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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:24 pm

http://wingsoverscotland.com/and-then-my-heart-went-boom/#more-61698

The picture the BBC chose to illustrate events in Glasgow’s Buchanan Street today:

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What was actually happening:

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The BBC is worse than Pravda.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:30 pm

Amazing.  Good for the YES Campaign.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:33 pm

I think Edinburgh was quiet today, as people were scared of the Orange march, but I gather from reading round that there were similar scenes elsewhere. Well, I know there were, I witnessed one myself.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:37 pm

This is getting even more amazing to watch, Bonny.  You must be so hopeful?
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:39 pm

I am deliberately not getting over-confident, Lily, don't want to jinx things. rofl
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Post  lily Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:46 pm

Don't blame you.   Only a few more days to go.....hug
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Post  Sabot Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:49 am

I've just had an horrible thought. They couldn't be delaying broadcasting "Outlander" because it gives a pretty good description of what England did to The Scots after The Union was signed, could they?
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:06 pm

Wouldn't surprise me, Sabot, not if it contradicts the official Rule Brittania version of events, in which those silly Scotch types think they can run a trading colony haw haw haw and have to be rescued by Good Old England, and they begged Good Old England for the wonders of the Act of Union.

It leaves out the bit where the might of the English Navy was used to prevent other nations trading with the Scots (sound familiar?) under penalty of being attacked by the English fleet. Oh, and the bit where England used force to stop other trading posts in the area from coming to the aid of the Scots when they fell ill.

And the bit where England bribed assorted nobles to sign the accursed thing (the infamous Parcel of Rogues) while the unrepresented people of Scotland tried to get their hands on them and lynch them.

Oh, and the bit where Scots textile manufacturers promptly went bankrupt as England then shut them out of European markets that had been trading with for centuries.

It's never been a particularly happy union, under all the flag-waving and Rule Brittania-ing.

You won't read too much in English history books about Scots being beheaded by the state in 1820, for instance. Spoils the image, doesn't it?


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Post  Sabot Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:15 pm

Scotland would be having a fit if they had been watching what I have for the last five weeks. It doesn't look much like a Union to me. More like a savage and barbaric need to beat and flog The Scots into submission.
Nothing wrong with the written word, but it doesn't have quite the impact of seeing it happen.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:25 pm

It doesn't look much like a Union to me. More like a savage and barbaric need to beat and flog The Scots into submission.

That is EXACTLY what the reality was, Sabot.

Bet you don't know about London sending tanks into Glasgow to subdue the rebellious locals, in the Battle of George Square in 1919?

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That's Glasgow Cattle Market and their targets are Glaswegians. Rule Brittania!

Look at the top of the page, the lies and propaganda from the BBC couldn't be better illustrated. Their version of events in Glasgow yesterday is a handful of people holding YES signs. The reality was a scene like the street parties after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
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Post  Sabot Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:34 pm

There's a lot I didn't know, Bonny. My knowledge of Scottish history tends to centre more around the eighteenth century, which I have never been all that impressed with. Most of this knowledge comes from reading the Diana Gabaldon books, which I started some ten years ago.

What caused the problem in 1919? I need to catch up.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:45 pm

http://urbanglasgow.co.uk/archive/-bloody-friday-glasgow-s-general-strike-of-1919.__o_t__t_792.html

It started out over working hours, then grew, as these things tend to do......Our Leaders appear to have panicked, and thought it was a repeat of the Irish Easter Rising, this time with the entire city joining in.

Rule Britannia indeed.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:47 pm

Scottish soldiers billeted at Maryhill barracks were not used. They were all veterans of the front and could not be trusted to obey orders to turn their guns on the strikers. Instead, the government used young and inexperienced English troops, who were ignorant of the situation.

Some things never change.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:01 pm

http://wingsoverscotland.com/we-are-not-afraid/#more-61705

We are not afraid
Posted on September 14, 2014 by Rev. Stuart Campbell
Alert readers will remember that Gordon Brown, who is apparently some sort of former politician, has recently been spreading the completely baseless scare story that Scots would no longer receive organ transplants or blood transfusions from other people in the UK (and vice versa) in the event of independence.

Last night, not long after the Orange Order had marched in the streets of Edinburgh with “NO POPERY” banners, a young woman with a life-limiting illness called Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency climbed the face of Edinburgh Castle with oxygen strapped to her back and tubes up her nose. (The only cure for A1AD is a double lung transplant.)

This is what she did there.


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More at link.
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Post  Sabot Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:14 pm

Gosh. Well done her. So Brave. Up you, in other words.

I have a feeling that offers of blood and donor organs are going to flood in to Scotland. I could easily have smacked Gordon Brown some years ago. Now it would be a privilege.
What does he think he is doing?
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:31 pm

He should have stuck to trying to get the MoD to remove the radiation from the local beach, Sabot, it's about all he's fit for. He seemed to forget, he's just an opposition backbencher, no-one important, except in his own mind.

Whatever happens on Thursday, this is likely to be the end of the Labour party in Scotland. Now, I remember having HUGE fights with Labour supporters years ago - I said they were throwing their votes away, because if the Tories were in power, their votes were worth nothing, and even if Labour was in power, the likes of Blair and co didn't give a flying one about anyone at the bottom of the heap.

And so it has come to pass - Labour politicians sharing a platform with the Tories to defend the indefensible. And former Labour die-hards are beyond angry at being treated with such contempt. I'd say the SNP are actually calmer, as dirty tricks and betrayals come as no surprise to them, but it's been an eye-opener for a lot of other people.

If, horribly, there is a No win, by some chicanery, how are THEY going to feel when they discover there will be no devo-max, as they've been promised by the unionists? That there can't be, it would mean tearing up constitutional law and starting again? That English MPs would never pass something so discriminatory, their electorate wouldn't let them? And quite rightly, as English MPs are supposed to represent the interests of THEIR constituents?

If anything, with England lurching to the Right and Boris and Farage smelling power, Scotland is going to be battered senseless - again - should there be a No vote.

Westminster is lying to the ProudScotsBut, and they can't, or won't, see it.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:57 pm

http://new.livestream.com/IndependenceLive/BBCBiasV

Livestream of the protest going on outside BBC Scotland. I doubt if the BBC will report this, they haven't reported any other protests on their doorstep, just like they didn't report the massive protest outside BBC Manchester.

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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:45 pm

Still no sign of BBC Scotland reporting this:

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Guess they haven't look out the window yet.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:50 pm

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/thousands-of-yes-supporters-protest-against-bbc-in-glasgow.1410701521

Thousands of Yes supporters protest against BBC in Glasgow
Sunday 14 September 2014
A protest is underway outside the BBC Scotland buildings in Glasgow against alleged bias in the network's coverage of the independence referendum.

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Thousands of yes supporters have turned out at Pacific Quay, Glasgow, to vent their frustration at what they see as pro-union bias in the BBC's coverage.

Some protestors have held aloft a banner calling for the Beeb's political editor Nick Robinson to be sacked.

The protest was orchestrated via social media.

The BBC have yet to make a statement responding to the protest.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:54 pm

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/an-explosive-breach-of-the-rules-salmond-blasts-treasury-as-its-bbc-email-is-exposed.25315637

An explosive breach of the rules: Salmond blasts Treasury as its BBC email is exposed

A DAMNING email shows the UK Treasury leaked sensitive information about a Royal Bank of Scotland contingency plan to move its registered office from an independent Scotland before the bank itself had decided to announce its plan.

A major row broke out after the BBC reported RBS plans to relocate the office to London, if there is a Yes vote, on Wednesday night. The bank's announcement was made the next morning.

It prompted First Minister Alex Salmond to write to Sir Jeremy Heywood, the head of the UK civil service, demanding an inquiry into the "clear breach of city rules".

In response, Heywood said the Treasury had just been confirming its understanding of RBS's plans after questions from the media.

But the Sunday Herald understands the Treasury sent an email to the BBC at 10.16pm on Wednesday, while the RBS board was still meeting to decide whether to tell its shareholders of its plan the next day.

The Sunday Herald understands the Treasury email said: "As you would expect, RBS have also been in touch with us and have similar plans to base themselves in London."

Salmond last night called the email ''an extraordinary and politically explosive revelation'' and demanded its immediate publication in full.

''It appears that the Treasury were briefing RBS market-sensitive information 45 minutes before the bank's board decided to announce its decision,'' he said.

''It is clear they did so in clear breach of the Treasury rule book. The Treasury fingerprints are all over this. They orchestrated it in the same way that the Prime Minister was caught red-handed orchestrating the scare surrounding comments by supermarkets.

''The Westminster establishment are now on the back foot. Not only are they fearmongering but they are not doing so competently or within the rules."

Salmond has now written again to Heywood demanding an inquiry. He said: "This makes the case for a full inquiry irresistible and … extremely urgent.

There were suggestions this week about the safety of jobs in the financial sector in Scotland.

These turned out to be false, and this was backed up in a statement by RBS chief executive Ross McEwan.

It said: "Any decision to move our registered headquarters should have no impact on everyday banking services used by our customers … This is a technical procedure regarding the location of our registered head office. It is not an intention to move operations or jobs."

Yesterday, it emerged that Edinburgh financier and RBS shareholder Peter de Vink has written to Police Scotland, the City of London Police, the Financial Conduct Authority and the Lord Advocate of Scotland asking for a probe into the release of the information relating to RBS's relocation.

In his complaint he raised concerns of "criminal and inappropriate activities" with impacts on "shareholders, customers and the wider public in Scotland". He told the Sunday Herald: "I feel that the Westminster government has behaved almost like a banana republic dictatorship.

"I am incensed … Scotland could be a great success story as an independent nation."


Last week, Lloyds Banking Group, Clydesdale Bank, Tesco Bank, TSB and Standard Life set out contingency plans post-referendum which included moving aspects of their business - such as headquarters or legal registration - south of the Border. Retailers including Asda, and John Lewis said prices would rise in an independent Scotland.

That was contradicted by others including Tim Martin, the head of Wetherspoon, one of Britain's biggest pub chains, who said Scotland could thrive on its own, and Tesco, which denied claims its prices would rise in an independent Scotland.

Senior banking experts also dismissed claims made yesterday by Deutsche Bank's chief economist David Folkerts-Landau that a Yes vote would cause the kind of instability which triggered the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Ian Blackford, who formerly ran Deutsche Bank's operations in Scotland and the Netherlands, said the argument made about the financial services sector in Scotland benefiting from the strength of the Union failed in light of the fact Deutsche Bank had shut its Edinburgh office in 2005.

HE said: "A business which had been highly successful was trashed and closed in Edinburgh by Deutsche Bank. They are saying there is a risk to the financial industry - yet they did it themselves … under the Union."


Edward McDowell, a former risk manager for Lloyds Banking Group, called the Deutsche Bank warning "totally disingenuous".

He said: "There is no balanced comment around the strong fiscal situation Scotland is in, which is clearly established in situations that are here and will remain here.

"That part of it is not getting across to give people a balanced view and allow them to make a sensible judgment for Thursday."

He decided to speak out after reading reports of risks to jobs from "relocation" of bank head offices. "It is purely a technical issue," he said.

Michelle Thomson, managing director of pro-independence group Business for Scotland, who has held senior roles at Standard Life, said: "Standard Life has managed to still retain a sense of identity and strong Scottish brand - it is headquartered in Edinburgh and has literally thousands of staff. The idea that they would move lock, stock and barrel is ridiculous."
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:07 pm

My wee Scots football team made a mighty killing yesterday - Partick Thistle 3 - 1 Inverness CT - could this be a sign?   LL  
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:17 pm

Oh, very good, LL. It's good to see Partick doing well, after being the butt of so many jokes for years. Now it's Scotland's Shame, Rangers, that gets laughed at.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:36 pm

Better Together

PLEASE SHARE: Do you, your family or your friends live in London? If so, why not head along to the Let's Stay Together Trafalgar Square Get Together tomorrow night at 6pm?


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That bit of patronising failure to Get It should be good for another few YESSES.
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Post  Sabot Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:45 pm

Isn't some of what is going on Illegal?
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