Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary

OH, FFS!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jimmy-savile-cops-fear-girls-1521444

Yesterday, the former detective who first exposed Savile as a sex predator confirmed officers were actively probing “at least one” attack at the beast’s Scots home.

Mark Williams-Thomas said: “I know of one offence he committed at the house in Glencoe.

No, you know of one ALLEGATION.

No wonder he didn't last long in the police - he's sounding increasingly like Bennett.

And this is classic witch-hunting:

He said: “What we know about Savile now is that there are few places he went where he did not abuse people.”

Williams-Thomas added: “I don’t have the names yet of the hospitals involved because there are obviously quite a few as Savile regularly moved around the country.

Translation - I know naff-all, but I've got to keep whipping up the hysteria because my audience is getting suspicious.

As it used to be known:

I saw Mistress Goodie walking with the Devil.

Fact is this...i have no doubt it went on....why cos girl groupies threw themselves at celebs and lied about their age... Yes Savile's were younger people and that is sick.

But all these people coming out alleging they were attacked after 20 or so years, saying how traumatised they were.. Well so traumatised they didn't report it then, 5 years later or 10 years later....no, they jump on a bandwagon to try and make money.

Most of these will just fall apart, right from the start of any trial.

I think so too, which makes me very angry, frankly.

Responsible people have worked hard for years to get sex abuse taken seriously, and victims believed. That is all going to be wasted, IMO, because of the likes of MWT, the compo-seekers, and ambulance-chasing lawyers.

Notice how Rochdale and other real, horrible, proven abuse cases have been forgotten about in all this hoo-ha?

Now, I have no doubt that Savile was a dirty old man, but the time to do something was when he was ALIVE. I don't believe all this crap about him being 'too powerful' - he was an old man, and not in the spotlight any more. What was he going to do - blow cigar smoke on them?

The Duncroft lot, who started all this along with MWT, have been shown up to have falsified their stories, which they cooked up on the internet - I gather screencaps of them doing so have been passed to the police.

How is that going to help to protect children in 2013?

I've noticed it's being said quite openly in the media that Jim Davidson was arrested so melodramatically because he spoke out against this witch-hunt; I am afraid this is going to end very badly indeed, and children who need help NOW are going to be worse off than ever.

Oh my!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9783848/Esther-Rantzen-criticises-Savile-Yewtree-investigation.html

Esther Rantzen criticises Savile Yewtree investigation

Esther Rantzen, the founder of Childline, has criticised the police investigation into Jimmy Savile, claiming it is no longer focused on child abuse.

By Martin Evans, Crime Correspondent4:21PM GMT 06 Jan 2013
The 71-year-old TV presenter, who is also a trustee of the NSPCC, said Operation Yewtree was targeting the wrong people and creating confusion among victims.
She said some of the high profile figures who had been questioned by the police were not suspected of having abused children, but were being unfairly tainted by the crimes of Savile.
In an interview with the Sunday Post, Ms Rantzen said: “I personally believe Operation Yewtree needs to change and change quickly.
“Yewtree could make it harder than ever for victims of abuse to ask for help, or gain the justice they deserve.”
Her comments come just days after comedian Jim Davidson was arrested, reportedly on suspicion of sexually assaulting two women in their 20s more than 25-years ago.

Ms Rantzen said: “The latest arrest of comedian Jim Davidson is deeply confusing. Yewtree is about child abuse, isn’t it?
“After all, it was set up as a direct result of the Savile revelations. The NSPCCC is supporting the Yewtree investigations because it is a charity dedicated to protecting children against abuse.
“When Yewtree swoops – and celebrity after celebrity has been targeted by them – we assume they’ve uncovered yet more sexual abuse of children.
“But it turns out that Jim Davidson has not been accused of abusing any children. He is defending himself against historic accusations brought by two women who were in their 20s at the time.
“He is of course innocent unless he is proved guilty, and he vigorously denies the accusations. But the danger is that he’s now tainted, and will be forever.
“And the taint is the false implication that he was somehow involved with the Savile crimes against children.”
She added: “Exactly why have they arrested Freddie Starr, Dave Lee Travis, Max Clifford and others? Nobody has yet been charged – when and if they are, we will be better informed.

But, in the meantime, all these people have bee tainted. And, even if no charges are brought, the damage will have been done, the taint will be there, simply by branding all these arrests with the Yewtree label.
“Operation Yewtree should go back to its original purpose and focus on child abuse. The label should be limited specifically to allegations of the sexual abuse of children by those who committed their crimes alongside Jimmy Savile.
“We must discover whether there was a paedophile ring. We urgently need to know if others over the years also escaped justice.”
She went on: “ “Let’s not label every sexual crime by a celebrity over the past 40 years as Yewtree. All sexual crimes are sickening, whether they are attacks on adult men or women or on children.
“I’m not for one moment implying that complaints should not be taken seriously and investigated. Of course not. Just that unless it’s a crime against a child, don’t label it Yewtree.
“Commander Peter Spindler, split your unit, and find another operational name for accusations that have nothing to do with children nor with Savile.
“And concentrate on the real question. Why did it take so long for the truth about Savile to emerge? Why was he never tried and convicted for his hundreds of crimes?”

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She'd better watch it, or she'll be the next for the dawn raid by the Witchfinder-Generals.

But she is right.

She is, for once - but if you recall, Jim Davidson said something similar and called it a witch-hunt - and then he got arrested at Heathrow, as if he was an Al Queda terrorist or something.

I don't know what the police are playing at, but I don't like it; rather a lot of voices are asking questions now.

http://news.sky.com/story/1034395/stuart-hall-denies-child-sex-abuse-charges

Do not ask me how anything so tenuous can be proven or disproven after decades.

The 'Savile police' report is due out this week, so let's hope there is some sense of what was going on to be gleaned from that.

Though how they can wrap up such a huge investigation so quickly also baffles me; they take longer to look into a disputed parking ticket.

Yoyo demonstrates just how nasty and stupid he is......he thinks that boring, 'proof' stuff doesn't matter, as long as 'mud sticks'.

e: It's a Knockout presenter Stuart Hall charged with child abuse
aiyoyo Today

Not that difficult. There are plenty elements in it. Place of crime, whether victims were known to perpetrator, how etc.
The how, when, where, why etc and all that would have to be investigated ...

What is important is that the offenders names are out in the open and will no longer enjoy squeaky clean reputation if they'd been guilty as accused. Mud sticks. He will plead amnesia no doubt since it was a good few decades ago.
Note how he's another 'titled' gentleman who committed (allegedly) crime against children

Can you imagine what a vicious, dangerous and cruel place the world would be if the likes of them got their way? No need to bother about 'evidence' or anything, just accuse anyone you feel like targetting because 'mud sticks'.

These low-lives demonstrate perfectly why supposedly-sane people were happy to accuse their neighbours of being witches, or hang poor, half-drowned monkeys as 'spies for Napoleon'. Or kick helpless little Dachshunds to death because they were 'German dogs'.

Vile, bottom-feeding half-wits.

I have no idea whether or not Hall is guilty; that's for a court to decide once they have heard evidence from both sides.

It's not for an internet lynch mob to decide the guilt or innocence of ANYONE.

This is so awful. And The Police are not going to come out of this at all well. But then they generally don't. They lost the plot when they started trying to take down your average middle class person because they can't beat the Under Classes. And I do have some experience of this.

Note how he's another 'titled' gentleman who committed (allegedly) crime against children

No, rather note the envy and jealousy against someone who has made something of his life and got a gong in the process - whatever else he may have been up to - allegedly. Perhaps these addled-brained morons should try an honest' days graft for a change. And crimes against children are not the sole prerogative of titled people, pervs come in all shapes and sizes and from all backgrounds. LL

Yaseen's mother is one very nasty woman. You have to go some to beat a child to death.
And his father wasn't much cop either. Let alone his grandmother.

Look who's squirming and lying:

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Those people saying #Savile victims are just after money this is just not the case & looks to undermine the whole issue.

Who's he kidding? Is he trying to pretend he doesn't know that the compo-seekers have had the money that was earmarked for charities frozen, and having decided that £4 million+ isn't enough, have now decided that there must be more hidden away?

Oh, it gets better...

Cinz ‏@c0nnie5
@mwilliamsthomas it is an issue. i was a child who spent many times alone wi #Savile I av a right 2 b suspicious, always said anyone can lie

Heresy!

BTW, I hope the 'Savile police' eventually turn their attentions to MWT himself, as so often happens in witch-hunts.

He doesn't seem to have the slightest bit of interest in, or concern about, child abuse, unless it involves sex. Preferably with celebrities. It's a very peculiar blind spot - almost Bennettish.

And it does the victims, many of whom are murdered, of non-sexual abuse no favours whatsoever.

This is Yaseen Ege:



He was beaten to death, and his little body burned, by his vile mother.

But not a word from MWT or any of the other witch-hunters about that - clearly not as exciting as dawn raids on octogenarians.

Mark Williams Thomas sounds as though he is finding it all a bit stressful. Is he on a percentage?
Don't worry, he is tying himself in knots as all of his ilk do.

JuliaM ‏@AmbushPredator
Idiot thinks this is a GOOD thing.. > RT @mwilliamsthomas: As a direct result of Savile case police are arresting people for allegations

9h Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@AmbushPredator So you don't want people investigated for child abuse when allegations are made against them?

I really, really pray that someone he crossed when he was in the police makes an allegation against him, and then let's see how he feels about witch-hunts.

https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
2 of 2 Must not forget 'Savile' became untouchable & therefore positive 2 c that all types of people will be investigated - whoever they r

Anna Raccoon ‏@annaraccoon2010
@neilwallis1 @mwilliamsthomas 'Untouchable' - but was investigated in 2007! Are you accusing police or CPS of corruption for no charges?

I see MWT stumbling into disaster......

Oh dear, he's getting a pasting and trying to ignore it:

JuliaM ‏@AmbushPredator
@mwilliamsthomas I don't want the police wasting time on allegations that 70s stars pinched the bums of 20 year old starlets, no...

10h JuliaM ‏@AmbushPredator
@mwilliamsthomas ...and I certainly don't want to see people profiting from it. False allegations ruin lives. Ask John Leslie.

Very telling - MWT hasn't answered a single one of his critics. Wheels falling off the bandwagon, are they?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4735810/Jim-Davidson-denies-claims-he-sexually-molested-two-women.html

“There was one occasion during a pantomime when a really beautiful dancer got completely rat-a**** during a cast night out. She was very, very drunk and I didn’t want her to go home in a cab on her own late at night in that state.
“I gave up my bed in my hotel suite and stayed the night on the floor of the living room.
“I never laid a finger on her even though she was completely comatose and wouldn’t have had a clue what was going on.
“That’s what kind of bloke I am — I’m a gentleman.”




Yes, of course you are.

Never mind, the Savile report is due tomorrow, so hopefully it will shed some kind of light on this, and sift fact from fiction.

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Op Yewtree #JimmySavile police report will be released tmrow at briefing (10am). I will be tweeting report highlights from the briefing

How thrilling! Excuse me if I wait to see for myself what the REAL police have to say, instead of being fed cherry-picked highlights by someone with their own agenda.

Oh - will MWT start crying and have a tanty if he doesn't hear his own name mentioned sufficiently?

bb1 wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Op Yewtree #JimmySavile police report will be released tmrow at briefing (10am). I will be tweeting report highlights from the briefing

How thrilling! Excuse me if I wait to see for myself what the REAL police have to say, instead of being fed cherry-picked highlights by someone with their own agenda.

Oh - will MWT start crying and have a tanty if he doesn't hear his own name mentioned sufficiently?

It is going to be a mish mash of innuendo and obfuscation. But no one will really care. They have No Proof. That's it, really.

What I would like to see is some attempt to sort it all out logically, maybe...

Allegation A: Probable, but would have been unproveable in court.

Allegation B: Would have been proveable in court.

Allegation C: Total nonsense.

That sort of thing.

However, I suspect you are right, we are going to get gloop. With lots of meaningless buzzwords thrown in, like 'empowerment', etc. And under the gloop, hard FACTS will be in as short supply as they are now.

I hope I'm wrong, but I simply cannot see how the police could have investigated anything properly in such a short space of time.

Bonny, there is no way in which any of these allegations can be proven. Whether or not they happened is beside the point. Mind you, a grope was always going to be difficult to prove anyway. "I thought he was groping me because I thought he was." But this sort of stuff is dealt with by Tribunals these days, and generally requires a bit more than just Thought.
I totally refuse to make excuses for Jimmy Savile, or any of the rest of them. Let's see some faces in Court. And No, anonymity will not do.

Brunt's speculating already - despite his stunning record for getting things wrong:


http://news.sky.com/story/1036443/jimmy-savile-abused-dying-hospice-patients

This bit is very telling:

In the 10-week inquiry launched in October, after a TV documentary exposed Savile as predatory and prolific paedophile, 450 people claimed they were his victims.

Detectives had already revealed that they have formally recorded 31 rape allegations and a total of 199 crimes, mostly of sex abuse, across 17 police force areas.

And all of those have been fully investigated in ten weeks? I don't believe that for one minute.

IMO, this remark is beneath contempt:

Peter Saunders, of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said: "Savile is one of the worst offenders in history.

"I'd put him alongside killers such ad Fred West, Harold Shipman and the Moors Murderers, because he killed his victims' spirit and soul.

Really? And that is so, so much worse than being tortured to death and buried on Saddleworth Moor?

What an insult to the Moors victims, and all the others!

Savile's alleged victims all seem to have recovered sufficiently to beat a path to compo lawyers, don't they?

Ah well, whatever happens, the lawyers will win.

And none of this will do one damned thing to protect a single child in the UK right now, in 2013.