  Lamplighter Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:17 pm

I've attached the link to my previous post, she states quite categorically that they all knew, that her grandmother covered it up. LL
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:36 pm

Thanks, LL, I couldn't remember specifically, there have been so many....

I genuinely do not know who is telling the truth and who isn't about this. The main battleground, currently, appears to be Anna Raccoon's blog, due to her and a few others actually having been at Duncroft when certain alleged events DIDN'T happen.

Which has led 'victims' to turn up issuing abuse and threats, and remarks like:

This is sour grapes by those who want in on the action

That's the sort of thing that sets my nose itching....

I don't know who is telling the truth, and cannot guess where this is going to end. But I suspect there are a good few twists, turns and surprises ahead.


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Post  Lamplighter Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:40 pm

I have trouble reading Anna's blog as it takes up more than my page size so I have to keep scrolling along the bottom. LL
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:55 pm

That's a pity, LL, a fascinating tale is unfolding there. As no doubt most of the media (and rather a lot of lawyers) will be watching it, it will probably end up in the mainstream media before too long.
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Post  bb1 Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:35 pm

The thick plottens. Those tricky inconsistencies have reached the mainstream:

https://twitter.com/GerardTubbSky

but look who has popped up there in full shriek:

Elementary Force ‏@ElementaryForce
@GerardTubbSky @wonderwoody1 @janiscowan unfortunately, Annaraccoon writes fiction not fact - so her posts can't 'show' anything


Why, 'tis none other than Filthy Photon, showing off her latest hydra-head!
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