Prince Andrew denies US allegations over 'sex slave'

I wonder what is really behind this lawsuit and why now?

Now that is indeed an interesting thought, Lily. I doubt if it's aimed at Andy - he is indeed the queen's third son, but he doesn't seem to have any real power. From what I can make out, he was just mentioned in dispatches, as it were. The US citizens may be the real targets?

Especially if one's wife fancied her chances of being president, maybe?

Might be, Bonny, although I think that many people know all about Bill so she doesn't have too much to worry there.

Embarrassment is high on the list, as are buzz words.

Why put Prince Andrew on it? Why Dershowitz? Those are very bold moves to say the least......

Will be interested to find out more as it comes out.

Indeed, Lily, and wisest not to jump to any conclusions at all until it's been heard in court. Whatever happens, it should sell a lot of newspapers.

To be honest, Bonny, I was most surprised to see Dershowitz' s name on the list.

Why on earth would a person put the name of probably the most brilliant litigation attorney in the suit?

More here:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/02/prince-andrew-named-us-lawsuit-underage-sex-allegations

Another close associate of Epstein who is also accused in the lawsuit, Alan Dershowitz, told the Guardian that the woman’s accusations against himself were “totally false and made up”.

The Harvard law professor and esteemed criminal defence attorney who later advised Epstein on how to respond to the FBI’s investigation is accused in the court motion of having sexual relations with the woman when she was a minor and of witnessing the abuse of other minors.

On Thursday he told the Guardian: “There is no more strenuous denial than the one I am giving. I never met her. I don’t know her. I have never had sex with an underage person.”

He added: “This person has made this up out of cloth, maliciously and knowingly in order to extort money from Mr Epstein.”

Dershowitz, who has occasionally written op-ed articles for the Guardian, said he could not comment on the woman’s allegations against Prince Andrew or any other men, but he said her claims against him were demonstrably false and challenged her to file criminal charges against him.

“It is a totally fabricated charge in every possible way,” he said. “It just never happened.”

He said he was considering taking legal action to have Brad Edwards and Paul Cassell, the lawyers who filed the motion, disbarred for “knowingly filing … a false, malicious and defamatory statement in a lawsuit”.

It's certainly a bizarre thing to do, if she's never even met the mam.

I knew it was a foolish thing to do in even thinking of bringing a lawsuit against Dershowitz.  He will cream them.

What on earth were those lawyers thinking?  Maybe a bit green or something?

Not if this is one of them.....

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2014/12/court-filing-levels-sex-claims-at-alan-dershowitz-200495.html

and the three TWELVE year old girls Epstein was presented with for his birthday?
or the Balkan se x slave bought from her family when she was 14 years old?

I don't think it's anything to do with the oldest profession, more a case of a disgusting perverted child molester.

I think it has been a foregone conclusion with Epstein, rhodes, but it may not be so with Dershowitz at the least.

it all stinks

let's hope the guilty finally get some just desserts for a change. Andrew is the biggest one hung out to dry so far, the mind boggles as to who is higher up the chain than him!

But Epstein was convicted and jailed over it, which is why it was beyond stupid for Prince A. to continue hanging around with him.

We've all seen the mud that has been thrown at the McCanns, and others, which is why, IMO, we should NEVER take it for granted that allegations are true, or tabloid headlines accurate.

I don't care about Prince A., if he was involved, then let justice be done though the Heavens fall. But JUSTICE, which is not the same as pointing, shrieking and tabloid hysteria.

BTW, Rhodes, the conspiraloon haters are ALREADY dragging the McCanns into this because Charles was supportive of them.

We can't pick and choose, we either believe in the rule of law, or we don't. I do - so let the courts sort this out.

I'm quite happy to call Epstein a disgusting pervert - he's been tried and convicted. The others? We just don't know at present.

Andrew’s close relationship with Epstein – he visited him in New York two years after the American’s release from prison in 2009 – has long been a source of controversy. The Daily Mail reported in 2011 that the prince had broken off contact with the banker.

So, his is guilt by association? In which case, I must plead guilty, M'Lud, as I have, in my past, had contact with two definite 'undesirables' - because I knew them does not mean I condoned their behavior or was actively involved in their criminal activities. James Cagney said in his biography that he knew murderers, gangsters and the like - but he did live in the Lower East Side of NY. Sorry, bit of a ramble there, but I think you get my drift. I'll get my coat. LL

This is the sh*t that is now being thrown on hate sites:


What I`ve always found extremely odd is Charles & Camilla taking an interest in this case and sending their good wishes, or whatever, to the McCanns - since when have the royals ever done this to a subject who has lost a child?

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Is it Diana, or something else? If Diana, what was Gerry's implication, I wonder. If something else, then what?

There were, of course tenuous reports of a yacht with royal presence being present around that part of Portugal in May 07. Any references now being removed, naturally, so impossible to say whether or not this legend had any credibility.

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"The gist of the bombshell information received here is this: Gerry McCann is privy to information implicating the Royal Family in the murder of Princess Diana. This was his leverage."


You support the rule of law in democracies or you don't; you support the rule of law for princes and paupers or you don't.

I do, and I am NOT going to pitchfork HM's third son just because he puts 'prince' in front of his name. The courts can sort it out.

Someone on Icke's has it sussed:

It's classic Israeli Mossad blackmail...... Maybe Andrew didn't play ball for Israel which is why this is coming out.

Israel must be stopped.


Though actually, given the alleged involvement of Robert Maxwell's daughter in all this, that isn't as daft as it sounds at first......

Can understand all that.......

Would Mossad use under-age girls to blackmail politicians and others? Yes, without even blinking.

Miss Maxwell and her family were disgraced, and she fled to New York to escape the furore in Britain. It was in America that she met Epstein, becoming his girlfriend for a time and attending celebrity events with him. He provided her with a champagne lifestyle of luxurious holidays and palatial apartments that she could never have afforded on the £80,000-a-year her father left her


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Must have been Hell, having to struggle by on a mere 80 grand a year doubtless ripped off from Maxwell pensioners.

She's the one that is interesting in all this, IMO, the one at the heart of it - Prince A makes for good, lurid headlines, but is rather a distraction from the important part of the story.

A recap on Maxwell senior:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate intelligence agency Ari Ben-Menashe, had approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the United States with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that in 1986 Maxwell had told the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu had given information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for 18 years.[38]

The Prince’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, who became embroiled in the Epstein controversy last week when it was revealed that she had accepted £15,000 from the sex offender to pay her debts, visited once with her daughters. Epstein refused a second request for her to visit on her own.
‘Lots of people came and went,’ says Miles. ‘It was like running a five-star hotel where no one paid.’
Others who passed through included model Naomi Campbell, who arrived for two days with what Miles and Cathy called her ‘coffin’ – a huge oversized trunk filled with clothes.
Peter Mandelson holidayed there with his long-term boyfriend Reinaldo, who suffered sunburn and whined about it ‘like a baby’, says Cathy.
Numerous academics, architects and some of the most prominent scientific and business minds also enjoyed Epstein’s generous hospitality.


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Mandy was bound to be involved in this somewhere.

Michael Reiter was a popular small-town police chief with a lifetime’s experience in finding the balance between patrolling the millionaire’s playground of Palm Beach, Florida, and its blue-collar neighbour West Palm Beach, home to unglamorous social housing projects and trailer parks.
Throughout his 28-year career, he prided himself that his force treated the wealthy on his patch just the same as the very poorest. But his investigation into the lifestyle of predatory paedophile Jeffrey Epstein exploded his illusion that law enforcement could ever be impartial.
He soon discovered at first hand that a man such as Epstein, with almost unlimited wealth and influential friends including former President Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew and Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak, can effectively bend the law to his whim.


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I suspect that if there is truth in these allegations, the people making them have far, far worse to worry about that the British royals.

Lamplighter wrote:

Andrew’s close relationship with Epstein – he visited him in New York two years after the American’s release from prison in 2009 – has long been a source of controversy. The Daily Mail reported in 2011 that the prince had broken off contact with the banker.

So, his is guilt by association?   In which case, I must plead guilty, M'Lud, as I have, in  my past, had contact with two definite 'undesirables' - because I knew them does not mean I condoned their behavior or was actively involved in their criminal activities.   James Cagney said in his biography that he knew murderers, gangsters and the like - but he did live in the Lower East Side of NY.   Sorry, bit of a ramble there, but I think you get my drift.    I'll get my coat.    LL      

Yer, me too, LL. I tend not to dump my friends just because I don't approve of their lifestyles. Although perhaps Prince Andrew should have been a bit more careful.

So these girls were carted kicking and screaming half way around The World? I don't think so, somehow.

Sabot wrote:

Lamplighter wrote:

Andrew’s close relationship with Epstein – he visited him in New York two years after the American’s release from prison in 2009 – has long been a source of controversy. The Daily Mail reported in 2011 that the prince had broken off contact with the banker.

So, his is guilt by association?   In which case, I must plead guilty, M'Lud, as I have, in  my past, had contact with two definite 'undesirables' - because I knew them does not mean I condoned their behavior or was actively involved in their criminal activities.   James Cagney said in his biography that he knew murderers, gangsters and the like - but he did live in the Lower East Side of NY.   Sorry, bit of a ramble there, but I think you get my drift.    I'll get my coat.    LL      

Yer, me too, LL.  I tend not to dump my friends just because I don't approve of their lifestyles.  Although perhaps Prince Andrew should have been a bit more careful.

So these girls were carted kicking and screaming half way around The World?  I don't think so, somehow.

If I dumped on my friends, many of whom might be of a dubious nature, then I am daring to judge and that I will not do. Yes, Andrew made a mistake, but can any of us maintain we haven't done something stupid in our lives? Cast the first stone and all that? LL

Well, personally, I would dump a 'friend' that had been convicted of prostituting under-age girls like a hot potato......

I don't know, but I have a feeling that whatever has been going on, the truth is going to be buried in lurid headlines about Randy Andy, Fergie, Mandy and all the rest of the zeleb/political circus.

If the allegations against Prince A., and this high-powered US lawyer, have no truth to them, then the whole issue will be dead and buried for all time.

I'm not greatly interested in conspiraloon ramblings from one-handed typists. What does bother me is that a Florida police chief with no axe to grind was stone-walled when he tried to get to the bottom of all this.

Well, personally, I would dump a 'friend' that had been convicted of prostituting under-age girls like a hot potato......

Indeed, I totally agree with you, but as I don't know anyone who does that .... I think we just need to wait and see. LL

It's The Age of Consent that bothers me. In France it is 15. But it does vary quite drastically in different countries. So who's to say that 17 is underaged?
However, the rule of law must be attended to. I just wish that there was some uniformity about this.