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Alluring: Many Russians consider Alina Kabayeva the country's undeclared First Lady
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The lady friend is certainly an improvement on Michelle - something else which will doubtless annoy Obama.
This uproar over Putin not being seen for a couple of days is bizarre; most Americans would cheer if they never saw Obama again......
Has it not occurred to any of them to check the Kremlin's official diary? After all, it is online, and in English:
http://eng.kremlin.ru/
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Check that website? No, too lazy to do that. Better to believe what you are told to believe instead.
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You know, if Obama wasn't seen for a few days:
1. No-one would believe for a nanosecond that it was because his girlfriend had just given birth.
2. Most Americans would cheer.
1. No-one would believe for a nanosecond that it was because his girlfriend had just given birth.
2. Most Americans would cheer.
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They would think he was at a new out of the way golf course.
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http://rt.com/usa/240829-kill-russians-fox-general-defiant/
‘Didn’t know they watch Fox in Russia’: Defiant ‘kill Russians’ US ex-general insists he told ‘truth’
Scales was seemingly surprised by the fact that his words reached the Russians at all: “I got emails today from people in Russia I never heard of before. I didn’t know Fox News was watched in Russia.”
In the end, he insisted that everything he told Fox was “the truth.”
“Fox is not Vladimir Putin’s favorite network, because as you saw me on the clip you ran, we’re trying to tell the truth about what’s going on in places like Ukraine and places like Iran,” the former major general said.
What an utter moron! Has he NO idea of the damage he's done to America, on top of everything else, babbling on about wanting to kill Russians?
What would the US reaction be if some ancient Russian general babbled about killing Americans?
As for not knowing Fox reaches just about the entire world - he must think this is 1960, or something.
And I suspect Fox is actually Putin's favourite network, because fools like him only help paint the Kremlin in a good light, and the US as warmongering thugs, hellbent on killing Russian people.
I haven't seen Fox ever tell the truth about the Ukraine; if it did, it would have shown all those videos of people being burned to death in Odessa by the Nazi scum the US is supporting.
‘Didn’t know they watch Fox in Russia’: Defiant ‘kill Russians’ US ex-general insists he told ‘truth’
Scales was seemingly surprised by the fact that his words reached the Russians at all: “I got emails today from people in Russia I never heard of before. I didn’t know Fox News was watched in Russia.”
In the end, he insisted that everything he told Fox was “the truth.”
“Fox is not Vladimir Putin’s favorite network, because as you saw me on the clip you ran, we’re trying to tell the truth about what’s going on in places like Ukraine and places like Iran,” the former major general said.
What an utter moron! Has he NO idea of the damage he's done to America, on top of everything else, babbling on about wanting to kill Russians?
What would the US reaction be if some ancient Russian general babbled about killing Americans?
As for not knowing Fox reaches just about the entire world - he must think this is 1960, or something.
And I suspect Fox is actually Putin's favourite network, because fools like him only help paint the Kremlin in a good light, and the US as warmongering thugs, hellbent on killing Russian people.
I haven't seen Fox ever tell the truth about the Ukraine; if it did, it would have shown all those videos of people being burned to death in Odessa by the Nazi scum the US is supporting.
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An absolute idiot, Lily - and one that has done severe damage because of his ignorance of the year 2015. Fox - and his remarks - can be seen all over the world. I can watch Fox, RT, AJ, Indian news, Chinese state news, just about anything from anywhere.
So, how does he think that went down in the Middle East or Asia?
Like I say, can you imagine the reaction if a Russian general announced that the only solution is to 'kill Americans'? The world would be horrified, and rightly so.
So, how does he think that went down in the Middle East or Asia?
Like I say, can you imagine the reaction if a Russian general announced that the only solution is to 'kill Americans'? The world would be horrified, and rightly so.
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Fortunately, he is retired. That is the best I can say.
I wonder if he is suffering from dementia or simply foot in mouth disease?
I wonder if he is suffering from dementia or simply foot in mouth disease?
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http://news.sky.com/story/1445960/putin-makes-first-public-appearance-for-11-days
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared in public for the first time since 5 March.
The 62-year-old met Kyrgyzstan President Almazbek Atambayev at the Constantine Palace, outside St Petersburg, on Monday.
Commenting on speculation that ill health had forced him out of the public eye, Mr Putin said: "It would be boring without the gossip."
That'll be the meeting that was in the Kremlin diary, available online and in English, if any of the supposed 'journalists' in the West had bothered to look at it?
He's probably enjoyed trolling the hysterical morons for the past few days, especially if, as rumoured, he's been on paternity leave...
Oddly enough, I wouldn't care if I NEVER saw Cameron again, and I doubt if many Americans would miss Obama. What that says, I am none too sure.....
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has appeared in public for the first time since 5 March.
The 62-year-old met Kyrgyzstan President Almazbek Atambayev at the Constantine Palace, outside St Petersburg, on Monday.
Commenting on speculation that ill health had forced him out of the public eye, Mr Putin said: "It would be boring without the gossip."
That'll be the meeting that was in the Kremlin diary, available online and in English, if any of the supposed 'journalists' in the West had bothered to look at it?
He's probably enjoyed trolling the hysterical morons for the past few days, especially if, as rumoured, he's been on paternity leave...
Oddly enough, I wouldn't care if I NEVER saw Cameron again, and I doubt if many Americans would miss Obama. What that says, I am none too sure.....
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This should set the cat amongst the pigeons in Washington:
http://rt.com/news/240921-us-masterminds-ukraine-putin/
Putin in film on Crimea: US masterminds behind Ukraine coup, helped train radicals
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The Ukrainian armed coup was organized from Washington, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated in an interview for a new documentary aired Sunday. The Americans tried to hide behind the Europeans, but Moscow saw through the trick, he added.
“The trick of the situation was that outwardly the [Ukrainian] opposition was supported mostly by the Europeans. But we knew for sure that the real masterminds were our American friends,”Putin said in a documentary, 'Crimea - The Way Home,' aired by Rossiya 1 news channel.
“They helped training the nationalists, their armed groups, in Western Ukraine, in Poland and to some extent in Lithuania,” he added. “They facilitated the armed coup.”
They didn't even try to hide it, with that vile Nuland creature handing out cookies.
He also accused the beneficiaries of the coup of planning an assassination of then-President Viktor Yanukovich. Russia was prepared to act to ensure his escape, Putin said.
“I invited the heads of our special services, the Defense Ministry and ordered them to protect the life of the Ukrainian president. Otherwise he would have been killed,” he said, adding that at one point Russian signal intelligence, which was tracking the president’s motorcade route, realized that he was about to be ambushed.
Yanukovich himself didn’t want to leave and rejected the offer to be evacuated from Donetsk, Putin said. Only after spending several days in Crimea and realizing that “there was no one he could negotiate with in Kiev” he asked to be taken to Russia.
That makes rather more sense than the tale that was spun in our MSM.
According to Putin, part of the operation was to deploy K-300P Bastion coastal defense missiles to demonstrate Russia’s willingness to protect the peninsula from military attack.
“We deployed them in a way that made them seen clearly from space,” Putin said.
The president assured that the Russian military were prepared for any developments and would have armed nuclear weapons if necessary. He personally was not sure that Western nations would not use military force against Russia, he added.
I have NO doubt the cabal in Washington is mad enough to try it, if they thought they would get away with it. And isn't it odd how missile systems are clearly visible from space, but there isn't a single photo of the Evil Russkies 'invading' Donbass, despite them having done it two dozen times according to Kiev?
Oh, and Western spies in the sky weren't working when MH17 was shot down?
“Considering the ethnic composition of the Crimean population, the violence there would have been worse [than in Kiev]. We had to act to prevent negative development, not to allow tragedies like the one that happened in Odessa, where dozens of people were burned alive,” Putin said.
Thank God someone remembers what our neo-Nazi allies did to innocent people in Odessa.
http://rt.com/news/240921-us-masterminds-ukraine-putin/
Putin in film on Crimea: US masterminds behind Ukraine coup, helped train radicals
Quotes:
The Ukrainian armed coup was organized from Washington, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated in an interview for a new documentary aired Sunday. The Americans tried to hide behind the Europeans, but Moscow saw through the trick, he added.
“The trick of the situation was that outwardly the [Ukrainian] opposition was supported mostly by the Europeans. But we knew for sure that the real masterminds were our American friends,”Putin said in a documentary, 'Crimea - The Way Home,' aired by Rossiya 1 news channel.
“They helped training the nationalists, their armed groups, in Western Ukraine, in Poland and to some extent in Lithuania,” he added. “They facilitated the armed coup.”
They didn't even try to hide it, with that vile Nuland creature handing out cookies.
He also accused the beneficiaries of the coup of planning an assassination of then-President Viktor Yanukovich. Russia was prepared to act to ensure his escape, Putin said.
“I invited the heads of our special services, the Defense Ministry and ordered them to protect the life of the Ukrainian president. Otherwise he would have been killed,” he said, adding that at one point Russian signal intelligence, which was tracking the president’s motorcade route, realized that he was about to be ambushed.
Yanukovich himself didn’t want to leave and rejected the offer to be evacuated from Donetsk, Putin said. Only after spending several days in Crimea and realizing that “there was no one he could negotiate with in Kiev” he asked to be taken to Russia.
That makes rather more sense than the tale that was spun in our MSM.
According to Putin, part of the operation was to deploy K-300P Bastion coastal defense missiles to demonstrate Russia’s willingness to protect the peninsula from military attack.
“We deployed them in a way that made them seen clearly from space,” Putin said.
The president assured that the Russian military were prepared for any developments and would have armed nuclear weapons if necessary. He personally was not sure that Western nations would not use military force against Russia, he added.
I have NO doubt the cabal in Washington is mad enough to try it, if they thought they would get away with it. And isn't it odd how missile systems are clearly visible from space, but there isn't a single photo of the Evil Russkies 'invading' Donbass, despite them having done it two dozen times according to Kiev?
Oh, and Western spies in the sky weren't working when MH17 was shot down?
“Considering the ethnic composition of the Crimean population, the violence there would have been worse [than in Kiev]. We had to act to prevent negative development, not to allow tragedies like the one that happened in Odessa, where dozens of people were burned alive,” Putin said.
Thank God someone remembers what our neo-Nazi allies did to innocent people in Odessa.
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Incidentally, why does the Western media NEVER mention that Crimea first voted to split from Ukraine in 1992? And promptly got trampled on by Kiev?
Our Brave NATO lads pose for the camera:
Can't think why Crimeans didn't want that scum on their territory....
Our Brave NATO lads pose for the camera:
Can't think why Crimeans didn't want that scum on their territory....
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-16/putin-reappears-puts-40000-troops-full-alert-part-snap-readiness-exercises
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US muppet says that the US should be killing tens of thousands of Russians, twice, while US troops and equipment stream into Russia's neighbours.
Western world apparently "alarmed" and "concerned" that Russia would respond by putting their armed forces on alert.
Quite. That old fool of a general has done incalculable damage, especially as his remarks went all over the world.
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US muppet says that the US should be killing tens of thousands of Russians, twice, while US troops and equipment stream into Russia's neighbours.
Western world apparently "alarmed" and "concerned" that Russia would respond by putting their armed forces on alert.
Quite. That old fool of a general has done incalculable damage, especially as his remarks went all over the world.
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Drunken Kiev troops in APC mow down women and children:
http://rt.com/news/241293-ukraine-army-konstantinovka-violence/
Ukraine cops get ‘shoot-to-kill orders’ amid unrest over army hit & run killing of 8yo
Published time: March 16, 2015 21:55
Edited time: March 17, 2015 05:47 Get short URL
Police have reportedly been allowed to use live rounds as tensions flare in the eastern Ukrainian town of Konstantinovka, where an eight-year-old girl was killed in a hit-and-run accident by a Ukrainian forces’ armored vehicle.
Tensions have been boiling in Konstantinovka after Ukrainian soldiers driving through the town at high speed lost control of their vehicle and ran into a crowd of pedestrians, hitting a woman with a baby in a stroller and killing the older girl.
“The accident occurred at the Lomonosov Street near City Hospital No. 5. Three pedestrians suffered under the wheels of the fighting vehicle: A girl aged eight died on the spot, a woman and a child in a stroller were taken to hospital,” Ukraine's Interior Ministry reported Monday night.
Locals believe the driver of the vehicle was drunk at the time of the accident. According to local press, the perpetrators barely escaped the scene of the crime, as the fury of the locals erupted in clashes, with stones being thrown at security vehicles. Other residents were quick to surround the army barracks, where warning shots were reportedly fired.
Following the incident, enraged people gathered in front of the military unit stationed in the local school building, demanding the military surrender those who were involved in the hit and run accident, Sputnik reported. The crowd has also reportedly set fire to the entrance of the dorms of the Ukrainian forces.
According to Popular Front deputy Anton Gerashchenko, shoot-to-kill orders are enforced in Konstantinovka, to stop those trying to “incite” the violence.
“If someone in Kostyantynivka uses arms to oppose the laws of the Ukrainian authorities, uses this accident (hit and run) for mass unrest, then we will fire one warning shot, and then will be shooting to kill. If there is no time to warn , we will be shooting to kill immediately,” said Gerashchenko. “No one is allowed to undermine the Ukrainian government with arms in their hands.”
The Ukrainian soldiers responsible for the incident reportedly fled the scene in a taxi. Authorities later announced that the perpetrators were detained.
“Those responsible for the accident, two soldiers, were detained and handed over to the military prosecutor,” announced Vyacheslav Abroskin, head of Donetsk Regional Police, loyal to Kiev.
According to unconfirmed reports on social media, additional reinforcements were dispatched to Konstantinovka to quell the unrest. Some alleged those might include members of the radical nationalist units. Meanwhile Ukraine’s Interior Ministry announced that a task force from the General Staff of the Armed Forces was sent to lead the investigation, promising to punish those responsible.
Kiev authorities also report that they have singled out the individual they believe was solely responsible for the en masse reaction against the negligence of Kiev’s forces. A Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesman for Donetsk Region, Ilya Kiva, promised that the “instigator” will soon be caught and be brought to justice. Kiva also urged Konstantinovka residents to stay calm and not to incite further violence.
Plenty of pics and videos on that link, so we can all see what EU and US taxpayers are paying for in Ukraine.
http://rt.com/news/241293-ukraine-army-konstantinovka-violence/
Ukraine cops get ‘shoot-to-kill orders’ amid unrest over army hit & run killing of 8yo
Published time: March 16, 2015 21:55
Edited time: March 17, 2015 05:47 Get short URL
Police have reportedly been allowed to use live rounds as tensions flare in the eastern Ukrainian town of Konstantinovka, where an eight-year-old girl was killed in a hit-and-run accident by a Ukrainian forces’ armored vehicle.
Tensions have been boiling in Konstantinovka after Ukrainian soldiers driving through the town at high speed lost control of their vehicle and ran into a crowd of pedestrians, hitting a woman with a baby in a stroller and killing the older girl.
“The accident occurred at the Lomonosov Street near City Hospital No. 5. Three pedestrians suffered under the wheels of the fighting vehicle: A girl aged eight died on the spot, a woman and a child in a stroller were taken to hospital,” Ukraine's Interior Ministry reported Monday night.
Locals believe the driver of the vehicle was drunk at the time of the accident. According to local press, the perpetrators barely escaped the scene of the crime, as the fury of the locals erupted in clashes, with stones being thrown at security vehicles. Other residents were quick to surround the army barracks, where warning shots were reportedly fired.
Following the incident, enraged people gathered in front of the military unit stationed in the local school building, demanding the military surrender those who were involved in the hit and run accident, Sputnik reported. The crowd has also reportedly set fire to the entrance of the dorms of the Ukrainian forces.
According to Popular Front deputy Anton Gerashchenko, shoot-to-kill orders are enforced in Konstantinovka, to stop those trying to “incite” the violence.
“If someone in Kostyantynivka uses arms to oppose the laws of the Ukrainian authorities, uses this accident (hit and run) for mass unrest, then we will fire one warning shot, and then will be shooting to kill. If there is no time to warn , we will be shooting to kill immediately,” said Gerashchenko. “No one is allowed to undermine the Ukrainian government with arms in their hands.”
The Ukrainian soldiers responsible for the incident reportedly fled the scene in a taxi. Authorities later announced that the perpetrators were detained.
“Those responsible for the accident, two soldiers, were detained and handed over to the military prosecutor,” announced Vyacheslav Abroskin, head of Donetsk Regional Police, loyal to Kiev.
According to unconfirmed reports on social media, additional reinforcements were dispatched to Konstantinovka to quell the unrest. Some alleged those might include members of the radical nationalist units. Meanwhile Ukraine’s Interior Ministry announced that a task force from the General Staff of the Armed Forces was sent to lead the investigation, promising to punish those responsible.
Kiev authorities also report that they have singled out the individual they believe was solely responsible for the en masse reaction against the negligence of Kiev’s forces. A Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesman for Donetsk Region, Ilya Kiva, promised that the “instigator” will soon be caught and be brought to justice. Kiva also urged Konstantinovka residents to stay calm and not to incite further violence.
Plenty of pics and videos on that link, so we can all see what EU and US taxpayers are paying for in Ukraine.
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More here on pro-Donbass blog:
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/konstantinovka-revolt-live-updates.html
LIVE UPDATES: Konstantinovka Revolt. Ukrainian soldiers, who ran over the kids, were drunk
On March 16, a Ukrainian military BMP ran over a mother and her two children (including one infant in a stroller), standing on a sidewalk at 14:30 local time in Konstantinovka. Eight year old girl Polina was killed immediately.
The 8 year-old girl killed in Konstantinovka on March 16, 2015
Reports indicated that the driver of the BMP was speeding, some reported he was drunk
More videos on that site - no need to speak Russian, it's glaringly obvious what is going on. Strangely, I can't find this story anywhere in our so-called 'free media'.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/konstantinovka-revolt-live-updates.html
LIVE UPDATES: Konstantinovka Revolt. Ukrainian soldiers, who ran over the kids, were drunk
On March 16, a Ukrainian military BMP ran over a mother and her two children (including one infant in a stroller), standing on a sidewalk at 14:30 local time in Konstantinovka. Eight year old girl Polina was killed immediately.
The 8 year-old girl killed in Konstantinovka on March 16, 2015
Reports indicated that the driver of the BMP was speeding, some reported he was drunk
More videos on that site - no need to speak Russian, it's glaringly obvious what is going on. Strangely, I can't find this story anywhere in our so-called 'free media'.
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Some nice tweets there from the Ukrainian forces:
"The crowd is setting the dorms on fire!"
"Burn the vata!" (Russians)
"Where are the cops?"
"Why are they not shooting at katsap [Russian] bastards? Where is our pride? Death to the blue-faced slaves!"
"They are not human!"
"Kill and lynch vata [Russians]!
Kill cruelly and cynically. Death tot he Russian world."
Must be a retired general....
"Why are they running around with their kids? They should sit in basements, and not walk the streets!"
"They should run over all of these morons, from kids to the old"
"There are no people there. They are katsap sheep"
"Vata, vata, vata [Cotton, cotton, cotton - meaning "Russians"]"
"They should do a round into the crowd from a BTR"
"I would shoot up all of this katsap mop, and there would be no conflict, no screams, no flipping cars"
That is their fellow-Ukrainians the drunken thugs WE are paying for are talking about.....the original tweets are also there as screengrabs, for anyone with a Russian dictionary to read for themselves.
"The crowd is setting the dorms on fire!"
"Burn the vata!" (Russians)
"Where are the cops?"
"Why are they not shooting at katsap [Russian] bastards? Where is our pride? Death to the blue-faced slaves!"
"They are not human!"
"Kill and lynch vata [Russians]!
Kill cruelly and cynically. Death tot he Russian world."
Must be a retired general....
"Why are they running around with their kids? They should sit in basements, and not walk the streets!"
"They should run over all of these morons, from kids to the old"
"There are no people there. They are katsap sheep"
"Vata, vata, vata [Cotton, cotton, cotton - meaning "Russians"]"
"They should do a round into the crowd from a BTR"
"I would shoot up all of this katsap mop, and there would be no conflict, no screams, no flipping cars"
That is their fellow-Ukrainians the drunken thugs WE are paying for are talking about.....the original tweets are also there as screengrabs, for anyone with a Russian dictionary to read for themselves.
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I was fascinated to learn that President Reagan referred to the advisors that have been behind so many US foreign policy disasters in recent years as, 'The crazies in the basement'.
It's a great pity for the US and the wider world that the crazies escaped, IMO. He must turn in his grave to see so much of the work he did towards a more peaceful world destroyed.
It's a great pity for the US and the wider world that the crazies escaped, IMO. He must turn in his grave to see so much of the work he did towards a more peaceful world destroyed.
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Yes he must indeed, Bonny. Fortunately his remains are in a wonderful part of the world.
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This is a pro-Donbass and Russia blog, but numbers don't lie:
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/on-march-17-1991-70-of-ukrainians-voted.html
On March 17, 1991, 70% of Ukrainians voted to remain inside USSR
KR: What happens when borders do not correspond to the wishes of the population? That's right, wars...On the former territory of USSR democracy was violated at its most fundamental level. All the future conflicts were sealed in 1991.
Galicia did not become "Soviet" in 50 years, and Donbass and Crimea could not become "Ukrainian" in 23 years either.
Yet the US/EU/NATO have ignored that, and encouraged the Galician tail to wag the dog. Incidentally, the worst of the neo-Nazis spring from that area, which was formerly Polish.
That's how long 'Ukraine' has existed for - 24 years. With the views of the majority being ignored.
Then last year, the US openly led a coup which overturned a democratically-elected, if thieving, president, and installed a regime of unelected, thieving, nazi sympathizer puppets.
Crimea was saved from the bloodshed, ruin and terror inflicted on Donbass - but the US STILL thinks it has the right to sieze Crimea and turn all those people over to the Nazi scum.
What does Washington intend to do? Kill every man, woman and child in Crimea and Donbass to Freedumb them, as they have hundreds of thousands of other innocents in Libya, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere? And threaten the survival of the entire world while they do so?
WE ARE NOT THE GOOD GUYS.
Look at the date on this:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE129520_a.html
Hilary Clinton, Poroshenko and co were plotting this in 2009. Though the plotting had begun even earlier:
http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukraines-new-president-works-for-the-us-state-department
The evidence that the U.S. was behind the toppling of the Ukrainian government early this year is so overwhelming at this point that the subject really isn't up for debate, however initially it was unclear how the election of Petro Poroshenko fit in. The ecstatic response by Washington when he was declared the winner, and their unbending support in spite of his ongoing military assault against civilians in the east, made it clear that he was the chosen one, but the paper trail wasn't immediately obvious.
As it turns out, the evidence that Poroshenko is in the pocket of the U.S. State Department has been available all this time, you just had to know where to find it. In a classified diplomatic cable from 2006 released by Wikileaks.org, U.S. officials refer to Poroshenko as "Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko".
All this is easily findable on the internet, and easily checked. But Western MSM are choosing to ignore it, and in a perversion of truth and reality, paint us as Freedumb-bringing heroes, and Russia as the bad guys.
All the while beating the drums for war with a first-world nuclear superpower.
http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/on-march-17-1991-70-of-ukrainians-voted.html
On March 17, 1991, 70% of Ukrainians voted to remain inside USSR
KR: What happens when borders do not correspond to the wishes of the population? That's right, wars...On the former territory of USSR democracy was violated at its most fundamental level. All the future conflicts were sealed in 1991.
Galicia did not become "Soviet" in 50 years, and Donbass and Crimea could not become "Ukrainian" in 23 years either.
Yet the US/EU/NATO have ignored that, and encouraged the Galician tail to wag the dog. Incidentally, the worst of the neo-Nazis spring from that area, which was formerly Polish.
That's how long 'Ukraine' has existed for - 24 years. With the views of the majority being ignored.
Then last year, the US openly led a coup which overturned a democratically-elected, if thieving, president, and installed a regime of unelected, thieving, nazi sympathizer puppets.
Crimea was saved from the bloodshed, ruin and terror inflicted on Donbass - but the US STILL thinks it has the right to sieze Crimea and turn all those people over to the Nazi scum.
What does Washington intend to do? Kill every man, woman and child in Crimea and Donbass to Freedumb them, as they have hundreds of thousands of other innocents in Libya, Iraq, Syria and elsewhere? And threaten the survival of the entire world while they do so?
WE ARE NOT THE GOOD GUYS.
Look at the date on this:
https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE129520_a.html
Hilary Clinton, Poroshenko and co were plotting this in 2009. Though the plotting had begun even earlier:
http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukraines-new-president-works-for-the-us-state-department
The evidence that the U.S. was behind the toppling of the Ukrainian government early this year is so overwhelming at this point that the subject really isn't up for debate, however initially it was unclear how the election of Petro Poroshenko fit in. The ecstatic response by Washington when he was declared the winner, and their unbending support in spite of his ongoing military assault against civilians in the east, made it clear that he was the chosen one, but the paper trail wasn't immediately obvious.
As it turns out, the evidence that Poroshenko is in the pocket of the U.S. State Department has been available all this time, you just had to know where to find it. In a classified diplomatic cable from 2006 released by Wikileaks.org, U.S. officials refer to Poroshenko as "Our Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko".
All this is easily findable on the internet, and easily checked. But Western MSM are choosing to ignore it, and in a perversion of truth and reality, paint us as Freedumb-bringing heroes, and Russia as the bad guys.
All the while beating the drums for war with a first-world nuclear superpower.
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Don't worry, Bonny. Many of the top elites have their bunkers all kitted out luxuriously.
lily- Slayer of scums
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Re: War in Ukraine
Oh, the elites will last about a week longer than the rest of us peasants, Lily. Because anyone left alive they expect to carry on enslaving will make a point of finishing off the architects of disaster. And if there are only a handful of elites left, they'll kill each other off fighting over the ashes.
Take a look at the crooks, conmen, international spivs, sex offenders and general scum, I mean, statesmen and financiers who had a get-together in Yalta in 2013:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/09/other-yalta-conference
Lawrence Summers, a former American treasury secretary, and Robert Zoellick, an ex-head of the World Bank, were reflecting on the imbalances of the world economy. David Petraeus, a retired general and former head of the CIA, and Bill Richardson, a former energy secretary, talked about the shale-gas revolution that is changing the balance of power between Russia and the West. Mr Pinchuk himself was having a ball, moderating a session between Tony Blair and Bill Clinton.
How much would you like to bet that the Clintons pictured themselves installed in one of those old palaces as Tzar and Tzarina Clinton, aka, the US Consulate?
The end of that piece shows just how badly wrong the 'experts' got it:
Russia is fast losing Ukraine through its own arrogance and bullying. The contrast between the way Ukraine is treated by Russia and the West was only too obvious in Yalta. Whereas America was represented by a dozen high-level officials, including the former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, who gave a speech, Russia did not even bother to send its ambassador. Its only representative was Sergei Glaziev, a nationalist-minded economic advisor to Mr Putin, whose job was to warn Ukraine against a “suicidal” step. He was also said to be the author of a leaked plan that proposed “putting pressure from all sides, creating a sense of inevitability of joining the [customs] union as way of survival for the ruling elite”.
If this was the plan, it achieved the opposite result. Mr Glaziev’s contemptuous speech in Yalta (he accused Ukrainian officials of not even reading the association agreement they were signing) prompted an ironic comment from Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian trade minister and chocolate maker, whose sweet wares were hit by Russian sanctions. “For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration and less than 30% of people support close ties with Russia. Thank you very much for that, Mr Glazyev,” he said. If Ukraine signs the EU association agreement in Vilnius, it may consider sending a thank-you note to Mr Putin.
They had it all planned out, didn't they? I can only assume that Porky only asked other thieving oligarchs and neo-nazis what they wanted, as what actually happened could scarcely be further removed from all their dreams of joyous EU hugs, kisses and free money.
It also demonstrates how dumb 'experts' are when they only see what they want to see.
Take a look at the crooks, conmen, international spivs, sex offenders and general scum, I mean, statesmen and financiers who had a get-together in Yalta in 2013:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2013/09/other-yalta-conference
Lawrence Summers, a former American treasury secretary, and Robert Zoellick, an ex-head of the World Bank, were reflecting on the imbalances of the world economy. David Petraeus, a retired general and former head of the CIA, and Bill Richardson, a former energy secretary, talked about the shale-gas revolution that is changing the balance of power between Russia and the West. Mr Pinchuk himself was having a ball, moderating a session between Tony Blair and Bill Clinton.
How much would you like to bet that the Clintons pictured themselves installed in one of those old palaces as Tzar and Tzarina Clinton, aka, the US Consulate?
The end of that piece shows just how badly wrong the 'experts' got it:
Russia is fast losing Ukraine through its own arrogance and bullying. The contrast between the way Ukraine is treated by Russia and the West was only too obvious in Yalta. Whereas America was represented by a dozen high-level officials, including the former secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, who gave a speech, Russia did not even bother to send its ambassador. Its only representative was Sergei Glaziev, a nationalist-minded economic advisor to Mr Putin, whose job was to warn Ukraine against a “suicidal” step. He was also said to be the author of a leaked plan that proposed “putting pressure from all sides, creating a sense of inevitability of joining the [customs] union as way of survival for the ruling elite”.
If this was the plan, it achieved the opposite result. Mr Glaziev’s contemptuous speech in Yalta (he accused Ukrainian officials of not even reading the association agreement they were signing) prompted an ironic comment from Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian trade minister and chocolate maker, whose sweet wares were hit by Russian sanctions. “For the first time in our history more than 50% of people support European integration and less than 30% of people support close ties with Russia. Thank you very much for that, Mr Glazyev,” he said. If Ukraine signs the EU association agreement in Vilnius, it may consider sending a thank-you note to Mr Putin.
They had it all planned out, didn't they? I can only assume that Porky only asked other thieving oligarchs and neo-nazis what they wanted, as what actually happened could scarcely be further removed from all their dreams of joyous EU hugs, kisses and free money.
It also demonstrates how dumb 'experts' are when they only see what they want to see.
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Re: War in Ukraine
They had it plotted every step of the way and the plebs soak it up.
lily- Slayer of scums
- Join date : 2011-06-24
Re: War in Ukraine
The megalomaniacs behind this appear to have forgotten what befell previous megalomaniacs when they tried to bully Russia, Lily. With any luck, their schemes are going to come to a similar grinding halt - though hopefully without bloodshed. Unless it's their own, for a change, when the good people of America find out the truth about their insane 'leaders'.
bb1- Slayer of scums
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That is what the good people believe, Bonny. I think that most of us believe in the triumph of good over evil?
lily- Slayer of scums
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