SYRIA: Nerve Gas Attack

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Weapons inspectors investigating an alleged chemical attack in Damascus have been shot at by snipers, the UN has said.

A UN vehicle is understood to have come under fire as the team visited a suburb of the city where hundreds of people were allegedly killed.

The alleged shooting came after two mortar bombs landed close to the hotel where the inspectors are staying.

Mr Assad's regime said the team's visit to Zamalka and Ein Tarma districts would prove claims that chemical weapons were used against civilians, including children, were "lies".

The opposition claimed 1,300 people were killed, while Doctors Without Borders said 355 people died in hospital from "neurotoxic" symptoms.

While no deaths are acceptable, I think I will believe DWB rather than the cannibals.

I know it's hard to tell just who snipers actually are, but as this has happened in a rebel-held area, it does rather suggest that it's the rebels who have opened fire.

In recent days, Downing Street has been talking with extraordinary freedom about launching missile strikes.
I hope President Obama sustains his opposition to military intervention in the absence of a UN Security Council resolution in support, which is wildly unlikely to happen
More than a few soldiers see this sort of talk as a reflection of the almost childlike immaturity of some of those around David Cameron.


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That's worth reading; thankfully, the UK military seem to have more sense than Cameron and Hague. And now Blair's joined in with the sabre-rattling, which says everything that's needed.

Mr Blair, who took Britain to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, said this morning that it is 'time we took sides'.

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Why? They're all horrible and they all hate the West. Why can't we take our OWN side for a change and NOT throw away our money and more importantly our servicemen's lives on a thankless cause?

There are enormous amounts of money to be made in this......... that is why.        

Dear God, no.........


Obama Planning Two-Day 'Limited' Cruise Missile Attack on Syrian Regime

Syrian men evacuate a victim following an air strike by regime forces in the northern city of Aleppo on Aug. 26.
Tuesday, 27 Aug 2013 12:25 PM


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Western powers could attack Syria within days, envoys from the United States and its allies told rebels fighting President Bashar al-Assad, sources who attended the meeting told Reuters on Tuesday.

U.S. forces in the region are "ready to go", Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said, as Washington and its European and Middle Eastern partners honed plans to punish Assad for a major poison gas attack last week that killed hundreds of civilians.

Several sources who attended a meeting in Istanbul on Monday between Syrian opposition leaders and diplomats from Washington and other governments told Reuters that the rebels were told to expect military action and to get ready to negotiate a peace.

"The opposition was told in clear terms that action to deter further use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime could come as early as in the next few days, and that they should still prepare for peace talks at Geneva," one of the sources said.

Ahmad Jarba, president of the Syrian National Coalition, met envoys from 11 states in the Friends of Syria group, including Robert Ford, the U.S. ambassador to Syria, at an Istanbul hotel.

United Nations chemical weapons investigators, who finally crossed the frontline to take samples on Monday, put off a second trip to rebel-held suburbs of Damascus. But Washington said it already held Assad responsible for a "moral obscenity" and President Barack Obama would hold him to account for it.

Facing Russian and Chinese disapproval that will complicate hopes for a united front backed by international law, and keen to win over wary voters at home, Western leaders seem in no rush to pull the trigger. British Prime Minister David Cameron called parliament back from recess for a session on Syria on Thursday.
U.N. experts trying to establish what killed hundreds of civilians in rebel-held suburbs of Damascus last Wednesday were finally able to cross the frontline on Monday to see survivors - despite being shot at in government-held territory. But they put off a second visit until Wednesday.

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However, U.S. officials said President Barack Obama already had little doubt Assad's forces were to blame. Turkey, Syria's neighbour and part of the U.S.-led NATO military pact, called it a "crime against humanity" that demanded international reaction.

The Syrian government, which denies using gas, said it would press on with its offensive against rebels around the capital. Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem said U.S. strikes would help al Qaeda allies but called Western leaders "delusional" if they hoped to aid the rebels to create a balance of power in Syria.

In Britain, whose forces have supported the U.S. military in a succession of wars, Cameron called for an appropriate level of retribution for using chemical weapons.

"Our forces are making contingency plans," a spokesman for Cameron told reporters. London and its allies would make a "proportionate response" to the "utterly abhorrent" attack.

Top generals from the United States and European and Middle Eastern allies met in Jordan for what could be a council of war.

GASSING "UNDENIABLE, INEXCUSABLE"

On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said: "President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people ... What we saw in Syria last week should shock the conscience of the world.

"The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. By any standard, it is inexcusable.

"And despite the excuses and equivocations that some have manufactured, it is undeniable."

How such an intervention, likely to be limited to some form of air strike, would affect the course of Syria's civil war is far from clear. Obama, Cameron and French President Francois Hollande face tough questions on how far they want to use force to achieve a long-stated common goal of forcing Assad from power.

Turmoil in Egypt, whose 2011 uprising inspired Syrians to rebel, has underlined the unpredictability of revolutions. And the presence of Islamist militants, including allies of al Qaeda in the Syrian rebel ranks, has given Western leaders pause. They have held back so far from helping Assad's opponents to victory.

Russia, a major arms supplier to Assad, has said rebels may have released the gas and warned against attacking Syria. Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov criticised Washington for cancelling bilateral talks on Syria that were set for Wednesday.

"Working out the political parameters for a resolution in Syria would be exceptionally useful now, when the threat of force hangs over this country," Gatilov wrote on Twitter.

REGIONAL CONFLICT

The Syrian conflict has split the Middle East along sectarian lines. Shi'ite Muslim Iran has supported Assad and his Alawite minority against mainly Sunni rebels, some of them Islamists, who have backing from Gulf Arab states.

In Tehran, a foreign ministry spokesman said: "We want to strongly warn against any military attack in Syria. There will definitely be perilous consequences for the region.

"These complications and consequences will not be restricted to Syria. It will engulf the whole region."

Syrian foreign minister Moualem, who insisted the government was trying to help the U.N. inspection team, told a news conference in Damascus that Syria would hit back if attacked.

"We have means of defending ourselves, and we will surprise them with these if necessary," he said. "If we face aggression, we will defend ourselves. We will not hesitate to use any means available. But I will not specify what those would be."

Assad's forces made little or no response to three attacks by Israeli aircraft earlier this year which Israeli officials said disrupted arms flowing from Iran to Lebanon's Hezbollah.

China, which has joined Moscow in vetoing measures against Assad in the U.N. Security Council, is also sceptical of Western readiness to use force to interfere with what it sees as the internal affairs of other countries. Beijing's official news agency ran a commentary on Tuesday recalling the United States invaded Iraq in 2003 on the grounds that it possessed banned weapons - which were never found.

"The recent flurry of consultations between Washington and its allies indicates that they have put the arrow on the bowstring and would shoot even without a U.N. mandate," the Xinhua agency said. "That would be irresponsible and dangerous."

DAMASCENES ANXIOUS

The continued presence of United Nations experts in Damascus may be a factor holding back international military action.

A U.N. statement said the investigators had put off a second visit to the affected areas until Wednesday to prepare better.

Some residents of the capital are getting anxious.

"I've always been a supporter of foreign intervention but now that it seems like a reality, I've been worrying that my family could be hurt or killed because they live near a military installation," said one woman, Zaina, who opposes Assad.

"I'm afraid of a military strike now."

But another woman who supports the president but did not want her name published said she refused to let herself worry:

"Bombing, kidnapping, killing - we face it every day already," she told Reuters.

"If it brings an end to this faster, frankly I'd welcome it. But honestly I don't really believe the Americans will do it."

The Washington Post cited senior U.S. officials as saying Obama is weighing a military strike that would be of limited scope and duration, while keeping the United States out of deeper involvement in the civil war.

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Such an attack would probably last no more than two days and see cruise missiles launched from ships - or, possibly, long-range aircraft - striking military targets not directly related to Syria's chemical weapons arsenal, the newspaper said.

Such a move was, it said, dependent on three factors: completion of an intelligence report assessing the Syrian government's culpability in the chemical attack, consultation with allies and the U.S. Congress, and determination of a justification under international law. U.S. warships armed with cruise missiles are already positioned in the Mediterranean.

Opposition activists have said at least 500 people and possibly twice that many were killed when rockets laden with poison, possibly the nerve gas sarin or something similar, landed in areas around Damascus where rebels are holding out in the face of heavy bombardments by government forces.

If confirmed, it would be the worst chemical weapons attack since Saddam Hussein gassed thousands of Iraqi Kurds in 1988.

In Israel, citizens have been queuing up for gas masks in case Assad responds to a Western attack by firing on Israel, as Iraq's Saddam did in 1991.

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Syria: Russia evacuates citizens ahead of military strikes in the 'next few days'

Russia has begun to evacuate its citizens from Syria, as its deputy prime minister stated that the West was acting in the Islamic world like "a monkey with a grenade".

The rest of the story is in the link..........

Cameron and Hague's warmongering is disgusting me - and many others, Lily. It's beyond insane to throw petrol on this particular fire. And what for? To support 'rebels' backed by Al Quaeda - and cannibals.

Going to open fire on Syria, are they? And what are they going to do when Syria fires back? More lives lost for damn-all.

The UK is in enough of a mess as it is without this. If Russia wants to bring pressure to bear on the UK, all it has to do is shut off the gas pipeline for a couple of days, as the bl**dy government has left us without the means to generate sufficient power to keep the lights and heat on.

Cameron was put into power by a minority of the electorate, and virtually none in Scotland. So just who is the warmongering dictator here?

It wants me to pay to read it, unfortunately, Lily. But a monkey with a hand grenade is a perfect description.

Bonny, a very apt description too.

I am stunned, worried and very angry about all of this. Silly boys playing with their very big toys for what?    

You've only got to read round the media comments, etc., to see that no-one wants this, no-one believes Cameron and Hague - and now Blair.

Bunch of madmen - and the public can see it.  

Same in the US. The problem is that politicians no longer seem to care what the public wants. (The same public that pays them).

In fact, many seem to have contempt for them.

It's all about making themselves as rich as possible.......

That'll be The UKIP on it's way in. And serves them bloody well right. They've all gone mad. And endorsed Blair's previous cock up.

He's 50 million GBP richer too.....  

Think you're right, Sabot, down south will go UKIP, and we'll vote to get away from these barstewards next year.

Cameron has NO right to do this, he has no mandate from the electorate, no mandate from the UN, nothing. How dare he use our troops in whatever game he's playing! Syria is no threat to the UK, and it's a civil war. In which Cameron has decided to back the terrorists and cannibals who hate the west and everything it stands for.

Pity Her Maj can't step in and have him arrested for treason. His head could adorn the London Eye.

The ego can be such a monstrous thing.

And weak leaders with huge egos are a recipe for disaster, the past has demonstrated that many times.

I hope this isn't Cameron's way of showing what a tough guy he is after those disastrous beach photos last week.

http://news.sky.com/story/1133912/pro-assad-hackers-target-us-websites

Pro-Assad Hackers Target US Websites
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Pro-Assad regime hackers claim to have targeted leading US media websites, shutting down the New York Times for 30 minutes.

More follows...

Wonder if they'd like to do anything about #mccann?

Oh dear......hope not, Bonny.

The wrong type of action will only turn around and bite people on their rear ends. Calm and cool minds are what is needed not a rash call to arms by hot headed egoists.

http://news.sky.com/story/1133944/syria-crisis-cameron-holds-war-talks

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In talks by telephone last night with US President Barack Obama, the two leaders agreed that "all the information available confirmed a chemical weapons attack had taken place", said a Downing Street spokeperson.


The pair of them agreeing with each other sound like a couple of McCann-hating trolls, not responsible world leaders.

I hope Obama is impeached when this ends in disaster, as it will, and Cameron is charged with war crimes and treason.

Have we got an army left anymore? Or will they be sending the Boy Scouts?

Salvation Army might be a better bet, Sabot.

Effing Cameron has slashed the defence budget to such a degree Britain would be hard pushed to defend itself, never mind anyone else.

But he thinks it's a brilliant idea to spend a million a shot to drop bombs on Syrians - and you can bet your bottom dollar he is going to kill civilians, he's too incompetent to do anything else.

What he proposes to do if the Argies move on the Falklands while the remains of our armed forces are dropping bombs on people in the Middle East, I do not know.

I have never, ever disliked a UK PM as much as I do that man - have done since he slithered into office. Please note, he didn't even win a majority.

There is only ONE tory MP in the whole of Scotland - as far as we're concerned, he is every bit as much a dictator as Assad. I really could see him ending up as the first British pm to end up dangling from a lamppost the way he's going.

http://news.sky.com/story/1134206/syria-britain-helped-rebels-use-chemicals

Cameron and co had better pray there is no truth in that; there have been a lot of stories circulating about special forces having been in Syria to support the 'rebels', for some unknown reason, for a while.

It might help to explain his disgusting enthusiasm for starting a war, though.

bb1 wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1134206/syria-britain-helped-rebels-use-chemicals

Cameron and co had better pray there is no truth in that; there have been a lot of stories circulating about special forces having been in Syria to support the 'rebels', for some unknown reason, for a while.

It might help to explain his disgusting enthusiasm for starting a war, though.

Please God, that isn't true. But it won't do any good for Cameron to say he didn't know, if it is.
But after Blair's debacle anything is possible. Bunch of lying toads

bb1 wrote:http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/First-Minister-Statement-on-Syria-376.aspx

First Minister Statement on Syria
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Scotland First Minister
As the UK Government prepares to put a resolution to the UN Security Council on "authorising necessary measures to protect civilians" in Syria later today, First Minister Alex Salmond said:

“The Scottish Government condemns unreservedly the actions of the Assad regime over recent months and years. In particular, we condemn and deplore any use of chemical weapons by any party as a crime against humanity. If the findings of UN inspectors do point to this appalling attack having been perpetrated by the Syrian regime, Assad and those responsible should face the full accountability of the International Criminal Court.

“Any resort to military action should always be approached carefully, on an evidential base, and within a clear legal framework – and only after full consideration of the aims, objectives and consequences. At this stage, we consider that these criteria have not been met and therefore that the case for military action in Syria – or the UK’s participation in it - has not yet been made.

“The Scottish Government believes that the UN inspectors should be given the time and the full support of the international community to complete their investigations.”

An excellent Statement, Bonny. And more or less my feelings on the subject.

But if it is absolutely proven that The Assad Regime did this, then I do believe that something will have to be done. Just not sure what.

They all seem to get f**cking carried away when they get together to discuss War.. Bloody well prove it first.