Times - clues hidden for five years, (according to convicted conman)

Kev Smith
I think given what has come to light with this ex British Agent the judge in the libel case will have no choice but to find in GA's favour as its clear that other factors have damaged the search for Maddie and nothing to do with GA

As soon as anyone has worked out how nonsense from a bloke who's been wearing an orange jumpsuit for the last few years helps Gonc, do let me know. 

From the Telegraph, about a week ago...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10391348/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

Instead, detectives are now focusing their efforts on a second man seen carrying a child towards the beach just minutes before Kate McCann went to check on Madeleine. An Irishman, Martin Smith, and his wife reported seeing him at the time. Their e-fits, which have only now been released, were originally produced by a private detective agency which was hired by the McCanns in 2008 when they became dissatisfied with the Portuguese police inquiry.
At the time, though, it was not published, partly because Portuguese detectives thought the other theory more viable, and partly because Mr Smith himself said he thought the man he had seen looked like Gerry McCann, whom several other witnesses had already said had been at the restaurant table at that point.

Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

Oh dear, I do hope the Times hasn't been taken for a ride by a conman.

Again.  

bb1 wrote:Actually, there's a very obvious reason why one of the 'Oakely investigators' was 'stunned' when he saw Crimewatch.

He's been in the nick for the last few years and missed the Smith sighting being publicised by the McCanns in the past.

Ding ding ding.  

Now it's in the Star, we should hear what it's REALLY about.

Incidentally, I do hope the McCann-haters aren't suddenly going to decide the Star is the greatest paper in the world for apparently 'getting the word to the masses', to use one of their pet cliches.

There are a couple of outright falsehoods in that ST piece which is apparently being quoted in the Star; might have been wiser to wait a while until the WHOLE story becomes clear, instead of swallowing down anything they imagine hurts the McCann family in a frenzy of tick-tocking.

Johnny Watergate ‏@JohnnyWatergate 2h
@Jayelles1 Anti #McCann ignore the fact @metpoliceuk knew about the origin of the efits a long time ago - and say #McCann are not suspects.

Quite; the efits were NOT suppressed. If Exton thinks not being able to sell half-assed gossip to tabloids because he signed a confidentiality clause is 'suppressing evidence' then he's as big a fantasist as his ex-partner Halligen.

This is like going back to 2007 when every day brought a new, ridiculous story with no basis in reality; most of us know better than to fall for it all over again.

Especially when it's coming from the likes of Halligen.

Quite; the efits were NOT suppressed. If Exton thinks not being able to sell half-assed gossip to tabloids because he signed a confidentiality clause is 'suppressing evidence' then he's as big a fantasist as his ex-partner Halligen.

He must have been upset that that particular cash cow had ended.

Do you think someone who knows they have done wrong is going to tell the truth or invent some fantasy to cover it? He could hardly say that he had a confidentiality agreement could he?

I'm sorry for the McCanns having to put up with this sh*te right now, Lily, though in the great scheme of things, it possibly won't be all that important to them? It's not as if it matters a XXXX to the Yard or Porto PJ, after all.

The haters who have been working themselves into a frenzy all day seem to have failed to notice that this news story isn't matched by what is happening in the real world. They don't even seem capable of looking at the source of these allegations, which doesn't say much for their detecting powers.

I do know one thing - it's never a good idea to fall for tales of woe from convicted fraudsters and fantasists. Especially when said tales of woe don't actually make much sense or resemble reality.

A perfect example of what I mean, from inJustice:

icabodcrane


Re: The Sunday Times - Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years!

« Reply #442 on: Today at 11:11:39 PM »
Quote from: davel on Today at 10:58:57 PM
not sure if you have noticed but its sunday afternoon
another little question for you
How long did it take to issue proceedings against amaral.... and against bennett

Nonsense

This is a very serious charge  ...   the man who's E fit the McCanns are accused of 'burying'   could be the man who took Madeleine afterall  

They have been accused in a broad sheet newspaper of  hiding information from the police   ...  information which was crucial to the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance

If an  immediate response and rebuttal was ever called for,  this is it


Is there something wrong with them? THE POLICE HAVE HAD ALL THIS INFORMATION FOR YEARS.

Ah well, one of the many things that aren't our problem. The now traditional Tears before bedtime should be good, though.

They don't even seem capable of looking at the source of these allegations, which doesn't say much for their detecting powers.

Quite, Bonny. Farcical isn't it?

What's truth got to do with it when that article is giving them what they want to hear?

Of course none of it makes any sense, coming from a deported convicted fraudster. Only an idiot would believe one of those. You can just imagine how long it took to come up with that load of codswallop.  

Of course the police will be well aware of this story and if it doesn't bother them, why should it bother any of us? Only forkers et al are gullible enough to lap it up.

Star:

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/347672/Maddie-Crimewatch-pictures-kept-secret-for-five-years

A repeat of the Times story; Jerry Lawton has had the sense not to repeat all this as fact, but used phrases like, it is claimed.

Despite the lurid cover, it's not one of the lead stories on the home page at present, so maybe the Star has smelled a very large rat.

Can the forkers cease cackling long enough to explain one or two inconsistences from the supposed Oakley employee?

Not least the fact that the Yard and PJ both had that information years ago. Perhaps the outraged one didn't know that because he was otherwise detained?

Even more nonsensical rehash of the Times:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478087/Why-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-E-fits-kept-secret-5-years.html

So much for the media listening to the Yard's plea to behave. They haven't printed so much crap since 2007.

clare stewart ‏@fairydustclare
@alastairsloan @KTHopkins pity that same free speech wasn`t given to the private detectives 5 years ago! #McCann

Why aren't the forkers asking themselves why Exton didn't reveal all this years ago - if his Secret Things were all that damning, then the lawyers would just have had to huff and puff.


Why didn't Halligen reveal all this years ago, instead choosing to go to jail, here and in the States, in silent martyrdom, instead of making a deal?

The forkers do know that the Source of all this has just been deported from the States back to Ireland, after doing time for conning and defrauding just about everyone who crossed his path?

And they're swallowing this down like mother's milk instead of asking questions.

Reminder for the terminally-stupid:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10391348/Madeleine-McCann-is-there-hope-at-last.html

At the time, though, it was not published, partly because Portuguese detectives thought the other theory more viable, and partly because Mr Smith himself said he thought the man he had seen looked like Gerry McCann, whom several other witnesses had already said had been at the restaurant table at that point.

Now the later sighting is being taken seriously. While DCI Redwood stressed that it could be a yet another innocent holidaymaker carrying his child, it is the key public line of inquiry, if only because of the absence of anything else. Yet it also means that what could be the key e-fit lay under wraps for several years. "It was passed to the Portuguese police at the time and for whatever reason they decided to nothing whatsoever with it," said one source close to the McCann investigation. "It was then handed to the Met two years ago, and they have now deemed it worthy of publication, but frankly it should have been out there a long time ago."

Argue about what the police should have done about it by all means, but as two police forces had the efit years ago, doesn't that make a nonsense of the whole thing?

The REAL police aren't bothered by this Halligen-inspired storm in a teacup - probably because they know the whole story and aren't so easily taken in by conmen.

Another reminder of what Halligen and co got up to before they were sacked:

Madeleine McCann investigator didn't listen to ANY tip-offs given to hotline - and squandered £500,000
By DANIEL BOFFEY IN WASHINGTON
UPDATED: 12:06, 29 August 2010

A private eye whose company was paid £500,000 from a public fund to find Madeleine McCann squandered the money on a series of bizarre schemes that had no chance of locating the missing child.
Kevin Halligen, who claimed to have experience in the British secret services, was arrested last week in an Oxford hotel after an FBI manhunt over an unrelated £1.3million fraud case in America.
His investigations company, Oakley International, was taken on in March last year by the Find Madeleine Fund and her parents Kate and Gerry McCann.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html#ixzz2j0pGDdTS
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And what have the hounders to say about this? Why, that stupid tw@t russia-something or other thinks Pedro's me..

Pedro, the alter ego of bb1

Really, anyone as fkcing stupid and delusional as that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a keyboard - andthey wonder why we have nothing but utter, bottomless contempt.

It's no wonder creatures as thick as that are all swallowing down bullsh*t from a conman.

Look at them displaying their ignorance, stupidity and gullibility. Never mind facts - it hurts the McCanns and that's all that matters to us. Not Madeleine McCann, heavens no.

If they cared about her, they wouldn't all be in such fits of frantic, one-handed typing on the say-so of Halligen the jailbird.

And those two journos on the Times should hang their heads in shame for starting this without doing the most basic fact-checking. Let's hope they are hit with another writ for their latest inventions.

The Met asked the media to behave responsibly; the press has responded by acting like sharks in a feeding frenzy.

I hope the Times is happy with the knowledge that they are now the toast of the scum of the internet, admired by the low-lives who want a child to be dead, and who take pleasure in spreading lies to hurt that child.

Incidentally, as the Met had those efits done for Crimewatch, how can they be Halligen's?  

Pedro, the alter ego of bb1
       
Sorry Bonny, but you have to laugh at their stupidity. Pathetic Herd Of Dumb Nirrups

Tony, when I see them come out with utter pish like that, it reminds me that they are so stupid, deluded and nasty, their opinion on ANYTHING is utterly worthless.

Every single person on the sites which support Madeleine and her family know half-wits like her couldn't be more wrong if they tried. Then they wonder why we laugh at them.     

Has me wondering how much Henri got paid for that load of Bullsh*t? And did the Times get the reaction they hoped for? I had always thought of the Times' folks as straight shooters, guess I got that wrong too.

The Times is a Murdoch paper, Tony, just like the Sun. That aside, the Times has made some truly epic ball's-ups before. The Hitler Diaries is the most famous:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3636377/Hitler-diaries-scandal-Wed-printed-the-scoop-of-the-century-then-it-turned-to-dust.html

The other was printed 25 years ago today, after the London correspondent of the German news magazine Stern told The Sunday Times that it had acquired 62 handwritten volumes of secret diaries written by Adolf Hitler.
When such a scoop is offered, you don't really want to hear anything that would cast doubt on its veracity.

which led to:

There are things you wish you'd never done. One of mine was to have held up the front page to the newsroom, saying: "Look at that. You'll never see another front page like that as long as you live."


Which no-one ever has, because of course, the 'Hitler Diaries' were total forgeries.

As you know, I've occupied myself picking that article apart - not that hard. Once you start tugging at a few strands, the whole thing unravels.

Now, given the legal bill those two journos have already landed their employers with, you might have thought someone would have done some double checking, but apparently no-one bothered.

It didn't even occur to the ST not to believe ANYTHING from companies run by convicted conmen who have just been released from US jails and kicked out of the States.

Trouble is Bonny, the haters have not done their homework neither and are cavorting around as though have just received manna from heaven.
At the moment they are blind in one eye and can't see with the other. They're also deaf in one ear and can't hear with the other. Unfortunately, that isn't going to change because; they detest the McCanns so much they are prepared to do anything to stop Madeleine being found.

Trouble is Bonny, the haters have not done their homework neither and are cavorting around as though have just received manna from heaven.

That is exactly it, Tony, and as we all know, there's no point in reasoning with them when they're like this

Incidentally, why aren't the McCann-haters mentioning the fact that today's Times has confirmed that the Yard and PJ had these efits for years before now?

That spoil their feeding frenzy, does it? Maybe suggest they've fallen for lies yet again? They seem to be too dumb to grasp that the efits wouldn't be in the police files because they were done AFTER the files were released.

Paiva probably threw them in the NOT RELEVANT box.