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My friends, this was taken from The Daily Star newspaper:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348155/-Maddie-snatcher-died-in-tractor-accident-four-years-ago-shock-new-claims-from-Portugal
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348155/-Maddie-snatcher-died-in-tractor-accident-four-years-ago-shock-new-claims-from-Portugal
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here it is the proof (again) that the news about the deceased OC employee is speculation of the press:
"A spokesman for the Policia Judiciaria said: "A secrecy order placed on the reopened case, and our professional secrecy, prevents us from making any comment on Correio da Manha's reports."
"A spokesman for the Policia Judiciaria said: "A secrecy order placed on the reopened case, and our professional secrecy, prevents us from making any comment on Correio da Manha's reports."
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I don't know who in Portugal leaked this story, but I really don't think it was the police, Pedro. It could have been the family involved, their neighbours, anyone.
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How very interesting! Of the email to the Royals, Gonc fanatic, amateur database hacker and former PJ employee FSoares says:
No, the person who wrote the email seems to be a woman, but nothing mentioned about the suspect's gender.
Curiouser and curiouser.
And the story is still getting lurid headlines in CdM:
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/perfil-leva-judiciaria-ate-raptor-de-maddie
Research: Judicial Police looking English girl's corpse
Judicial Profile takes up raptor Maddie
Former employee of the Ocean Club has always had traces of aggression. CM tells him all about the research.
So much for yesterday's tales about grieving widows sueing CdM. Looks like that was, as usual, bullsh*t.
No, the person who wrote the email seems to be a woman, but nothing mentioned about the suspect's gender.
Curiouser and curiouser.
And the story is still getting lurid headlines in CdM:
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/perfil-leva-judiciaria-ate-raptor-de-maddie
Research: Judicial Police looking English girl's corpse
Judicial Profile takes up raptor Maddie
Former employee of the Ocean Club has always had traces of aggression. CM tells him all about the research.
So much for yesterday's tales about grieving widows sueing CdM. Looks like that was, as usual, bullsh*t.
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Star's version of events:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal
Madeleine McCann suspect was a known criminal
THE sacked holiday complex worker suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann had a criminal record.
By Jerry Lawton/Published 1st November 2013
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal
Madeleine McCann suspect was a known criminal
THE sacked holiday complex worker suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann had a criminal record.
By Jerry Lawton/Published 1st November 2013
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Myths has the full CdM piece:
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200454.html?sid=490cd47808f9fe5781240019216373d8#p200454
Correio da Manhã - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
1 November 2013
Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie
The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.
Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.
The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.
As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.
The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.
The Family admits suing for defamation
The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.
Murat was considered a suspect
The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.
The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".
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Lived in Lagos
The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.
"Unable to defend himself"
The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.
He was in the area
The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime
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Suing the PJ for suspecting a dead bloke? Good luck with that one.
Oh, and so much for Morais' bollox about it being the Yard investigating this guy, after somehow telepathically knowing he'd been sacked from the OC and didn't appear anywhere in the files.
Hope the McCann-haters are expressing their outrage about this?
The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation.
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200454.html?sid=490cd47808f9fe5781240019216373d8#p200454
Correio da Manhã - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
1 November 2013
Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie
The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.
Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca
An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.
The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.
As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.
The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.
The Family admits suing for defamation
The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.
Murat was considered a suspect
The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.
The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".
Details
Lived in Lagos
The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.
"Unable to defend himself"
The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.
He was in the area
The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime
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Suing the PJ for suspecting a dead bloke? Good luck with that one.
Oh, and so much for Morais' bollox about it being the Yard investigating this guy, after somehow telepathically knowing he'd been sacked from the OC and didn't appear anywhere in the files.
Hope the McCann-haters are expressing their outrage about this?
The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation.
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Hope the family of the innocent deceased man in Portugal takes legal action against those who are slandering his name over Madeleine #McCann
Good luck with suing Portimao PJ because they're investigating a dead man in the course of a missing child case. The deceased might be innocent, he might not. No-one knows right now, which is why the PJ are investigating.
Or are the PJ the bad guys now?
Team Gonc must be on their knees praying nothing comes of this rather confused and confusing tales. Because if there is good reason to suspect this man of involvement, Gonc's next residence is liable to be a jail cell.
To protect him from irate Algarvians, if nothing else, as it will be the screw-up to end all screw-ups.
Hope the family of the innocent deceased man in Portugal takes legal action against those who are slandering his name over Madeleine #McCann
Good luck with suing Portimao PJ because they're investigating a dead man in the course of a missing child case. The deceased might be innocent, he might not. No-one knows right now, which is why the PJ are investigating.
Or are the PJ the bad guys now?
Team Gonc must be on their knees praying nothing comes of this rather confused and confusing tales. Because if there is good reason to suspect this man of involvement, Gonc's next residence is liable to be a jail cell.
To protect him from irate Algarvians, if nothing else, as it will be the screw-up to end all screw-ups.
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I´m tired of speculation from Cdm, why the newspaper insists about murder, when there is no evidence of it specially when both police forces are looking for a living child.
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Quote from: Mr Moderator on Today at 02:36:20 PM
Portugal's daily Correio da Manha refusing to name the Cape Verde immigrant suspected of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
They are rightly being very cautious at this stage
Cautious? CdM?
Where have these people been for the last six years?
And I see the Cabrita harpy has now shoved her oar in - surprising she resisted for so long, really:
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200491.html#p200491
She must be longing for the good old days when police documents blew off Gonc's desk, out the window, and into her handbag as she just happened to walk past....
Portugal's daily Correio da Manha refusing to name the Cape Verde immigrant suspected of involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.
They are rightly being very cautious at this stage
Cautious? CdM?
Where have these people been for the last six years?
And I see the Cabrita harpy has now shoved her oar in - surprising she resisted for so long, really:
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200491.html#p200491
She must be longing for the good old days when police documents blew off Gonc's desk, out the window, and into her handbag as she just happened to walk past....
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A police source told weekly Portuguese newspaper 'O Crime
Gonzo the 'police source' is he? What with him sharing a lawyer with O Crime?
Interesting to see Team Gonc desperately trying to spread disinformation, aided and abetted by hatebloggers like Morais and Bullsh*t.
Gonzo the 'police source' is he? What with him sharing a lawyer with O Crime?
Interesting to see Team Gonc desperately trying to spread disinformation, aided and abetted by hatebloggers like Morais and Bullsh*t.
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One of the three reporters that broke the story about the hotel worker in the Portuguese press, has given evidence for the McCanns against Goncalo Amaral in court!!! I wonder how much they have been paying him then???
Numty decides CdM is IN IT.
One of the three reporters that broke the story about the hotel worker in the Portuguese press, has given evidence for the McCanns against Goncalo Amaral in court!!! I wonder how much they have been paying him then???
Numty decides CdM is IN IT.
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No one knows if in fact Scotland Yard picked this up from Cell Phone pings.
Me? I don't care who spotted it. Someone did. And it certainly wasn't Goncalo Amaral, although he should have done.
So this man was in PdL at the time, and he does have a criminal record, and some history of being short of money. So worth looking into.
Do I think he could be culpable? Who knows? But I am not happy with how Portugal is dealing with this.
I suspect that Portugal is hell bent on proving that they are on the ball, and that none of their investigations are anything to do with Scotland Yard. But that could be just Gonc and his team, and possibly nothing to do with the actual investigation. So just another load of spin.
I remain entirely stunned by the perfidy. And I do not believe a word of this latest shite.
Me? I don't care who spotted it. Someone did. And it certainly wasn't Goncalo Amaral, although he should have done.
So this man was in PdL at the time, and he does have a criminal record, and some history of being short of money. So worth looking into.
Do I think he could be culpable? Who knows? But I am not happy with how Portugal is dealing with this.
I suspect that Portugal is hell bent on proving that they are on the ball, and that none of their investigations are anything to do with Scotland Yard. But that could be just Gonc and his team, and possibly nothing to do with the actual investigation. So just another load of spin.
I remain entirely stunned by the perfidy. And I do not believe a word of this latest shite.
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I think it's reasonable to assume that Gonzo is the 'police source' rumour-mongering for O Crime. Similarly, anything from Ms Cabrita can be safely assumed to be nothing but pro-Gonc propaganda, as she has rather a lot invested in the Glorification of Gonzo.
We really know nothing definitely, Sabot and I am not going to blame the PJ for wherever this story came from. A good few people could have gone to CdM with it for a few euros.
We really know nothing definitely, Sabot and I am not going to blame the PJ for wherever this story came from. A good few people could have gone to CdM with it for a few euros.
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I don't actually care, Bonny. But I do think that it is highly unlikely that The PJ are leaking this. Just how stupid would they have to be?
Gonc? Where would he have got the information from? Unless it was The Family. Could they think that by supporting that arsehole that it would in some way lead the investigation back to The McCanns and away from this man?
I mean, come on, his wife didn't know what he was up to or that he might have been a suspect?
Or perhaps Portugal needs a dead suspect who wasn't actually Portuguese.
Gonc? Where would he have got the information from? Unless it was The Family. Could they think that by supporting that arsehole that it would in some way lead the investigation back to The McCanns and away from this man?
I mean, come on, his wife didn't know what he was up to or that he might have been a suspect?
Or perhaps Portugal needs a dead suspect who wasn't actually Portuguese.
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I ask again Joana, why is it that CdeM articles all claim the inquiry into the sacked worker IS PJ and is what got the case reopened? who is telling the truth?
Just for once, CdM - yet again, Morais has been telling porkies.
I ask again Joana, why is it that CdeM articles all claim the inquiry into the sacked worker IS PJ and is what got the case reopened? who is telling the truth?
Just for once, CdM - yet again, Morais has been telling porkies.
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Wonder why the mainstream anti-McCann sites aren't pushing this interview?
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200539.html#p200539
Portuguese reopen the Madeleine McCann case
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SOL - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
Caroline/Montclair is on MM, not-Bennett's and inJustice, so why hasn't this been seen more widely?
I do hope it isn't because it makes Morais look like a complete plonker. Guess the Cabrita woman will be IN IT now as well, along with CdM.
http://stopthemyths.prophpbb.com/post200539.html#p200539
Portuguese reopen the Madeleine McCann case
PostPosted by sal » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:03 pm
SOL - paper edition
(Translated by Montclair)
Caroline/Montclair is on MM, not-Bennett's and inJustice, so why hasn't this been seen more widely?
I do hope it isn't because it makes Morais look like a complete plonker. Guess the Cabrita woman will be IN IT now as well, along with CdM.
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PS - it's obvious that the PJ are now IN IT as well, as it's them who have started this particular investigation, which has led to the case being reopened.
The McCann-haters really have lost the plot if they imagine the PJ and CdM are now part of this vast conspiracy they've invented in their addled brains.
The McCann-haters really have lost the plot if they imagine the PJ and CdM are now part of this vast conspiracy they've invented in their addled brains.
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I have completely lost the plot. I don't know who is doing what, or who said whatever. Excepting that Scotland Yard haven't said anything much at all.
I still think that Portugal is up the creek without a paddle, and that someone is driving The Nasties to even greater heights of vile abuse.
None of this matters. If Madeleine is out there somewhere then she will be found.
I still think that Portugal is up the creek without a paddle, and that someone is driving The Nasties to even greater heights of vile abuse.
None of this matters. If Madeleine is out there somewhere then she will be found.
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What on earth.....?
Good to see the media has heeded police calls for restraint, isn't it?
Good to see the media has heeded police calls for restraint, isn't it?
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Effing bloody hell. Five Euros? As much as that, one might ask. So who paid him that much?
Sorry. This has now gone off into a world of fantasy. And David Cameron needs to do something about The Press.
Sorry. This has now gone off into a world of fantasy. And David Cameron needs to do something about The Press.
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As far as I make out from other reports (not that there is much sense to be found anywhere at present) this suspect was sacked for stealing €5.
Which doesn't really make for a lurid headline, does it?
Which doesn't really make for a lurid headline, does it?
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Is this why the Cabrita article isn't being discussed on the mainstream anti-McCann sites?
In the meantime, the ex-companion will file an injunction to keep the journalists from her residence: "If the police told me that the case was under judicial secrecy, how come the journalists are all at my door and bothering my family?", asks the wife, who up until now has remained silent. "With so many children who are abducted in Portugal, why do the police only care about the English girl?".
Bit off-message, is it?
In the meantime, the ex-companion will file an injunction to keep the journalists from her residence: "If the police told me that the case was under judicial secrecy, how come the journalists are all at my door and bothering my family?", asks the wife, who up until now has remained silent. "With so many children who are abducted in Portugal, why do the police only care about the English girl?".
Bit off-message, is it?
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Oh, I see. He didn't actually sell Madeleine for 5 Euros.
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Well that remark might come in handy later.bb1 wrote:Is this why the Cabrita article isn't being discussed on the mainstream anti-McCann sites?
In the meantime, the ex-companion will file an injunction to keep the journalists from her residence: "If the police told me that the case was under judicial secrecy, how come the journalists are all at my door and bothering my family?", asks the wife, who up until now has remained silent. "With so many children who are abducted in Portugal, why do the police only care about the English girl?".
Bit off-message, is it?
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