Breaking News!!!! Richard III's Body Found!

Do they still have to do the dinners?

I saw this on one of the Leicester pages (the Yorkies are still finding things to foam at the mouth about).



Richard's banner, one of two flags presented to the Cathedral today by Richard III Society in memory of Margaret York, founder member of the Leicestershire Branch

 

I think I'll stick to the Middle Ages, Lily, it's much more civilised than the 21st century....

Yes it is. Am currently watching a program about Roman Britain and how luxurious life was for the elite and how miserable it was for the rest.

Somehow, I cannot help but think that history certainly does repeat itself. It is happening now....

I often think that one of the worst things about life in the Middle Ages must have been not having waterproof clothes or footwear. The nobles had leather, but even that is nasty when it's sodden.

Bugger. I just wrote a really interesting reply, and then lost it. But probably only to me.

I suspect that the message was that Eccles is a Lancashire name, albeit given to me by a Yorkshire man. But all things have purpose. Hence Maureen Eccles Lang. Two bloody useless husbands.

At heart I am a Celt. And that is all that can matter. I don't think that it matters to my children. But it will, one day.

Richard? Who knows? But I can't help feeling that he was doing alright in what is now a Car Park. This is what we have done. Pull down The Monastery, and tarmac it over. But that doesn't make his resting place any less worthy.

It wasn't actually a car park for very long, Sabot. I saw some old photos of it, and it seems to have previously been a children's playground/municipal gardens.

I was trying to find that old photo via google and came across this, er, interesting, memorabilia...

  

Found it!

https://www.facebook.com/BuryRichardIIIInLeicester/photos/pcb.687160014685013/687159774685037/?type=1



Though I must say, having the good sense to be found under the R sign in a car park, has elevated His Grace from deceased controversial monarch to National Treasure.

bb1 wrote:It wasn't actually a car park for very long, Sabot. I saw some old photos of it, and it seems to have previously been a children's playground/municipal gardens.

But they still destroyed The Monastery. How very bloody sad.

My own opinion is that the destruction of the English monasteries by H8 was one of the worst things that happened to England; it was on a scale with Pol Pot, or the madness of Stalinism. It destroyed a huge chunk of society, and enriched no-one except the usual leeches at the top.

I've always liked that poem, The Secret People, by G. K. Chesterton. It's quite long, but this is the relevant part:

The fine French kings came over in a flutter of flags and dames.
We liked their smiles and battles, but we never could say their names.
The blood ran red to Bosworth and the high French lords went down;
There was naught but a naked people under a naked crown.
And the eyes of the King's Servants turned terribly every way,
And the gold of the King's Servants rose higher every day.
They burnt the homes of the shaven men, that had been quaint and kind,
Till there was no bed in a monk's house, nor food that man could find.
The inns of God where no man paid, that were the wall of the weak,
The King's Servants ate them all. And still we did not speak.

Beautiful poem, Bonny. Will have to find the whole thing now.   

Apologies, should have posted a link to the whole thing:

http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~martinh/poems/SECRET

I think that the same thing has been said since, albeit about different circumstances. But then that is the nature of Poetry. There are no new things under heaven. Just slightly different words.

"Better by far you should forget and smile than that you should remember and be sad." Who believes that shit?

Lots more I have, but then I always was a poetry freak.
I have never published any poetry that I have written because it is mine, and cleaved to my heart. My words.
And besides, I once showed an Auntie of mine a poem that I wrote when I was fourteen years old, And she said, "No way. You didn't write that." So after that humiliation, I just wrote poetry for myself.

My other most and best accredited to what I think of Prose is:

Thou hast committed Adultery. But that was in another Country, and besides, the wench is dead.

Am I right in thinking today is the anniversary of Richard being both buried and unburied?

bb1 wrote:Am I right in thinking today is the anniversary of Richard being both buried and unburied?

Polydorus wrote that he was buried on 25 August. LL

I checked with wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhumation_of_Richard_III_of_England

The bones found on 25 August were uncovered on 4 September and the grave soil dug back further over the next two days.

So both did happen on the 25th.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/richard-iii-two-years-after-his-body-was-found-scientists-discover-how-he-died-9736440.html

Richard III: Two years after his body was found scientists discover how he died

For more than 400 years he has been portrayed on stage as a hunchbacked monarch who commanded his court with a withered arm and limp.

However, since that popular image of Richard III was recently debunked, scientists have had another bone to pick with the last Plantagenet king – this time over how exactly he died.

A team at the University of Leicester used forensic techniques to identify the most likely cause of Richard’s death and has now provided a blow-by-blow account of the fatal injuries he sustained during the Battle of Bosworth field on 22 August 1485, which made him the last monarch to die in battle.

Three of the king’s injuries - two to the skull and one to the pelvis - had the potential to cause death quickly, according to the university’s forensic imaging team. They used whole body CT scans and micro-CT imaging of injured bones to analyse trauma to the 500-year-old skeleton carefully and to determine which of the King’s wounds might have proved fatal. They also analysed tool marks on bone to identify the medieval weapons potentially responsible for his injuries.

The results, published today in The Lancet, show that Richard’s skeleton sustained 11 wounds at or near the time of his death: nine of them to the skull, clearly inflicted in battle and suggesting he had removed or lost his helmet, and two to the postcranial skeleton.

Sarah Hainsworth, study author and Professor of Materials Engineering at the University of Leicester said: “Richard’s injuries represent a sustained attack or an attack by several assailants with weapons from the later medieval period. The wounds to the skull suggest that he was not wearing a helmet, and the absence of defensive wounds on his arms and hands indicate that he was otherwise still armoured at the time of his death.”

Professor Guy Rutty, study co-author, said: “The most likely injuries to have caused the King’s death are the two to the inferior aspect of the skull - a large sharp force trauma possibly from a sword or staff weapon, such as a halberd or bill, and a penetrating injury from the tip of an edged weapon. Richard’s head injuries are consistent with some near-contemporary accounts of the battle, which suggest that Richard abandoned his horse after it became stuck in a mire and was killed while fighting his enemies.”

The remains of Richard III were found under a car park in Leicester two years ago by archaeologists from the University of Leicester and subsequently identified. Judges at the High Court ruled earlier this year that he should be reinterred in Leicester after a legal wrangling between Leicester Cathedral and University and the Plantagenet Alliance, who wanted the king reinterred at York Minster.

It was revealed earlier this month that the Archbishop of Canterbury is likely to lead mourners at the televised funeral of Richard III, the only English monarch without a marked grave, at Leicester Cathedral next March. The Most Reverend Justin Welby will be joined by the Catholic Archbishop of Westminster Cardinal Vincent Nichols and representatives of other faiths to bury the Last Plantagenet King with “dignity and honour”.

At least he probably didn't have time to know what hit him.

Not much you can say about that. He died in battle. It's the traitors who caused it. The mad Margaret whatsername. And what a dynasty she gave to England. Syphilitic bunch they were. But they didn't last long.

Greetings on your 562nd birthday.   LL

Oh yes! Happy birthday, your Grace! Hope you're enjoying your second life as a superstar!

Oh my!!  Can we all come to the party?  

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I can't even begin to count the stupid in that Mail piece....