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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:22 am

Mr Richard’s intervention follows claims last week by former Tory Minister Edwina Currie that Morrison had sex with 16-year-old boys when the age of consent was 21 and that he had been protected by a ‘culture of sniggering’. In her diaries, she called him ‘a noted pederast’, with a liking for young boys.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224167/Former-Minister-says-Thatcher-aide-paedophile-preyed-boys-home--Hague-known.html#ixzz2AakRgZr7
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Salmonella Currie is also the person who decided a BBC DJ was the perfect candidate to sort out Broadmoor's problems.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:05 pm

Jimmy Savile: Thompson's Office 'Was Warned'
Sky News – 20 minutes ago

The Jimmy Savile child abuse allegations were flagged up to the office of former BBC boss Mark Thompson at least twice, according to new claims.
The then director-general's office was formally alerted by journalist Miles Goslett in May and by an ITV email in September, The Sunday Times reports.
According to the paper, his aides were told on both occasions that the allegations concerned Savile's alleged abuse of minors on BBC premises.
Mr Thompson, who has since left the BBC and is about to start a job as chief executive of The New York Times, denies he was ever personally informed.
Mr Goslett is said to have spoken to Jessica Cecil, the head of Mr Thompson's office and asked to speak to him about allegations that Savile had molested underage girls on BBC premises.
Ms Cecil told Mr Goslett to speak to the press office and said she did not tell Mr Thompson of the allegations.
A BBC spokesman said: "Jessica Cecil's firm recollection of this brief call is she advised the journalist to put their points to the BBC press office. She then informed the BBC's director of communications about the call."
A spokesman for Mr Thompson said: "Mark was not aware of the conversation between Miles Goslett and Jessica Cecil on May 18, 2012. He was on holiday at the time and this brief conversation was not relayed to him, either then or subsequently."
On September 7, ITV is reported to have contacted Mr Thompson's office with detailed questions about its findings based on interviews with 10 victims.
Again, Mr Thompson was not informed.
The former BBC chief has previously said he was neither "notified nor briefed" about details of Newsnight's investigation into the Jim'll Fix It star which was later controversially dropped.
He later told reporters he had "formed the impression it [the Newsnight investigation] was about sex abuse" after a conversation at a party but when he called the news department he was told it had been axed for editorial reasons.
Police have now described Savile, who died in 2011, as a sexual predator who could be one of the worst paedophiles the UK has ever seen.
Hundreds of people have come forward claiming to be his victims. Around 130 have so far been questioned. A further 114 assault claims have been made.
Amid major questions about the culture at the BBC and its decision not to proceed with the Newsnight programme on Savile, the corporation has ordered three inquiries.
The chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, has said he is dedicated to getting to the bottom of the scandal, vowing there would be "no covering our backs".
He wrote in the Mail on Sunday that the broadcaster "must tell the truth and face up to the truth about itself, however terrible".
Communities Secretary Eric Pickles told Sky News that the BBC should take it as a wake-up call to become more open.
"I think it's in all our interests for the BBC to be held in the highest esteem that it deserves and I think the problem at the heart of the BBC is that the organisation is too secretive," he told Sky's Dermot Murnaghan.
"I think it should think now that it should open itself up to Freedom of Information requests. I think it should look towards publishing a lot of its expenditure online... I don't think it can see itself away from the real world."
Childline founder and ex-BBC TV presenter Esther Rantzen told Sky News: "There are so many questions that need to be answered.
"What happened when people witnessed bad things happening when Jimmy Savile was at his height?
"How is it that this pain-staking piece of journalism (Savile investigation) was not transmitted on one of the flagship programmes (Newsnight)?"
She added: "What happened in the last four weeks is too late. I want the right judgements to have been made far earlier."
Link to a video of Rantzen on Sky News pontificating on what the BBC should have done - but didn't she say she KNEW???? LL
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/skyuknews-14438125/savile-bbc-faces-many-questions-30975952.html
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:29 pm


Childline founder and ex-BBC TV presenter Esther Rantzen told Sky News: "There are so many questions that need to be answered.
"What happened when people witnessed bad things happening when Jimmy Savile was at his height?


I hope she was looking in the mirror when she said that? If anyone needs 'investigated', it's her.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:34 pm


So when are all the Innocent Witnesses going to come forward and say they saw him do it? You know, all these people who knew what he did but didn't do noffink themselves.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 2:55 pm

There is going to be no sense to be got out of anyone as long as the media, especially the tabloids, are whipping up hysteria, Sabot.

Just look at this Mail headline:

Who's next? Gary Glitter is first high-profile celebrity to be arrested in Savile sex abuse probe as he's taken away for questioning

Since when was that old CONVICTED perv re-elevated to the ranks of 'celebrity'? And what is it, exactly, they expect him to say? He is hardly going to admit to perving with Savile in BBC dressingrooms back in the 70's, as he would be handing himself another jail sentence - that is NOT what he was jailed for in the first place, so he can face new charges.

And who tipped off the media that he was going to be arrested, so they could cover the arrest?

It is worth remembering that by the 80's, his career was pretty much over - so why has the Wail made him a celeb all over again?

To mangle metaphors, truth is always the first casualty when media circuses are in full swing. Ironically, now Gadd has been charged arrested, he really shouldn't be speculated about.
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Post  rhodes Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:21 pm

I absolutely agree with more spotlights being shone on what those gangs of dirty barstewards are doing to kids in "care"----------it's absolutely disgusting what appears to have been allowed to continue incase someone played the race card.

bb1 wrote:I would be happier if the same amount of column inches, police time, and TV news was being devoted to the children being prostituted NOW by Asian gangs in some English cities, Rhodes.

But that doesn't seem to be of much interest to the media; I assume it is because it is not Politically Correct.

I wonder how those children, who have been/are being pimped out to multiple men every night feel reading about Savile's 'victims' wanting compo because he allegedly groped their backside in 1960?

I hasten to add, I am not defending backside-groping - it should have been stopped a long, long time ago, not least by the likes of Rantzen.

But I cannot help feeling that this hysteria has been deliberately whipped up to distract the more gullible from noticing what is going on in the UK RIGHT NOW.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:34 pm

I saw this program last night and some interesting points were made about paedophilia, especially about who were actually endorsing the practice. It's the first segment and the remarks are by Ann Leslie. LL
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01nr4dw/Dateline_London_27_10_2012/
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:45 pm

Savil's nephew interview on how this has affected him and the family and his acceptance that what he did not believe at first is in fact true. LL
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-20108609
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:52 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1003902/gary-glitter-released-on-bail

Gary Glitter Released On Bail

Glam rock star Gary Glitter is released on bail after being questioned by police investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse claims.

Former pop star Gary Glitter has been released on bail after he was questioned by police investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse claims.

Glitter, real name Paul Gadd, was seen leaving Charing Cross Police Station by the side entrance at around 5pm.

He was bailed to return to the police station in mid-December.

He had been taken from his central London home early on Sunday morning and detained by officers working on Operation Yewtree, which is investigating allegations of child sex abuse against Savile and others.

A police spokesman said: "Officers working on Operation Yewtree arrested a man in his 60s in connection with the investigation.

"The man, from London, was arrested on suspicion of sexual offences, and was taken into custody at a London police station.

"This individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Savile and others'."

Gadd served almost three years in jail in Vietnam after being convicted in March 2006 for child abuse offences.

He had moved to Vietnam to avoid media attention into his private life.

Gadd was deported back to the UK in 2008.


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So, they've lost interest in Gadd till mid-December? Looks like he didn't hand over proof that every single one of the Royal family is a shape-shifting lizard, then.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:55 pm

I would think they realise that, after his spending 3 years in a Vietnamese prison, anything the UK throw at him is peanuts. It may be that the police have decided to bail him and let him stew at home, see if he decides to help them with names etc or not. He's not a young man and he could get a hefty sentence; if he has any information then he would be sensible if he gives them what they want, names, places etc, etc. If he does, then his defence counsel can ask for a more lenient sentence because he has co-operated. If not, then he faces a long, hard time behind bars. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:21 pm

Surely that only applies if there is something resembling proof, or even evidence, LL? I really don't see 40-year-old he said/she saids counting for much?

There is no doubt about what Gadd is, and I don't think there has ever been a suggestion of him being part of any sort of organised 'peado [sic] rings', contrary to the babblings in the crazier parts of the internet. My own feeling is that Savile may have been much the same - an opportunist predator, and not the sort who leaves a paper trail.

Remember, Savile refused to go near the internet, so there is no smoking gun there.

There are also one or two huge problems with the witnesses, as I am sure the police are aware, though it isn't in the mainstream news so far. It's a pity you are unable to read Anna Raccoon's blog; with a bit of detective work, it has been established that Savile simply wasn't at the Duncroft school in the 60's, contrary to allegations.

He was there in the 70's, when it was apparently part of MIND.

It has also turned out that one of the witnesses, Ms Ward, in fact writes semi-autobiographical novels about child abuse. She's had two published, and by sheer coincidence, a third was due to be launched just when all this erupted.

Now, none of this means they are not telling the truth, but if you were the police, what would you do? The CPS aren't going to charge anyone without something at least resembling evidence, and right now, there isn't any - just a lot of allegations, many of them getting wilder by the moment. I actually saw a suggestion today that Savile was also a serial killer - in a newspaper, not the madder corners of the internet.

None of this means he wasn't a sexual predator, or that his employers didn't turn a blind eye to his activities.

I personally wouldn't care if Gadd was dropped in the Thames in a weighted sack, but maybe he simply doesn't have anything TO reveal?
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:50 pm

They are probably covering their backs, bonny; let's bail him and see if anything comes out of that move. I think Gadd is a lone perpetrator, and I think savile probably was too. They do say like gravitates to like, so they may have known of each others proclivities, but that doesn't make them members of a paedo ring. I saw that serial killer suggestion - yawn!! Did you watch that Dateline link I posted earlier? Ann Leslie did point out a couple of interesting things, like the attitude then to adult/child sex and that the Paedo Information service was affiliated to a child protection organisation (I may have that wrong, I am getting tired ....) I expect more celebs will be called in, and bailed. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:59 pm

As I recall, it wasn't child protection, it was the National Council for Civil Liberties, LL. Which is where the politics come in....

I hope the outcome of all this isn't that the baying mob screaming for blood aren't thrown a few minor characters (not that Gadd would be any great loss if he ended up behind bars again) whilst bigger fish wriggle off unscathed.

Which oddly enough, brings me back to Rochdale, and the Labour party, and one G. Galloway. In other parts of the internet, it is being suggested that Galloway is by no means a stranger to some of the scum who have already been jailed for pimping children while the local police, social workers and general establishment did nothing.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:06 pm

Is this going to be a "Seen to be Done" farce, and then "Sorry, Folks, we tried but couldn't prove anything?"

But they can't put Jimmy Savile on Trial, and nor can they trust what one or other of his supposed cohorts has to say.

The BBC and The NHS are going to fight back tooth and claw, and it is going to turn into the most God awful mess.

And some of us are going to be glad we didn't join in the witch hunt. However, they can hardly say that chasing foreigners is the only thing Brits do when we are right in the middle of tearing apart one of our own without a scrap of proof.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:35 pm

Someone official is bound to say, Lessons must be learned, any day now.


The BBC and The NHS are going to fight back tooth and claw, and it is going to turn into the most God awful mess.

Agree; I suspect they will be making plans quietly, while the mob seethes and rants. They won't put their heads above the parapet just yet, but there is bound to come a time - PLEASE make it soon - when the Great British Public find something more important to talk about than the late J. Savile.

It is bound to turn into a mess, it's a mess already. The lawyers will be rubbing their hands, though - they will win, whatever the outcome.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:38 pm


There are so many politically incorrect things that one could say about this, if one felt so inclined.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:59 pm

I was annoyed yesterday, with that woman who claimed that her supposed on-air encounter with Savile had ruined her life, wrecked her marriage, etc.

Anyone who watched the damned video could see she was LAUGHING, for God's sake. The police are going to have to sort out genuine complaints from time-wasting attention-seekers like her. People like her undermine genuine complainants, and I shouldn't think she is the only one.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:04 pm


The Daily Mail seemed to think she was telling the truth, and so did The Sun, but the Comments were interesting because everyone else could see that she was laughing.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:18 pm

I find it deeply hypocritical for the Wail and the Sun to be leading the mob over this matter, when both of their sites have acres of female flesh on display.

And look at what the Sun has, right under the Gadd story:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/

TOWIE Diags caught with trousers down

It's as near pornographic as to make no difference - yet they are pretending to be moral crusaders? Hypocrites.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:22 pm


I don't know about moral crusading, I thought they were just shit stirring.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:34 pm

Well, they both have their own agendas, don't they, between revenge for Leveson and being more than happy to cause trouble for the BBC.
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Yes, society really has improved since the 1970's, hasn't it? Not.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:23 pm


Is that paedophilia or isn't it?
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:45 pm

Yes, it has to be, Sabot. Savile is, we are told a paedophile, for doing far less, so what is this besides pimping by the State?

How on earth does society think girls can grow up with any sense of self-respect when the State is giving carte blanche to God knows who to abuse them - without any unwanted pregnancies as a result?

It's crazy. What is the point of arresting Gadd, or getting outraged about Savile, when the State itself is giving the green light to child abuse?
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:52 pm

Full story:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/9639650/Girls-of-13-given-birth-control-jab-at-school-without-parents-knowledge.html

Girls of 13 given birth control jab at school without parents’ knowledge
Schoolgirls as young as 13 are being given contraceptive injections and implants during lunch-breaks without their parents’ knowledge.


Words fail me. Why make things EASIER for scum to prey on children?
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