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Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Fiona Paterson for GOSH: any delay compounds the misery. We don’t wish to rush this but this can’t drag on into another day.
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Paterson for GOSH: Charlie must be transferred to a hospice, if that’s what’s to happen, no later than Friday.
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Fiona Paterson for GOSH: any delay compounds the misery. We don’t wish to rush this but this can’t drag on into another day.
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Paterson for GOSH: Charlie must be transferred to a hospice, if that’s what’s to happen, no later than Friday.
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Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Butler-Cole for guardian: parents should spend last few days of Charlie’s life with him, not with their lawyers.
Or arguing on social media.
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Butler-Cole for guardian: parents should spend last few days of Charlie’s life with him, not with their lawyers.
Or arguing on social media.
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
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The court has now been locked. Connie and her mother are inside. Wider family, press, public, legal teams all outside waiting.
Vincent McAvineyVerified account @Vinny_LBC 3h3 hours ago
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We've all just been allowed back in court, an incredibly distressed Connie Yates is shouting "what if it was your child". Connie now going.
Says she can't be in the same room as the judge, leaves saying "I hope you're happy with yourself". Judge about to return now
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The court has now been locked. Connie and her mother are inside. Wider family, press, public, legal teams all outside waiting.
Vincent McAvineyVerified account @Vinny_LBC 3h3 hours ago
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We've all just been allowed back in court, an incredibly distressed Connie Yates is shouting "what if it was your child". Connie now going.
Says she can't be in the same room as the judge, leaves saying "I hope you're happy with yourself". Judge about to return now
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Judge: name of hospice will remain private. The time at which he will go will remain private. Anyone who publishes date and place breaks law
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Judge: 3½ months since my order. I found then he might be in pain. Decision must be made. Ms Yates deeply upset by what has taken place.
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Judge: name of hospice will remain private. The time at which he will go will remain private. Anyone who publishes date and place breaks law
Joshua RozenbergVerified account @JoshuaRozenberg 3h3 hours ago
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Judge: 3½ months since my order. I found then he might be in pain. Decision must be made. Ms Yates deeply upset by what has taken place.
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
CatherineGlennFoster @cateici 3h3 hours ago
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If no C&C, GOSH, & guardian agreement by noon tomorrow, then C will be transferred to hospice and extubated shortly thereafter
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If no C&C, GOSH, & guardian agreement by noon tomorrow, then C will be transferred to hospice and extubated shortly thereafter
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
Vincent McAvineyVerified account @Vinny_LBC 45m45 minutes ago
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It turns out the Dr the family found was a private GP with no experience of intensive care, he had not found a team or a hospice as was said
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It turns out the Dr the family found was a private GP with no experience of intensive care, he had not found a team or a hospice as was said
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Vincent McAvineyVerified account @Vinny_LBC 3h3 hours ago
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Judge finishes saying this will be the last hearing, he thanks everyone for their conduct in case.
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Judge finishes saying this will be the last hearing, he thanks everyone for their conduct in case.
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
Oh, in the name.....
Connie Yates
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URGENT we need a pediatric intensive care consultant to come forward to assist and facilitate with a hospice stay by 12pm tomorrow, we will pay privately. PLEASE HELP US!! Can you please contact James (Charlie's godfather) on jamesevers1039@gmail.com please only email if you can help us! We need some peaceful time with our baby boy xxx
Getting off social media would be a start...have they no spiritual advisors to help them? Right-wing US God-botherers don't count.....
Connie Yates
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URGENT we need a pediatric intensive care consultant to come forward to assist and facilitate with a hospice stay by 12pm tomorrow, we will pay privately. PLEASE HELP US!! Can you please contact James (Charlie's godfather) on jamesevers1039@gmail.com please only email if you can help us! We need some peaceful time with our baby boy xxx
Getting off social media would be a start...have they no spiritual advisors to help them? Right-wing US God-botherers don't count.....
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
Concerning internet mobs......
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/polis/2017/07/26/social-media-and-charlie-gard-populism-versus-public-services-guest-blog/
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First, the discussions show clear moral distinctions between in and out-groups, producing ‘the Establishment’ (state healthcare systems, doctors, nurses, the judiciary and most politicians) as evil and damaging – the out-group; and ‘ordinary’ people as the wronged and vulnerable in-group whose voices must be heard, often terming GOSH as Great Ormond Street Hell, rather than hospital. There have been frequent cries that the out-group (GOSH and the judiciary) are “holding Charlie hostage”, or condoning the “disposing of the disabled”
Second, there has been a sustained and often evidence-free blame attribution to maintain these moral distinctions, ranging from accusing clinicians of administering morphine through callous design, to vague and general allegations of meting out ‘the death penalty’.
Third, there has been a consistent use of anecdotes to reject professional expertise. In response to complex conversations around head measurements and brain scans, people who have never met the baby have photo-edited social media pictures of him for the judiciary to “see from pics how he has grown”; group members insisting that what the professionals recognise as swelling and oedema on the terminally ill baby is just that “he is a chunky monkey”.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/polis/2017/07/26/social-media-and-charlie-gard-populism-versus-public-services-guest-blog/
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First, the discussions show clear moral distinctions between in and out-groups, producing ‘the Establishment’ (state healthcare systems, doctors, nurses, the judiciary and most politicians) as evil and damaging – the out-group; and ‘ordinary’ people as the wronged and vulnerable in-group whose voices must be heard, often terming GOSH as Great Ormond Street Hell, rather than hospital. There have been frequent cries that the out-group (GOSH and the judiciary) are “holding Charlie hostage”, or condoning the “disposing of the disabled”
Second, there has been a sustained and often evidence-free blame attribution to maintain these moral distinctions, ranging from accusing clinicians of administering morphine through callous design, to vague and general allegations of meting out ‘the death penalty’.
Third, there has been a consistent use of anecdotes to reject professional expertise. In response to complex conversations around head measurements and brain scans, people who have never met the baby have photo-edited social media pictures of him for the judiciary to “see from pics how he has grown”; group members insisting that what the professionals recognise as swelling and oedema on the terminally ill baby is just that “he is a chunky monkey”.
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Re: Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street considers 'new evidence'
As it happens my eldest son is hospital registrar specialising in anaesthetics and ITU. I asked him for his take on this case and a brief synopsis is below. (I don't think there is anything very new here but it's interesting to see the view of a professional dealing with these
"Medical professionals are effective because they can take an expert and professional view, and cannot allow emotion to cloud that judgement or they would not be able to do the job.
This little boy is terminally ill and has brain damage incompatible with life. He is only being kept alive by agressive medical intervention including pressure ventilation. If this is withdrawn he will be dead in a very few minutes.
An ITU, and especially where ventilation is needed, can only work in a hospital setting with access to a wide range of specialist medical and technical staff as well as gas/ secure power supply etc.
If GOSH were to provide a unit in a private home this would be incredibly expensive and may lead to expectations by other patients of an 'a la carte ITU service at home' which is totally unrealistic under the NHS or indeed any other system public or private.
There are times where a patient just has to be 'let go'. The decision is best made by the relatives and medical team working together, but ultimately it should be guided by the relevant professionals having regard to quality of life and management of pain"
IMO This is a quite tragic case - made much more tragic by the intervention of the press and people with a political agenda.
"Medical professionals are effective because they can take an expert and professional view, and cannot allow emotion to cloud that judgement or they would not be able to do the job.
This little boy is terminally ill and has brain damage incompatible with life. He is only being kept alive by agressive medical intervention including pressure ventilation. If this is withdrawn he will be dead in a very few minutes.
An ITU, and especially where ventilation is needed, can only work in a hospital setting with access to a wide range of specialist medical and technical staff as well as gas/ secure power supply etc.
If GOSH were to provide a unit in a private home this would be incredibly expensive and may lead to expectations by other patients of an 'a la carte ITU service at home' which is totally unrealistic under the NHS or indeed any other system public or private.
There are times where a patient just has to be 'let go'. The decision is best made by the relatives and medical team working together, but ultimately it should be guided by the relevant professionals having regard to quality of life and management of pain"
IMO This is a quite tragic case - made much more tragic by the intervention of the press and people with a political agenda.
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http://news.sky.com/story/terminally-ill-charlie-gard-dies-in-hospice-10965654
Terminally ill baby Charlie Gard dies in hospice
Terminally ill baby Charlie Gard dies in hospice
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RIP Charlie, Lamplighter
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