Re-interment of King Richard III

This may interest you, LL, I was wandering around following links and found this take on history, and the week's events - from a Jesuit viewpoint:


https://www.thinkingfaith.org/node/1780

bb1 wrote:This may interest you, LL, I was wandering around following links and found this take on history, and  the week's events - from a Jesuit viewpoint:

https://www.thinkingfaith.org/node/1780

Good find, bonny! LL

There's interesting material appearing everywhere, LL - too much to keep up with, but worth noting for future reading. I hope Starkey doesn't see that, it will make him cry again.

That's a good pic of the stone base - I am glad they managed to get the incense off.

Okay, lassie, away ye gae tae C4! LL

Ah, we now have a YouTube of one of the, er, memorable moments. Unfortunately, it's the eye-roll...



https://youtu.be/ayI_w7Z83t8

Oh, in an earlier post you said something about wiping incense from the black marble - no, that was Holy Water, incense is smoke and rises up. LL

Ah, you can tell I was brought up neither Anglican nor Catholic, can't you?

bb1 wrote:Ah, you can tell I was brought up neither Anglican nor Catholic, can't you?

Haha, my dad was Church of Scotland, mum was RC. I was actually baptised into both as they were taking no chances. As dad said, both were Christian. LL

You know, if aliens beamed down from Mars right now, they would think England was laying to rest a beloved monarch who had only just been killed in battle.

The end of a wonderful 5 days.   You are home, Your Grace, Requiescat in Pace.  Lamplighter

I thought Fellowes had a functioning brain cell or two - I take it back. Man's an idiot.

That was beautifully done, and from the little we saw of the stone, it's going to be rather awesome on top of the black marble, under the stained glass window. The computer generations didn't really do it justice, IMO.

You must be so, so pleased, LL - after all these years, I don't think anyone foresaw anything like this happening. So glad you did.

Yes, dear lady, I am quite bowled over.   What an exciting time this has been.   I am also rather pleased that I have been able to chat to you and others on here and to find you are interested in my obsession!   I am now wondering how many 'Plantagenets' are going to climb out of the woodwork on the heels of Cumberbatch.   Do you think bentit is one?  LL

Bentit? A Plantagenet? No way! He'd be in bigot heaven if he was related to either of the horrid Cromwell, though.

bb1 wrote:Bentit? A Plantagenet? No way! He'd be in bigot heaven if he was related to either of the horrid Cromwell, though.

Just a wee thought.   After all, he looks quite regal, don't you think?   LL

So glad you've enjoyed it so much, LL. And thanks for all I've learned.

You are welcome ma petite.  

I have found something more - this time a podcast from the BBC radio - the Richard one can be found in the list on the right hand side of the page, Jan 6 2014, Great Lives Richard lll.  LL

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/greatlives

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007435/From-villain-hero-Richard-III-lies-state-Leicester-Cathedral-today-500-years-killed-battle-five-day-event-dubbed-pantomime-critics-continues.html

And guess what, the critics are pro-York, sour grapes reaction?    LL

http://www.channel4.com/news/richard-iii-king-burial-leicestershire-why-important

So far, no complete youtube postings of the ceremony, just short excerpts, including one of Cumberbatch and one of John Ashton-Hill eye-rolling. LL

The public will be able to view King Richard III's sealed tomb for the first time later when Leicester Cathedral is reopened.

The king's coffin was lowered into a vault below the cathedral floor during a reinterment service on Thursday.

A large piece of stone engraved with a deep cross lies on top of the tomb and 200 guests who won a ballot will be allowed to view it from 13:00 GMT.

The cathedral will open its doors to the public after the unveiling service.

The last Plantagenet king's remains were found beneath a Leicester car park in 2012.
Richard III's reburial service was held in Leicester Cathedral on Thursday

More than 20,000 people queued to see the coffin in the cathedral earlier this week and long queues are expected after the hour-long service.

Rev Pete Hobson, acting Canon Missioner of Leicester Cathedral, said: "We'll welcome as many people as we can - just keep moving people and you'll all get a look."

He added that the service would have a "lighter feel" than Thursday's ceremony, which was presided over by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

"Thursday was a day for the nation, Friday is a day for Leicester and Leicestershire," he said.

Later in the evening 8,000 candles will be lit in the city's Jubilee Square and Cathedral Gardens before a firework display on the cathedral roof.

The two-tonne tombstone is made from Swaledale fossil stone.
Large parts of the cathedral have been reordered to accommodate the tomb

The reburial has not been without controversy. Campaigners who petitioned for Richard III to be reburied in York have described the events in Leicester over the last week as a "pantomime".

Richard, the last English king to die in battle, was killed at Bosworth Field in 1485, at the end of the Wars of the Roses.

IMO, from the glimpses we saw of it being cut last night, that stone is going to look superb on the black marble, with the sunlight via the stained-glassed windows playing on it.

The computer imagery doesn't really do it justice, rather giving it the appearance of a slab of cheese.

The Yorkies are hilarious, aren't they - they remind me so much of the McCann-hater trolls. They really should make Starkey head of their campaign, they suit each other perfectly.

My Austrian grandpa, a very wise man, always told us kids that if you lose, do so with grace and dignity as the next time you might win.   The childishness of the PlantAllies is so ridiculous.   Originally I wanted Richard to go to York but then I looked at both sides and decided for Leicester.  This sour grapes outpouring makes me wonder whether there is some financial aspect of all this - York has the Jorvik Center, demanding Richard be buried there smacks, to me that is, of greed.    LL

They're absolute lunatics, LL. Today's mad stunt is this:


Leicester Cabal Hang your Heads in Shame
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We would say that Dean Vivian Faull should be ashamed of herself - but she wasn't when she stabbed Richard III in the back in 2012 /13 so it is highly unlikely she will now.
We expected her to be in her favourite City of Leicester today and staying there for the day - but no the Dean of YORK MINSTER Came back to ruin the solemn evensong by hyping up Leicester!
Hang your Heads in Shame Leicester Cabal - a Cabal that right from the start the Dean of Leicester now Dean of YORK was fully part - the conspiracy, the money grabbing and the betrayal of York and King Richard III

Naturally, there is also a petition to get the Dean sacked.

As far as I can make out from the ravings, Dean Faull said something nice about Leicester at a service in York Minster.

I don't know what their problem is, but I do smell ££££ at the back of it, what with York's ghastly 'Two Kings in One Day' tourist thing - since when was ANYONE interested in H7? Even Shakespeare couldn't summon any enthusiasm.

I actually prefer Leicester Cathedral, to be honest. I know the Minster is very big, with lots of spires, but it has become a bit, I don't know, dead over the years. It just doesn't do anything for me.

Leicester Cathedral seems to be much more lively, and an active part of the community. And it's totally UN-Christian for the Yorkies to make out the Minster is better because it's bigger; to a genuine Christian, the Almighty is just as present in the lowliest mission hut in Africa, as in a huge cathedral.

I am sure I read somewhere or other that the original church Leicester is built in is actually OLDER than the Minster, anyway.

Leicester Cathedral
A church dedicated to St Martin has been on the current site since 1086, when the older Saxon church was replaced by a Norman one. The church was elevated to Cathedral status in 1927.

York Minster
The minster is the seat of the Archbishop of York, the second-highest office of the Church of England. The first recorded church on the site was a wooden structure hurriedly built in 627 to provide a place to baptise Edwin, King of Northumbria. The current Norman style building dates from 1080, which has been added to over the centuries.

They are of comparable age. LL

Ah, right, thanks, LL.

I really don't think York could have done any better than Leicester this week; indeed, I suspect they would have done a lot worse.

So many of Leicester's ideas than seemed a little odd were actually inspired genius, like the return to Bosworth Field. The rather triumphal return of Richard's remains, this time, somehow - not wiped out, but overwritten, maybe, the first shameful business.

York simply could not have done that, or anything like it. What were they planning to do to be relevant? Stick papier mache models of the heads of Richard's father and brother on the town walls, as that was rather his first introduction to York?

Also, Leicester's uniqueness is somehow fitting; it's now very much Richard's town.



That is a stunning image, by any measure.

When E4 gave Richard the task of taming the unruly North Richard lived at Middleham, but York was his headquarters. The endowment of chantries was normal and Richard set up ones in Middleham and other places. If one was to nitpick then why was Gloucester not chosen - as Richard's dukedom's name it was as viable as York, IMO. Or how about laying him to rest at Fotheringhay with his parents? Or Windsor with E4? There are many places that could lay claim to him,. but he died near Leicester, he was buried in Leicester, no contest as far as I am concerned. LL