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Oh, FFS! Sky-

'Great Depression' Warning For Scottish Voters

I thought we were too wee, too poor, and too stupid to run our own affairs - yet now, if we do, it's going to cause the seas to boil and mountains to fall, not to mention plagues of locusts?

Go and boil your pointy heids. We don't need lectured on ANYTHING by corrupt, incompetent bankers that have ALREADY brought the world to its knees. Indeed, whatever these chancers tell you to do, you'd be generally advised to do the exact opposite.

More than 10,000 people are expected to attend a rally by the Orange Order in support of the Union in Edinburgh - and their cause has been backed by Deutsche Bank.

The Orange Order and Deutsche Bank - perfect companions in fearmongering and intimidation.

That's this bank:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/19/us-deutschebank-warning-idUSBREA0I0HY20140119

euters) - Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) posted a surprise pre-tax loss of 1.15 billion euros for the fourth quarter due to heavy costs for litigation and restructuring, and warned that 2014 would another year of further challenges and reform.

The unexpected loss is likely to compound the problems that have dogged the bank over the past year, especially a lengthening list of lawsuits and regulatory matters, and to redouble pressure on co-chief executives Anshu Jain and Juergen Fitschen to prove their turnaround plan is on track.

Google ' Deutsche Bank scandal' - there's year after year of it.

It's being suggested by the less-biased reporters on Sky that the postal ballots are being counted already, hence the complete panic in unionist ranks.

I've seen a lot of elections and referendums in my life, but I have NEVER seen anything like this before, with such blatant intimidation and interference from vested interests.

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-compares-david-cameron-to-edward-ii-at-bannockburn-1.573755



Nigel Farage has compared David Cameron’s pro-Union campaigning to Edward II’s ill-fated attempt at Bannockburn as he lambasted the Better Together campaign

*chuckle*

One does hope so; the shiltrons are certainly holding firm under the barrage of sh*te, lies and threats that's being hurled at us.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brettarends/2014/09/12/scottish-independence-englands-shameful-secret/

Scottish Independence: England's Shameful Secret
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Back in the 1970s, when the people of Scotland last had a vote on independence, Scottish campaigners accused the English of were stealing their country’s North Sea oil revenues. “England Needs… Scotland’s Oil,” read the campaign billboards. An independent Scotland, they argued, would be far better off and far richer than it would as a small part of a United Kingdom.

The English establishment in Westminster scoffed. The Scottish nationalists were being paranoid, they said. They were being ridiculous. Their estimates of the oil reserves were pure fantasy. Their claims that Scotland was getting short-changed were nonsense.

But guess what? It turns out that the Scottish Nationalists at the time were right. Even more remarkably, it turns out that the English governments at the time knew full well that the Scottish Nationalists were right. They had in their hands a secret report which said so, and backed up the Nationalists’ charges. So they did what any self-respecting government would do. They lied.

In 1974 the English government had received a secret study conducted by economics professor Gavin McCrone. Nearly all that North Sea oil is Scottish, Professor McCrone wrote. The oil reserves were far bigger than most people realized, he said. An independent Scotland would become one of the most prosperous countries in the world, comparable to Switzerland or Norway, he wrote. Its coffers would overflow. The biggest problem the country might face would be dealing with its massive balance of payments surplus.

Meanwhile, of course, the big loser from independence would be England.

The English government suppressed the report. The McCrone Report was hushed up, and didn’t see the light of day until about ten years ago. We only know about it because the Scottish Nationalist Party, using freedom of information laws, forced the English government to reveal it.

Today it’s available online.

And as the Scots gear up for another referendum on independence, it makes devastating reading. All that talk about England and Scotland being “Better Together”? All that talk about the British “family” and the historic union? All that pompous finger-wagging from Englishmen who think of Scotland as a place to shoot grouse? All those pictures of the royal baby?

Take a gander at the secret report that the English establishment hid from the Scots for thirty years.

“The full significance of North Sea oil… remains in large measure disguised from the Scottish public,” Professor McCrone wrote (He cited ineptitude in Westminster rather than malice; as anyone who has ever lived in England knows, the charge is all too believable). Analysis by Parliament’s Public Accounts Committee, he added, gave “authoritative support” for the Scottish nationalists’ charge that the government had “giv[en] Scottish oil away to the international companies ridiculously cheap.”

It is worth remembering what was going on in the rest of England at the time. The country was plunged into economic and political crisis. These included a “three day week” and, in 1976, the humiliation of having to seek a bailout from the International Monetary Fund. Some English at the time genuinely feared a constitutional crisis.

In the circumstances the country needed every penny it could get to survive. North Sea oil was about the only bright spot in the economy. They were not going to give it up.

Realpolitik is nothing new. The English government was doing its job – protecting the interests of the English. And this is, of course, old history. Much of the oil has now been given away. An independent Scotland would not get the windfall it would have received decades ago. But the story nonetheless remains a shameful one – and one that the pro-union forces would rather not talk about as the Scots prepare, once again, to go to the polls to consider independence.

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It's been well-noticed that the unionists keep repeating the 'North Sea oil is running out' mantra. No, it isn't, actually, but more importantly, why do they NEVER mention the oil in other parts of Scottish waters?

No mention of the Claire field? Or the fields under the Clyde, which haven't been utilized so far because of the WMD parked in the backyard of our major cities.

The reason the Clyde has been off-limits is that nothing is allowed to block the passage of frigging Trident.

The real reason all these merchants bankers and similiar are in a panic is that they've used OUR assets to back THEIR debts. Debts run up on vanity projects like high speed trains, and illegal wars so Westminster can pretend it still has an empire.

Incidentally, some of us are old enough to remember that, in the 1979 referendum, YES won; unfortunately, Westminster rigged the vote so non-voters and dead people were counted as NO.

No-one here will ever forget the year dead people voted.

Many promises of Shiny Things and Jam Tomorrow were made in the run-up. Then along came Thatcher. No shiny things materialised,  just the ruin of Scottish industry and lives, the Poll Tax and misery, while the Tories p*ssed the oil money up against the wall.

For fun:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-siege-of-balamory?bffbuk#4eq9bpm

How assorted 'news'papers will report a YES victory, sample-



Never mind Scotland, who wouldn't cheer on Her Maj if she thumped Cameron just for being Cameron? Maybe set a corgi or two on the bounder while she's at it?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/13/opinion/brian-cox-yes-to-scottish-independence/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Brian Cox: Scottish 'Yes' vote will see democracy reborn
By Brian Cox, actor and supporter of Scottish independence, Special to CNN
September 13, 2014 -- Updated 0618 GMT (1418 HKT)



Brian Cox speaks at the launch of the "Yes" campaign for Scottish independence in 2012

Editor's note: Brian Cox is an Emmy Award-winning actor known for his work with the Royal Shakespeare Company and in Hollywood movies including Manhunter, Braveheart and The Bourne Identity. He is a patron of the Scottish Youth Theatre, and rector of Dundee University. He supports the Yes Scotland campaign, but is not permitted to vote in the referendum as he lives in the U.S. The views in this commentary are solely his.

(CNN) -- As we approach the referendum, what is being proven time and time again is that the people of Scotland are showing a political will that has been sadly lacking in these islands for the last generation or so.
Whatever the vote and whatever the outcome on September 18, the victory will be the revival of social democracy.
Hopefully -- from my point of view, and that of the Scottish people -- the vote will be a resounding "Yes."
A "Yes" which reinforces the will of the Scottish people to supersede the political apathy of the last twenty years or so.
In the debate between "Yes" and "No," there clearly has arisen confusion between Nationalism and Independence. Nationalist sentiment can obfuscate the point of Independence.

This vote is not about nationalism, it is about social democracy, and for myself and the people of Scotland, social democracy is at the root of our desire for Independence.
An independent state of Scotland will reinforce its own laws, embrace new forms of political thinking, new creeds, new political parties, and new positions of argument.
Independence will allow a new system to be put in place, and in Scotland's case, and for the people of Scotland, a system of social equality where the yoke of the old feudal ideologies are finally dismantled.
The political systems of New Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats have atrophied in the UK; atrophied to such an extent that the dividing line between these ideologies have become increasingly blurred by each party's pragmatic desire for political power. A power to be got seemingly at any cost. And particularly in the Labour Party's case, to be got at the expense of political ideology.
Sadly -- and as a member of the Labour Party it pains me greatly to write this -- over the last fifteen years or so I have witnessed the Labour Party's fundamental socialist thought being consistently compromised on a needs must basis, an "ends justifies the means" ideology; floundering in a swamp of sound bite sentiment.

Labour's failure to understand and anticipate Scotland's desire for a state of independence could at root lie in its reconstitution of the party as New Labour in the 1990s. The need for this reconstitution came about as a desire for the party to purge itself of its top heavy industrial union dependency and militant tendency.
It tried to create itself anew as New Labour, but perhaps in the process threw the baby out with the bath water.
And yet, it might have succeeded in this metamorphosis had it not been for the all-wheening hubris of its leader, Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, who insisted in involving these islands in an illegal war which created a painful fissure in the body politic of the party.
That fissure has never been healed. Faith was lost and has yet to be restored.

And at this vital time when the big battalions of political thinking of Westminster are mustering their final offensive against Scottish Independence, the very act of this coercion creates in the Scottish character a defiance and an understanding of their true spirit; a spirit which despite overbearing adversity remains fiercely independent in its constitution.
The environmental campaigner George Monbiot has written that "to vote 'No' in this referendum is to choose to live under a political system that sustains one of the rich world's highest levels of inequality and deprivation. A system that treats the natural world, civic life, equality, public health, and effective public services as dispensable luxuries, and the freedom of the rich to exploit the poor as non-negotiable."
Throughout the Independence campaign, I have been shocked and shaken by the disconnect of my colleagues and their failure to understand the state of play throughout the whole of this nation, exemplified by the needs of the Scottish people.
I have been appalled at the condescension and patronizing attitudes of those who I would have thought would have known better, and who could have offered far deeper and more profound arguments against the idea of Independence.

And not once during this entire campaign has there been a successful attempt by the naysayers to match and compete with the profound belief of those in the "Yes" camp: Their arguments have always deteriorated into tactics of fear, and the disparagement of faith.
But you know, when you go into the polling booth and you place your mark on the ballot paper, that very act, in its purest form, is an act of faith, "Yes" or "No."
The only guarantee you've got is the guarantee of your own spirit, for good or for bad. And on September 18, my hope and the hope for my people is to choose "Yes," for good.


Please note the date on the caption - 2012. The campaign began in Scotland TWO YEARS AGO. If assorted London Talking Heads are now wailing, But do the Scotch understand the ishooes? They haven't thought this through, just wrote it on the bag of a fag packet are, as usual, talking out of their backsides and blaming others for their own ignorance.

This has been being discussed in Scotland for TWO YEARS and longer, not the two weeks since London finally noticed something was happening in North Britain.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/if-you-love-someone-keep-them-prisoner/

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Right there, in just two sentences, the spirit of the Union: English people think they should have been allowed to force the Scots to remain in the UK against their will.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

Neo-Cons of the World Unite: You Have Nothing to Lose Except Your Slaves, Mansions and Huge Pots of Money
by craig on September 13, 2014 in Uncategorized
David Folkerts-Landau, Chief Economist of Deutsche Bank, who has claimed that Scotland would have a “Great Depression” if independent, has a second home he bought for US $11.6 million dollars. His first home is in London – where he would have been well-placed to notice that Deutsche Bank was at the very heart of the LIBOR interest rate fixing scandal. Naturally neither Folkerts-Landau (he and his wife are friends of the Camerons) nor any other senior banker was jailed for that long term criminal illegality.

Folkerts-Landau must, you might assume, have great powers of economic prediction to have accumulated a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars from banking salary and bonuses. Yet he failed to notice that Deutsche Bank was running up 92 billion dollars of US sub-prime mortgage junk that would be written off in the actual great crash, in which Deutsche Bank was again in the centre. Why a man who failed to notice that his own work was contributing to an actual great depression, should be taken seriously in ridiculous prognostications of a new one, is rather beyond me.

It is interesting that Folkerts-Landau states that Winston Churchill’s return to the gold standard was a major cause of the great depression. From the German Deutsche bank, that dismissed its Jewish directors in 1933 and denounced Jewish employees, and received expropriated Jewish assets through direct cooperation with Hitler, this criticism of Winston Churchill might be thought culturally insensitive.

Folkerts-Landau is just another example of the super-rich who realise that the people-based movement for Scottish independence is currently the most potent threat to the neo-con hegemony that has resulted in the destruction of social-democratic society and the massive gap between the super-rich and real people. If you look at the other boards on which sit members of the board of Deutsche Bank, it reads like a catalogue of corporate dominance:

Coca Cola
Pepsi Cola
Microsoft
Accenture
IBM
Bayer
Daimler
EON Energy
Thyssen
XL Group
Alliance Trust
Bilfinger
BMW

That is an illustration of the fact that mega corporations are not really competitive, but part of an interlinked web of capital interests all sharing directors. Those interests have bombarded Scotland with apocalyptic threats the last few days. There will be a great depression, major businesses will leave, energy bills will go up, interest rates will go up, oil will run out, shopping bills will go up, call charges will go up, terrorists will run round unimpeded, Russia will invade. These nonsensical claims have been hammered home relentlessly in perhaps the most concentrated stream of mainstream media propaganda in history.

The extraordinary resilience of the Scottish people, in face of these ludicrous levels of threat and intimidation from “authority figures” like Folkerts-Landau, is something of which I am very, very proud.

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These oligarchs DO NOT CARE ABOUT SCOTLAND. They don't care about anyone. It doesn't matter whether you are Scots, English, American, Ukrainian, Iraqi, Australian, Indian, Welsh or Chinese.

THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

All they care about is $$$$$$$ going into their pockets.

Comment on Wings over Scotland:


Paul Murphy says:
13 September, 2014 at 11:51 am
Jings. Imagine in 2017 if France, Germany, Italy and Spain all decide they should get a vote to keep rUK in the EU!

Let's suppose Scotland breaks free and rUk further lurches to the right in some hellish coalition of Farage and Boris.

RUK then holds a referendum on the EU - and France, Germany, etc, bombard Little Englanders with apocalyptic warnings about doom and ruin, not to mention Asda putting its prices up.

How are the Daily Mail readers going to feel then? Because rUK leaving the EU is potentially far more serious than Scotland tearing up the Act of Union.

It's so interesting to watch from here.  Loving it.  

It's just getting barmy now. Not that it ever wasn't.

Some prat on Question Time said that Scotland will have to BORROW MONEY. Some bright spark replied, did he think that Britain doesn't.

Just remind yourself, Sabot, that the doomsayers don't give a flying one about Scotland or anywhere else, all that concerns them is their offshore bank accounts, and it all makes much more sense.

Greed is good - Gordon Gekko, Wall Street.   

That's it, Lily - keep that in mind at all times. And I am sure we can all live without lectures from Deutsche Bank, of all things, given their extremely shady past.

From our friends in Catalonia:



The odd thing is, the YESses have friends all over the world; it's the Oh no, We're Bitters that seem to suffer from a Daily Mailish fear of Europeans and similar foreign types.

Have been speaking about this issue with some people here  and they said, out of the blue, that the Noes are in a panic.  

It's all good.  

Something else is very noticeable, and that's the makeup of the Bitters on the street.

They have a few suited types as leaders, but they are having to bus in a lot of supporters to hand out leaflets and be ignored. They don't seem to have the same grassroots local support that YES does. There have been persistent reports of them bussing up Labour student types from England, and paying their expenses, because they just don't have the numbers.

They also all seem to have faces like torn scones just now - not at all the attitude of people that think they're winning. They don't have songs, banners, nothing - just a constant repetition of, Strength through Unity, ProudScotBut, Rule Brittannia, You're all doomed!

Very negative.

That's interesting, Lily, it's sometimes hard to judge just what is happening when you are in the eye of the hurricane.

Sky:

The telephone poll, which was commissioned by the Better Together campaign and carried out by Survation, has the "No" vote on 54% and the "Yes" camp on 46%.

Well, as they paid for it, it would say that, wouldn't it?

The lazy load of toffs, thought they had it in the bag.  This late frenzy has caught them by surprise.  They must be loving you Yes people.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=592543857520831

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Tory politician makes it crystal-clear there will be NO devo-max in the event of a No vote; constitutionally, there cannot be.

http://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/the-flaky-character-of-deutsche-bank/

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This year the German government passed a law giving workers a minimum wage of €8.50 Euros an hour. The only bank to resist the improvement in worker’s lives was … the Deutsche Bank. It tried hard to depict it as a ‘cataclysmic’ disaster. Herr Folkerts-Landau swore blind higher wages would ‘unravel’ the employment market. To understand his threat you must first understand he is a neo-con in the brutal mould.

Germany’s premier, Angela Merkel, ignored Herr Foulkerts-Landau.

We should too.

No disaster occurred.

Over one million of Scotland’s people live below the poverty line. Herr Folkerts-Landau is worried they might be given a living wage. There’s nothing like a gross multi-millionaire investment banker to tell the rest of us how poor we should remain. J. K. Rowling will be cheering in her leylandi fortified Scots castle in Edinburgh.

Oh, by the way, vast new oil fields have been discovered off Shetlands – offering Scotland “trillions” of dollars for many decades to come, the words of the oil executives, not mine. Could the panic in Westminster’s breast have something to do with the distinct possibility a generation of Scotland’s oil wealth might be lost to squander yet again?

I see we have a supporter in Springfield, Lily:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/13/tony-blair-scottish-independence_n_5815082.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

As the fate of the United Kingdom hangs on a knife edge, Tony Blair has finally decided to break his silence and wade into the Scottish independence debate.

While the polls currently show Scots are almost completely evenly divided between support for the union and separation from the rest of the UK, the former Prime Minister's thoughts could be what pushes opinion one way or another.

Blair said on Saturday that he hoped Scots would vote against independence, saying that breaking up the United Kingdom would not be a sensible step, Reuters reported.

"For all the reasons given by all the party leaders of the UK, in the 21st Century to rip up the alliance between our countries would not be sensible, politically, economically or even emotionally," he said, speaking at a security conference in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev.

Why is he in Kiev, and not in jail awaiting trial for war crimes? And what is he doing in Kiev, anyway? Hasn't he killed enough people already?