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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:08 am

For fun:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-siege-of-balamory?bffbuk#4eq9bpm

How assorted 'news'papers will report a YES victory, sample-

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Never mind Scotland, who wouldn't cheer on Her Maj if she thumped Cameron just for being Cameron? Maybe set a corgi or two on the bounder while she's at it?
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:28 am

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/13/opinion/brian-cox-yes-to-scottish-independence/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

Brian Cox: Scottish 'Yes' vote will see democracy reborn
By Brian Cox, actor and supporter of Scottish independence, Special to CNN
September 13, 2014 -- Updated 0618 GMT (1418 HKT)


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Brian Cox speaks at the launch of the "Yes" campaign for Scottish independence in 2012

Editor's note: Brian Cox is an Emmy Award-winning actor known for his work with the Royal Shakespeare Company and in Hollywood movies including Manhunter, Braveheart and The Bourne Identity. He is a patron of the Scottish Youth Theatre, and rector of Dundee University. He supports the Yes Scotland campaign, but is not permitted to vote in the referendum as he lives in the U.S. The views in this commentary are solely his.

(CNN) -- As we approach the referendum, what is being proven time and time again is that the people of Scotland are showing a political will that has been sadly lacking in these islands for the last generation or so.
Whatever the vote and whatever the outcome on September 18, the victory will be the revival of social democracy.
Hopefully -- from my point of view, and that of the Scottish people -- the vote will be a resounding "Yes."
A "Yes" which reinforces the will of the Scottish people to supersede the political apathy of the last twenty years or so.
In the debate between "Yes" and "No," there clearly has arisen confusion between Nationalism and Independence. Nationalist sentiment can obfuscate the point of Independence.

This vote is not about nationalism, it is about social democracy, and for myself and the people of Scotland, social democracy is at the root of our desire for Independence.
An independent state of Scotland will reinforce its own laws, embrace new forms of political thinking, new creeds, new political parties, and new positions of argument.
Independence will allow a new system to be put in place, and in Scotland's case, and for the people of Scotland, a system of social equality where the yoke of the old feudal ideologies are finally dismantled.
The political systems of New Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats have atrophied in the UK; atrophied to such an extent that the dividing line between these ideologies have become increasingly blurred by each party's pragmatic desire for political power. A power to be got seemingly at any cost. And particularly in the Labour Party's case, to be got at the expense of political ideology.
Sadly -- and as a member of the Labour Party it pains me greatly to write this -- over the last fifteen years or so I have witnessed the Labour Party's fundamental socialist thought being consistently compromised on a needs must basis, an "ends justifies the means" ideology; floundering in a swamp of sound bite sentiment.

Labour's failure to understand and anticipate Scotland's desire for a state of independence could at root lie in its reconstitution of the party as New Labour in the 1990s. The need for this reconstitution came about as a desire for the party to purge itself of its top heavy industrial union dependency and militant tendency.
It tried to create itself anew as New Labour, but perhaps in the process threw the baby out with the bath water.
And yet, it might have succeeded in this metamorphosis had it not been for the all-wheening hubris of its leader, Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, who insisted in involving these islands in an illegal war which created a painful fissure in the body politic of the party.
That fissure has never been healed. Faith was lost and has yet to be restored.

And at this vital time when the big battalions of political thinking of Westminster are mustering their final offensive against Scottish Independence, the very act of this coercion creates in the Scottish character a defiance and an understanding of their true spirit; a spirit which despite overbearing adversity remains fiercely independent in its constitution.
The environmental campaigner George Monbiot has written that "to vote 'No' in this referendum is to choose to live under a political system that sustains one of the rich world's highest levels of inequality and deprivation. A system that treats the natural world, civic life, equality, public health, and effective public services as dispensable luxuries, and the freedom of the rich to exploit the poor as non-negotiable."
Throughout the Independence campaign, I have been shocked and shaken by the disconnect of my colleagues and their failure to understand the state of play throughout the whole of this nation, exemplified by the needs of the Scottish people.
I have been appalled at the condescension and patronizing attitudes of those who I would have thought would have known better, and who could have offered far deeper and more profound arguments against the idea of Independence.

And not once during this entire campaign has there been a successful attempt by the naysayers to match and compete with the profound belief of those in the "Yes" camp: Their arguments have always deteriorated into tactics of fear, and the disparagement of faith.
But you know, when you go into the polling booth and you place your mark on the ballot paper, that very act, in its purest form, is an act of faith, "Yes" or "No."
The only guarantee you've got is the guarantee of your own spirit, for good or for bad. And on September 18, my hope and the hope for my people is to choose "Yes," for good.



Please note the date on the caption - 2012. The campaign began in Scotland TWO YEARS AGO. If assorted London Talking Heads are now wailing, But do the Scotch understand the ishooes? They haven't thought this through, just wrote it on the bag of a fag packet are, as usual, talking out of their backsides and blaming others for their own ignorance.

This has been being discussed in Scotland for TWO YEARS and longer, not the two weeks since London finally noticed something was happening in North Britain.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:59 am

http://wingsoverscotland.com/if-you-love-someone-keep-them-prisoner/

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Right there, in just two sentences, the spirit of the Union: English people think they should have been allowed to force the Scots to remain in the UK against their will.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:04 pm

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

Neo-Cons of the World Unite: You Have Nothing to Lose Except Your Slaves, Mansions and Huge Pots of Money
by craig on September 13, 2014 in Uncategorized
David Folkerts-Landau, Chief Economist of Deutsche Bank, who has claimed that Scotland would have a “Great Depression” if independent, has a second home he bought for US $11.6 million dollars. His first home is in London – where he would have been well-placed to notice that Deutsche Bank was at the very heart of the LIBOR interest rate fixing scandal. Naturally neither Folkerts-Landau (he and his wife are friends of the Camerons) nor any other senior banker was jailed for that long term criminal illegality.

Folkerts-Landau must, you might assume, have great powers of economic prediction to have accumulated a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars from banking salary and bonuses. Yet he failed to notice that Deutsche Bank was running up 92 billion dollars of US sub-prime mortgage junk that would be written off in the actual great crash, in which Deutsche Bank was again in the centre. Why a man who failed to notice that his own work was contributing to an actual great depression, should be taken seriously in ridiculous prognostications of a new one, is rather beyond me.

It is interesting that Folkerts-Landau states that Winston Churchill’s return to the gold standard was a major cause of the great depression. From the German Deutsche bank, that dismissed its Jewish directors in 1933 and denounced Jewish employees, and received expropriated Jewish assets through direct cooperation with Hitler, this criticism of Winston Churchill might be thought culturally insensitive.

Folkerts-Landau is just another example of the super-rich who realise that the people-based movement for Scottish independence is currently the most potent threat to the neo-con hegemony that has resulted in the destruction of social-democratic society and the massive gap between the super-rich and real people. If you look at the other boards on which sit members of the board of Deutsche Bank, it reads like a catalogue of corporate dominance:

Coca Cola
Pepsi Cola
Microsoft
Accenture
IBM
Bayer
Daimler
EON Energy
Thyssen
XL Group
Alliance Trust
Bilfinger
BMW

That is an illustration of the fact that mega corporations are not really competitive, but part of an interlinked web of capital interests all sharing directors. Those interests have bombarded Scotland with apocalyptic threats the last few days. There will be a great depression, major businesses will leave, energy bills will go up, interest rates will go up, oil will run out, shopping bills will go up, call charges will go up, terrorists will run round unimpeded, Russia will invade. These nonsensical claims have been hammered home relentlessly in perhaps the most concentrated stream of mainstream media propaganda in history.

The extraordinary resilience of the Scottish people, in face of these ludicrous levels of threat and intimidation from “authority figures” like Folkerts-Landau, is something of which I am very, very proud.


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These oligarchs DO NOT CARE ABOUT SCOTLAND. They don't care about anyone. It doesn't matter whether you are Scots, English, American, Ukrainian, Iraqi, Australian, Indian, Welsh or Chinese.

THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

All they care about is $$$$$$$ going into their pockets.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:09 pm

Comment on Wings over Scotland:


Paul Murphy says:
13 September, 2014 at 11:51 am
Jings. Imagine in 2017 if France, Germany, Italy and Spain all decide they should get a vote to keep rUK in the EU!


Let's suppose Scotland breaks free and rUk further lurches to the right in some hellish coalition of Farage and Boris.

RUK then holds a referendum on the EU - and France, Germany, etc, bombard Little Englanders with apocalyptic warnings about doom and ruin, not to mention Asda putting its prices up.

How are the Daily Mail readers going to feel then? Because rUK leaving the EU is potentially far more serious than Scotland tearing up the Act of Union.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:14 pm

It's so interesting to watch from here.  Loving it.  smile
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Post  Sabot Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:31 pm

It's just getting barmy now. Not that it ever wasn't.

Some prat on Question Time said that Scotland will have to BORROW MONEY. Some bright spark replied, did he think that Britain doesn't. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:15 pm

Just remind yourself, Sabot, that the doomsayers don't give a flying one about Scotland or anywhere else, all that concerns them is their offshore bank accounts, and it all makes much more sense.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:19 pm

Greed is good - Gordon Gekko, Wall Street.   Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:22 pm

That's it, Lily - keep that in mind at all times. And I am sure we can all live without lectures from Deutsche Bank, of all things, given their extremely shady past.

From our friends in Catalonia:

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The odd thing is, the YESses have friends all over the world; it's the Oh no, We're Bitters that seem to suffer from a Daily Mailish fear of Europeans and similar foreign types.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:27 pm

Have been speaking about this issue with some people here  and they said, out of the blue, that the Noes are in a panic.  

It's all good.  smile
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:33 pm

Something else is very noticeable, and that's the makeup of the Bitters on the street.

They have a few suited types as leaders, but they are having to bus in a lot of supporters to hand out leaflets and be ignored. They don't seem to have the same grassroots local support that YES does. There have been persistent reports of them bussing up Labour student types from England, and paying their expenses, because they just don't have the numbers.

They also all seem to have faces like torn scones just now - not at all the attitude of people that think they're winning. They don't have songs, banners, nothing - just a constant repetition of, Strength through Unity, ProudScotBut, Rule Brittannia, You're all doomed!

Very negative.

That's interesting, Lily, it's sometimes hard to judge just what is happening when you are in the eye of the hurricane.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:39 pm

Sky:

The telephone poll, which was commissioned by the Better Together campaign and carried out by Survation, has the "No" vote on 54% and the "Yes" camp on 46%.

Well, as they paid for it, it would say that, wouldn't it? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:22 pm

The lazy load of toffs, thought they had it in the bag.  This late frenzy has caught them by surprise.  They must be loving you Yes people.

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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:02 pm

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=592543857520831

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Tory politician makes it crystal-clear there will be NO devo-max in the event of a No vote; constitutionally, there cannot be.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:06 pm

http://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/the-flaky-character-of-deutsche-bank/

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This year the German government passed a law giving workers a minimum wage of €8.50 Euros an hour. The only bank to resist the improvement in worker’s lives was … the Deutsche Bank. It tried hard to depict it as a ‘cataclysmic’ disaster. Herr Folkerts-Landau swore blind higher wages would ‘unravel’ the employment market. To understand his threat you must first understand he is a neo-con in the brutal mould.

Germany’s premier, Angela Merkel, ignored Herr Foulkerts-Landau.

We should too.

No disaster occurred.

Over one million of Scotland’s people live below the poverty line. Herr Folkerts-Landau is worried they might be given a living wage. There’s nothing like a gross multi-millionaire investment banker to tell the rest of us how poor we should remain. J. K. Rowling will be cheering in her leylandi fortified Scots castle in Edinburgh.

Oh, by the way, vast new oil fields have been discovered off Shetlands – offering Scotland “trillions” of dollars for many decades to come, the words of the oil executives, not mine. Could the panic in Westminster’s breast have something to do with the distinct possibility a generation of Scotland’s oil wealth might be lost to squander yet again?
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:32 pm

I see we have a supporter in Springfield, Lily:

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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:45 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/13/tony-blair-scottish-independence_n_5815082.html?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk

As the fate of the United Kingdom hangs on a knife edge, Tony Blair has finally decided to break his silence and wade into the Scottish independence debate.

While the polls currently show Scots are almost completely evenly divided between support for the union and separation from the rest of the UK, the former Prime Minister's thoughts could be what pushes opinion one way or another.

Blair said on Saturday that he hoped Scots would vote against independence, saying that breaking up the United Kingdom would not be a sensible step, Reuters reported.

"For all the reasons given by all the party leaders of the UK, in the 21st Century to rip up the alliance between our countries would not be sensible, politically, economically or even emotionally," he said, speaking at a security conference in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev.


Why is he in Kiev, and not in jail awaiting trial for war crimes? And what is he doing in Kiev, anyway? Hasn't he killed enough people already?
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Glasgow earlier this afternoon. biggrin
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:18 pm

bb1 wrote:I see we have a supporter in Springfield, Lily:

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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:19 pm

Love the photos from Glasgow too.  biggrin
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:27 pm

They're good, aren't they? The thing is, the YES ones are genuine, the Oh Noes, aren't. They are all carefully posed so the same thirty people holding signs look as if they're a mob.

Oh, apart from the vile Orange Order that marched through Edinburgh today.

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Horrible people - a lot of them were imported from Northern Ireland for the occasion.

I have only ever seen one Orange march, thankfully, they don't blight the east of Scotland nearly as much. I made the mistake of laughing at them. They weren't pleased. rofl rofl rofl

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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:10 pm

I don't think that was a mistake, Bonny.  Winkroflroflroflroflroflroflrofl
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