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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:40 pm

http://www.rt.com/news/315293-schengen-border-control-toughened/

17:33 GMT
The European Union is capable of giving shelter to a limited number of asylum seekers. Once the limit is reached, the rest will have to head back to safe countries in the Middle East, where "they can live in security and without persecution," Germany's interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said on Saturday in an interview with Germany’s Der Spiegel.

"We cannot accept all the people who are fleeing conflict zones or poverty and want to come to Europe or Germany," he said.

The conservative minister also called for the reduction of benefits for migrants and refugees as well for the implementation of the so-called Dublin Regulation, which requires sending each person back to the first EU country that they reached.

The proposals were met with disapproval from Britain and eastern European countries.

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Oh, I can see them clamouring to go to Albania - not. No free stuff.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:46 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/migrants-turkey-greece-border-demand-passage-europe-174129526.html;_ylt=A0LEVjmfqv1VKLQAwj5jmolQ

Edirne (Turkey) (AFP) - Tensions rose Saturday in the northwestern Turkish city of Edirne, where around 2,000 migrants have been blocked by police from reaching the nearby border with Greece for nearly a week.

The migrants have been facing off with police since Tuesday, when local authorities sealed off the main road from the east to groups of mostly Syrian refugees arriving from other parts of Turkey.

The standoff has been devoid of the violence that has characterised confrontations between migrants and police in some parts of Europe but tensions edged higher on Saturday afternoon, with riot police using batons to disperse a group of around 300 people who tried to force their way past police lines.

The demonstrating migrants were from a group that has been refusing to budge from the road outside Edirne.

Around 1,000 migrants, many of them children, spent another night in makeshift camps by the roadside, around 10 kilometres (six miles) from the Greek border and 20 km from the border with Bulgaria.

Hundreds more accepted the city's offer of a tent, showers and hot meal in a stadium used for traditional Turkish oil wrestling competitions.

The migrants are demanding to be allowed to cross into Greece by land instead of risking their lives in overcrowded migrant boats in the Aegean Sea.

"Open the doors," the group of migrants that tried to storm police barricades chanted.

One refugee hurled excrement at the officers, an AFP photographer witnessed.
....more at link.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:20 pm

17:33 GMT
The European Union is capable of giving shelter to a limited number of asylum seekers. Once the limit is reached, the rest will have to head back to safe countries in the Middle East, where "they can live in security and without persecution," Germany's interior minister Thomas de Maiziere said on Saturday in an interview with Germany’s Der Spiegel.



That's more like it.  


Turkey won't stand for all that "open the doors" nonsense.
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Post  bb1 Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:26 pm

Should be, er, interesting to watch Germany try to put this particular genie back in the bottle, Lily.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:56 pm

Oh yes....maybe they will make it into a musical some day.....Pcorneater
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A movie might be better - Gates of Vienna 2.
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Post  lily Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:00 pm

Indeed. Pcorneater
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:31 am

http://www.unzensuriert.at/content/0018779-20-Asylwerber-traten-Hungerstreik-Sie-fordern-2000-Euro-netto-Taschengeld

20 asylum seekers went on hunger strike: They demand 2,000 euros net pocket money

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The refugee crisis has many faces. A particularly ugly currently get to see the Carinthian. In St. Kanzian am Klopeinersee were 20 asylum seekers on hunger strike: They demand 2,000 euros net per month pocket money and instead of strangers cards that are given to you as an asylum seeker, a proper passport. The incident on Wednesday, says a police report. The chairman of the Carinthian Freedom Party, Christian Ragger, described this action as "outrageous demands", which shows that some speculated to be able to exploit the welfare state.

Press conference did not materialize

"The whole thing shows that you have to the question of refugees approaching very differentiated. Obviously there among refugees throughout misconceptions of what to expect in Austria or Germany. Asylum brings rights and responsibilities. About the latter is hardly informed," said Ragger. In order to enforce their demands for more pocket money, came the asylum not only on hunger strike, but they wanted to - as it became known - also organize a press conference, the then but did not materialize. Use the media that are aware of this issue, it was hoped apparently even more support for the desire for more pocket money.

Particularly outrageous the claim of the 20 hunger strikers from St. Kanzian appears when one uses the income of the Austrians for comparison. So a minimum pensioner comes to no more than 872.31 euros per month (according to Pension Insurance Institution). But of which he must cover its housing needs also. Even a couple who refers Mind Espen Sion does not come to more than 1307.89 Euro, although it has worked hard all his life in Austria and the country paid taxes. But with these people currently has none of the government members compassion. The currently heard throughout the refugees.



Who wouldn't want to be given 2,000 euros of taxpayers' money every month? Rolling Eyes  And they aren't 'asylum seekers', they are illegal immigrants.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:14 pm

No wonder they look so, well....sad.  Did Soros not come through for them?
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:21 pm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.676820?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Arson Attack Targets Planned German Refugee Center
Victimless arson attack signifies growing tension as refugee flow increases

John O'Donnell Sep 20, 2015 2:40 PM

REUTERS - Police in Germany said on Sunday there had been an arson attack on a planned accommodation centre for migrants in the southwestern state of Baden-Wuerttemberg, the latest sign of tension as migrants flow to the country.
Police in the city of Heilbronn said no-one had been in the sports hall in nearby Wertheim at the time of the attack and it was not possible to enter the building because of fire damage.
The attack came as a senior member of parliament in Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative sister party, the Christian Social Union (CSU), spoke out in favour of tighter rules on granting asylum.

"Those who are not in danger should leave Germany as quickly as possible," Gerda Hasselfeldt told the Welt newspaper.
"We have to set clear priorities. We need our energy and resources for those who are fleeing war and persecution."
The comments came as Hungary and Croatia traded threats as thousands of migrants poured over their borders, deepening the disarray in Europe over how to handle the crisis.


"Those who are not in danger should leave Germany as quickly as possible," Gerda Hasselfeldt told the Welt newspaper


And how does Germany plan to get rid of their unwelcome visitors, pray tell - besides by using force? I have this odd feeling that the sight of the German military rounding people up and forcing them onto trains may be the finall straw for the tottering European 'Union'.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 2:31 pm

Amazing the number of 'doctors' and 'engineers' there are in Syria! Here's yet another one - this one has turned to human trafficking to make a crust:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11877299/Syrian-doctor-turned-people-smuggler-who-has-made-60000-this-month-alone.html

Abu Mahmoud is richer than he has ever been, even when he was a doctor in Aleppo. Smuggling Syrians into Europe has made him $100,000 (£60,000) this month alone. But it is not an easy life.
He is, for one thing, busy. An interview in an Istanbul cafe takes hours, as it is interrupted by constant calls to his three mobile phones.
The cafe is on a main thoroughfare busy with Turks walking home from work and thousands of refugees, who gather in the plaza around the Metro station and in a nearby park.
His trade is open. The waiters know who the smugglers are, when asked, while the park is the unofficial stop for the minibuses that ferry refugees to Izmir, the coastal city from where boats head to Greece.
Some calls are from clients. Some are from his fixers: one bus-load of refugees has been intercepted by police and is being escorted back to the city. “Tell them they won’t have to stay a single extra night in Istanbul,” he says reassuringly down the phone. “I will send them straight back.”
One call is from a family pleading with him to take them to Greece. “Not until I’ve been paid for your brother,” he says, referring to a relative who has already made it to mainland Europe but whose $1,100 (£700) payment for the crossing is not yet forthcoming.
Then there are also the raids: the day before, the police arrived at his office, requiring a bribe of $1,000 (£600) to get rid of them.
These difficulties are, for him, trivial. The biggest crisis for Abu Mahmoud - not his real name - came four months ago, when he was tipped off that his name was on an Interpol wanted list. He checked this information, he said, with a contact who is a general in the Syrian police force, who confirmed it.
At the time, he was based in the Turkish city of Mersin, on the south-east coast much closer to Syria and at the end of a ferry route from Lebanon much used by refugees wanting to get to Europe. He was running much bigger boats, with hundreds of passengers, all the way to Italy, and taking in large sums, but he had to close his entire operation down.
After he had repaid his debts and the money paid by clients waiting for rides, he was left with nothing and had to start again.
Of course that was not the real disaster.
The real disaster is the the war in Syria and the subsequent events that have turned thousands of ordinary people, like Abu Mahmoud, into criminals.

When the rebels moved in and seized half of the city of Aleppo in July 2012, he ended up being hunted by both sides. The Assad regime wanted to find him because he treated wounded activists and rebels; the insurgents, meanwhile, decided he was pro-regime. So he fled.
He decided to go to Europe, starting in Turkey and booking a place on a boat with two cousins and a friend. It sank. He saw women and children drown in front of him, despite his efforts to save them, he said.
He and his cousins could swim, and survived for 11 hours in the water before being picked up.
He made other attempts, all unsuccessful, until he had accumulated such a network of contacts, of smugglers and other Syrian refugees, that he became more useful in Turkey, putting people in touch with each other.
“At first, I wouldn’t accept any commission,” said Abu Mahmoud. “Then I needed money to survive and I had family to support. Then I found it was good business.” He eventually moved on from accepting commissions to setting up on his own.
"They trust me because I was a doctor," he said.

In Mersin, he would buy his own boats which, since they were going all the way to Italy, would be used only once. They would be impounded by the Italian coastguard, which intercepted them. The cost for that trip was $5,000 (£3,000) per refugee, but with sums like that he could afford the loss of the boat.
In Istanbul, he works through Turkish gangs - the trade is dominated by Turkish mafia. He has 15 employees finding clients and escorting them to the coast, but the heavy work - running the boats - is done by the gangs, to whom he pays $850 of the $1,100. Still, that is $250 to his business per person.
Now, though, he says he is in the processing of buying a rubber dinghy and a fishing boat to run voyages himself.
Altogether, he says he has sent 8,000 to 9,000 people to Italy and Greece in the last two years “without a single sinking or drowning”.
He links the current surge in numbers directly to European government policy, in particular Greece’s decision to open its borders to the north.
He said the actual process of smuggling people to Greece had got harder - despite the thousands of dollars in bribes paid to Turkish police to turn a blind eye. But the refugees knew now that once they reached Greece they could move on to wealthier, northern countries.
“It’s easier to get smuggled on from Greece, because they opened the border,” he said.

He said this was reflected in the costs, with Germany now seen as a reasonably “cheap” option.
While he charged $1,100 (£700) for a crossing to Greece per refugee, to get to Germany might cost 2,000 euros, but to go on to Sweden or Norway, which are seen to have generous asylum and resettlement policies, costs another 3,000 or 4,000 euros on top.
He adds: "I just want to send this message to the EU. Refugees will come to your countries even if they close all the borders. They will dig tunnels if necessary.
"So why don't they arrange to take refugees through the UN? Why do they let people pay the mafia? Let them go legally to your countries. Why do they allow people to put themselves at risk? A lot of people are now food for the fishes."

...more at link.
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Which they wouldn't be if they had stayed in safe refugee camps instead of handing over money to criminal scum like him.

Why the f*** should we pay to take fake 'refugees' into Europe? How about some consideration for Europeans for a change, who don't want to see their children and grandchildren grow up in formerly-civilised European nations that have been destroyed by armies of young men intent on inflicting a totally alien belief system on the rest of us? And demanding we pay them to do so?


"They trust me because I was a doctor," he said.


More fool them, then.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:03 pm

He's a scumbag of the highest order.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:20 pm

http://www.rt.com/news/316012-syria-government-rebels-ceasefire/

Ceasefire between government forces & militants begins in 3 Syria battlegrounds


Syrian government military forces and Islamist militants have agreed a ceasefire for an undeclared period of time in three areas starting from midday on Sunday, according to a monitoring group and a city official.
READ MORE: Jihadists massacre 56 Syrian soldiers at captured air base

Two villages, Fuaa and Kafraya, in northwestern Idlib province, which are still controlled by the government, and a rebels’ stronghold in the town of Zabadani at the Lebanese border are subject to a ceasefire beginning Sunday at noon, a member of the town council, told AFP.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), which also confirmed the information, said the length of the ceasefire hadn’t been revealed, but negotiations to extend the truce will continue.

"There is calm in Fuaa, Kafraya and Zabadani. There is no shelling and there have been no violations of the ceasefire since noon (0900 GMT)," said Rami Abdel Rahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

READ MORE: Russia may mull expedition to Syria if request lodged – Peskov

This is the third ceasefire attempt. Last month’s two previous rounds of negotiations ended in stalemate.
...more at link.

Don't tell the the prospect of being on the receiving end of the Russian military has put the snackbars off the whole idea of jihad?
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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:07 pm

Let us hope so.  biggrin
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 4:35 pm

An interesting piece:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-20/us-syria-strategy-officially-unravels-kerry-admits-timetable-assad-exit-completely-u


US Syria Strategy Officially Unravels: Kerry Admits Timetable For Assad Exit Is Completely Unknown

Just STFU, Kerry. You, William Hague and John McCain - here proudly posing with al-Nusrah terrorists:

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have oceans of Syrian blood on your hands.
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The Syrian man accused of having fought for ISIS lives in a shelter in the north-east region of Brandenburg


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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:03 pm

They must be checking that guy out like crazy?

The article in the zh link you posted above, is really interesting, Bonny.  Makes sense.
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Wet conditions: Police try and control migrants as they desperately try to board a train heading for Zagreb from Tovarnik station today

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242052/Hungary-reopens-border-crossing-Serbia-sealing-five-days-7-000-refugees-expected-arrive-Austria.html#ixzz3mJn1WWnd
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Women and children last as usual. No doubt that's another train that will need to be scrubbed out and decontaminated after they've trashed it.
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Mobile: A woman with her cat uses her phone while waiting near the border crossing between Obrezje in Slovenia and Bregana in Croatia

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That lady and her pet should be let in ASAP - she's one of the few behaving like a decent, civilised human being.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:10 pm

I don't know about anyone else, but I am feeling overwhelmed seeing photo after photo of massive amounts of people, day after day.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:26 pm

I know, Lily, it's just awful - I am sick of the sight of these angry, aggressive moslem men and their unceasing demands. They've NOTHING to offer Europe, they will be a permanent drain on taxpayers - as well as very obvious security threats.

The young woman with her little cat struck me, because she is one of the few people I have seen demonstrating altruism and compassion, qualities which are welcome anywhere.

But these ghastly men - getting their families drowned because they want new teeth, trampling women and children underfoot, throwing food and water at the police, throwing babies at the police, trying to shove toddlers through razor wire - what nation on earth needs the likes of them.

It's a pity the women and children hadn't been separated from the men from the very start - and I don't care if that is 'sexist'.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:30 pm

They are what you have stated, Bonny.  Cannot fault one word.  Thank you for your post.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:18 pm

http://www.rt.com/news/316024-germany-fire-refugee-center/

No more refugees’: Arson attack destroys future German migration center (VIDEO)
Published time: 20 Sep, 2015 17:09

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A fire in a gym, destined to be a shelter for hundreds of migrants and refugees, means a southwestern German town is now unable to accommodate any more asylum seekers. Police suspect arson.
An overnight arson attack on a sports hall, prepared to become a migration center with capacity for 400 people, has put the building in danger of collapse, the dpa news agency reported on Sunday.

"No more refugees will come to [the town of] Wertheim, as there is no additional emergency accommodation," Hermann Schroeder from the Baden-Wuerttemberg state government said, as cited by dpa.

The town with a population of about 22,000 already has an accommodation center for 600 migrants and refugees, and it is unable to take in any more.
....more at link.

I am sure the locals will be heartbroken to hear that.
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Crying buckets as we speak......
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