Re: Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:58 pm

Oh dear me, wheels seem to be falling off bandwagons....

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-four/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AnnaRaccoon+%28Anna+Raccoon%29

We seem to have another real, live genuine witness to events - or rather, non-events, in the comments:

Ellen Coulson October 25, 2012 at 15:36

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:25 pm

bb1 wrote:Oh dear me, wheels seem to be falling off bandwagons....

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-four/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AnnaRaccoon+%28Anna+Raccoon%29

We seem to have another real, live genuine witness to events - or rather, non-events, in the comments:

Ellen Coulson October 25, 2012 at 15:36

There appears to be three of them now, Bonny, all saying the same as Anna. And Jimmy Savile never went near the place until 1974.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:30 pm

I don't know what to make of it, Sabot. There seems to be no doubt that he was a dirty old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself around young girls, but what happens if it is proven that what was broadcast by ITV was, well, lies?

From the police statement today, it appears there is no evidence of any 'peedo rings' [sic] despite the dribblings from certain quarters, so where it leaves any of it, I have no idea.

I am sure the lawyers will be rubbing their hands, whatever happens.

Incidentally, why are they all wanting compo now? I thought they just wanted to 'tell their stories', etc?

And if it does turn out that the ones on the ITV show were being less than truthful, can Savile's relatives then demand compo from THEM for all the damage it has caused?

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:00 pm

Well, none of the girls who were there in 1965/66 while Anna was there, and who are claiming abuse at the hands of Jimmy Savile, can possibly be telling anything resembling the truth. And since I very much doubt that Miss Jones would have tolerated any such thing, I think we can discard any suggestion at all while she was still in charge, which appears to be until the school became the the territory of Dr. Barnardo's in 1976.
And I think that niece of his might have put paid to any Compo for the family. If you believe her, of course.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:06 pm

Sabot, I don't think I believe ANYONE involved in this, not the BBC, not Rantzen, not anyone, except for Anna and those who have stuck their heads above the parapet over the last day or two.

This is EXACTLY why the police should have been left to investigate, instead of the tabloids whipping up hysteria. Apart from anything else, if any of the 'victims' are shown to have made the whole thing up, then where do they think that leaves children who are genuinely being abused right now?

This circus isn't going to help, is it?

If I was really, really cynical, I would say the State has encouraged the hysteria, because that way not too many people are looking closely at the mess the country is in. Or what has been going on in Rochdale, and elsewhere.

**Lamplighter** Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:13 pm

I am sure savile was a dirty old man, a lecher, but these stories are giving me a bad feeling, in fact they have for quite some time. Anna's 'exposé' is very interesting; if I am reading her story right, that she was there when all this was apparently going on, it lends credence to the thought that some people are after the money. If I have read her wrong, please will someone put me right. Thanks. LL

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:29 pm

I could see this happening from day one, for various reasons, not least that he is dead, and some of those girls were obviously hysterical. But never in a million years did I expect Anna to surface on this. Although I can now safely say that I did know about some of this, just from passing conversation. We both had Children's Homes in common, and we both had lovely women who fought for us in so far as they were able. I guess that my experience was a little more gentle than Anna's, although I was sent back home to more abuse.
And No, I don't really blame my stepmother. She was passing ill. But both Anna and I went on to become the people we are because we fell under the influence of women who looked after us, and cared about us.
I wouldn't have stood a hope in hell's chance of joining the Wrens if I had applied with the hideous London accent I had grown up with, or without the confidence that Mhari briefly installed in me.
Okay, It was basic snobbery, and I have suffered somewhat at the hands of my peers because I speak like a toff. But that's the joke. I am not who I appear to be.

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:43 pm

Lamplighter wrote:I am sure savile was a dirty old man, a lecher, but these stories are giving me a bad feeling, in fact they have for quite some time. Anna's 'exposé' is very interesting; if I am reading her story right, that she was there when all this was apparently going on, it lends credence to the thought that some people are after the money. If I have read her wrong, please will someone put me right. Thanks. LL

No, you have not read her wrong. She was there when absolutely nothing was going on, and Jimmy Savile was no where near Duncroft.
I am not sure that Jimmy Savile was a dirty old man, and I don't think I am ever going to be. And I certainly doubt that anyone is going to come forward to say, "I saw him do it", which is the only proof they could ever hope for.
And I would be more inclined to believe that Tony Bennett is a dirty old man. But I am not having that either.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:02 pm

From what I am reading in the edit added to the OP:

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/past-lives-and-present-misgivings-part-four/

There seems to be internet skullduggery going on, and someone trying to cover her tracks.

Certainly, I followed a hotlink yesterday - and today, the material it led to was gone, wayback machine or not.

I don't know, did the people who started this forget there would be living witnesses to non-events? Or didn't they expect anyone to come forward and say, Hold it, that isn't true, look at the records?

What a mess! Still, no doubt the lawyers will make a lot of money.

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:19 pm

I suspect that basically The Media despises these girls, and thought that there would only ever be claims of Abuse. Poor old them, unloved and forever useless and emotionally damaged.
Well they got that wrong on more counts than one.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:26 pm

It's the BBC who have been getting it in the neck over this, and you can bet ten years' licence fee that THEIR lawyers will now be doing some digging of their own.

Somewhere or other, I read that one of the BBC high-ups had said at the start that the Newsnight broadcast should not go out, unless it had a standard of proof that would be acceptable to a court, or if Savile had been alive.

As we would now appear to have fabricated events to accompany the fabricated letter, perhaps she should have been listened to.

Can the BBC sue ITV?

**Lamplighter** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:33 pm

The latest from sky:

Police Reveal Scale Of Savile's Alleged Abuse
Sky News – 2 hours 15 minutes ago

Police Dealing With '300 Savile Victims'

Police Reveal Scale Of Savile's Alleged Abuse
Jimmy Savile has been described as one of the most "prolific" sex attackers ever, with police taking evidence from 300 alleged victims.
Commander Peter Spindler said officers are following more than 400 lines of inquiry linked to the victims, of whom all except two are women.
He said that the weight of evidence against the late DJ was overwhelming and added: "We have to believe what they are saying because they are all saying the same thing independently."
The officer said Savile was "undoubtedly" one of the most prolific sex offenders of recent history.
The team working on the investigation into the allegations has now been trebled to include 30 officers.
Investigators have so far spoken to 130 people who have come forward, and 114 allegations of sexual assault have emerged - the vast majority against Savile.
Officers are using a "triage" approach, first making contact with victims by phone to get initial details of their allegations, Cmdr Spindler said.
He told a news conference that most of the allegations are linked to Savile, but some involve others who may have acted with him.
The inquiry will be a "watershed" moment in the investigation of child abuse, he added.
Sky Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said that police have not found any evidence that a paedophile ring was in operation at any institution associated with Savile.
Cmdr Spindler also revealed that a retired police officer had been in touch to say he had investigated Savile in the 1980s while based in west London but he had not had the evidence to proceed.
It is believed the allegation was of an indecent assault on BBC premises but officers have still not found the original file.
According to Cmdr Spindler, Savile had been protected during his reign of abuse because "children or young people" had not felt "empowered to speak out".
Meanwhile, a solicitor acting on behalf of victims of Savile has launched claims against the late celebrity's estate on behalf of clients.
Alan Collins, a partner and specialist in abuse work at law firm Pannone, said: "Much has been written and said about possible actions against the BBC and it is true that claims may be brought against them and other organisations Savile was involved with.
"However, if he was acting as an individual, it is possible to take action against Sir Jimmy Savile's estate because he was a wealthy man and there will be assets to claim against.
"It is imperative that action is taken promptly in order to advance clients' claims which arise from their allegations of sexual abuse."

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:39 pm

"It is imperative that action is taken promptly in order to advance clients' claims which arise from their allegations of sexual abuse."

Oh, I'm sure it is. Why am I not surprised?

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:39 pm

It is seriously all going to collapse, and every other accused is going to use the fabrications. No matter what anyone says about any individual, there is No Proof.

And did anyone else pick up that certain women made complaints but then refused to support those claims by swearing to them? So why make a complaint in the first place if you aren't prepared to back it up?

Such a sad and sorry waste of time. And what is to become of all of his money? Bin it, will they?

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:44 pm

And did anyone else pick up that certain women made complaints but then refused to support those claims by swearing to them? So why make a complaint in the first place if you aren't prepared to back it up

I saw that, Sabot. I would have thought that they would be only too keen to make their complaints a matter of legal record, but seemingly not.

However, I somehow don't think the witnesses to the non-event will have no difficulties at all to making statements on oath, should the need arise.

Which I think it is going to.

**muratfan** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:47 pm

Wonder how many are making stories up just to get some money... My sister was at Stoke Mandaville when Savile visited.(god bless her)....so hey maybe she could get some money from it.

**Lamplighter** Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:52 pm

From the Mail Online, I've just posted the link as there are quite a few pics on the story. LL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222878/Jimmy-Savile-scandal-Inside-paedophiles-Glencoe-lair-20-suffered-abuse.html?ICO=most_read_module

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:10 pm

It's spartan, and looks very clean - not really anyone's idea of a den of iniquity...

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:42 pm

bb1 wrote:
And did anyone else pick up that certain women made complaints but then refused to support those claims by swearing to them? So why make a complaint in the first place if you aren't prepared to back it up

I saw that, Sabot. I would have thought that they would be only too keen to make their complaints a matter of legal record, but seemingly not.

However, I somehow don't think the witnesses to the non-event will have no difficulties at all to making statements on oath, should the need arise.

Which I think it is going to.

I will want to know why if they don't. They might lie, but it is never that simple. They will be expected to substantiate their claims, so I expect that most of them will call "Foul" and disappear into the ether claiming emotional distress. As if anyone ever got emotionally distress by some silly old man having a quick grope. Sorry, I never did. I would be in a mental institution if I ever had. This was life. And guess what? It still is. Even at my age. This should tell anyone how very desperate these silly old men are.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:49 pm

I see one of the 'victims' has now been caught telling rather large, undeniable porkies to her local newspaper. This might be a very good time for them to decide they are all in the grip of False Memory Syndrome and sue their therapists instead.

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:23 pm

bb1 wrote:I see one of the 'victims' has now been caught telling rather large, undeniable porkies to her local newspaper. This might be a very good time for them to decide they are all in the grip of False Memory Syndrome and sue their therapists instead.

Ha! I had a Psychiatrist once, when I was eleven. It didn't take me long to work out that he was nuts, and he certainly scared the bejesus out of me. He wanted me to tell him that my stepmother had abused me, which was true, but I wasn't telling him that. I mean, what sort of Nark did he think I was? rofl

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:34 pm

What would be truly ironic would be - some of them having gone to Zoe Pillock for 'therapy'. It's glaringly obvious that it's her favourite topic of conversation, anyway.

IMO, the media should butt out. The police and the lawyers can sort it out. And for every lawyer claiming Savile was a veritable Bluebeard, and his client needs gazillions of compo to help her 'heal', another lawyer is going to be saying, Your client is a lying so-and-so, Savile was running a marathon in Timbuktoo when she claims he lured her to his lair in Glencoe.

It'll go on for years, and no-one will gain anything apart from the lawyers.

And meanwhile, vulnerable children who are quite undeniably being horribly abused will be ignored. As is already happening with the girls who were turned into prostitutes in Rochdale.

Oh, and the BBC will put up the licence fee to pay for its lawyers.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:36 pm

I hope the police let them take their zimmer frames with them....

**Sabot** Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:49 pm

I have just received the most bizaire and insulting reply on Anna Raccoons Blog. But don't worry, I sorted her. I might even get told off. But I wasn't wrong. I just kept my opinion to myself, until the stupid pillock attacked me. Jeesus, do these people never learn? I might look like a pussy cat, but I am not, when pushed.

**bb1** Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:52 pm

Yes, that was pretty condescending, especially as we have been following this from the start.

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