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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:15 pm

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Gard — hearing resumes

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Gard: Butler-Cole for guardian takes judge through the options.
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Butler-Cole: the family's chosen experts can't provide continuing ventilation outside the intensive care setting

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Butler-Cole: replicating intensive care outside hospital setting is impractical

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Butler-Cole: it seems the only option is a hospice.

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Butler-Cole: Charlie could go to the hospice "at the end of this week". Any alternative option must be found in next 24 hours.

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Judge: I want to accommodate Charlie's parents interests but it looks as if a hospice is the only option. Asks Armstrong for his view.


And what about the other dying patients in the hospice, when the barmy army finds its location and starts their shenanigans all over again?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:32 pm

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Judge: what's the objection to a hospice? Armstrong: he would live at the hospice for just a few hours. If it was days it would be different


Jesus H Christ, could the Gards think about the suffering their child is enduring, unable to even cry, just for once?
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:47 pm

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Armstrong: Charlie is assisted by only one nurse. Medically, he is stable. Judge: trauma of transfer and something going wrong unthinkable.


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Gollop - we have been unable to find intensive care specialist who can assist in home setting. Have looked the length and breadth of country

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Judge - I will make my final decision tomorrow unless there is something completely new that comes up


I can't see many people wanting anything to do with the Gards, due to their appalling behaviour - and the barmy army.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:00 pm

Incidentally, why do the Gards and the barmies imagine any medical professional is going to rush to their aid, after the way they've lied about and smeared GOSH? The death threats, the abusive emails and phone calls?

It's not long since the barmies were threatening to follow Ms Gollop, QC, home from the court and beat her up.

Who needs that?
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:48 pm

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Gollop QC: it's unfair to say we have put obstacles in the way of the parents.
Judge: I agree. GOSH doing everything it can.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:54 pm

It's awful, LL, and all the time this is going on, that poor little boy is suffering.
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Post  Sabot Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:09 pm


I am really quite distressed by this reaction from you both. What happened and for why isn't that important. But I refuse to accept that his parents don't care about Charlie.
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:44 pm

Oh, just give it a few months and the Gards will be on Lorraine's telly sofa, selling their book rights to the Mail, and using their assorted Funds to sue GOSH.
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:50 pm

I don't for a minute think the parents don't care about their son, I am just unamused by the uncalled for attacks and threats on the doctors and Great Ormond Street hospital. They saved my life, I was very lucky that I was curable. LL
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:56 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/charlie-gard-great-ormond-street-on-the-key-obstacle-stopping-him-going-home-to-die-10961542

Charlie Gard: Great Ormond Street on the 'key obstacle' stopping him going home to die
Great Ormond Street says he could suffer because of problems continuing his care - and his ventilator won't fit through the door
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Post  bb1 Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:31 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/charlie-gards-parents-in-urgent-plea-for-help-to-take-son-home-to-die-10962006

Charlie Gard's parents in urgent plea for help to take son home to die

Oh, I am sure there's a queue of doctors desperate to be smeared, abused and threatened.
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Post  bb1 Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:14 pm

We're off again-

http://news.sky.com/story/live-judge-considers-charlie-gards-future-10959647

Gard hearing to begin shortly. Grant Armstrong for parents preparing to address the court. Connie Yates behind him but Chris Gard not here.

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Armstrong: Enquiries have been made about care possibilities. A former intensive care surgeon is on his way here to give evidence.


A surgeon? This isn't surgical....

Meanwhile, the barmy army has been pestering hospitals, failing to grasp why no-one wants dragged into this ghastly circus.
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Post  bb1 Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Armstrong: we think we can provide private nursing staff. Some GOSH nurses have volunteered to assist.

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Armstrong: we’ve been in touch with suppliers of ventilators who can deliver one within 24 hours. Judge: where is the doctor’s CV?

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Armstrong: we think we can provide private nursing staff. Some GOSH nurses have volunteered to assist.


Lots of magical thinking going on here.


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Armstrong seems to be suggesting Charlie would live in a hospice for a week or so. But difficult to be sure as we can’t see court papers yet


And then the hospice will end up in court, because the barmies are causing chaos and upsetting people.
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Judge: it’s pure nonsense to say that this is being decided by a judge because we have a national health service in this country.

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Judge is referring to misinformed comment on social media.
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Armstrong: Charlie does not have a tracheostomy so his breathing tube may need to be adjusted when he is moved
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Oh, FFS stop torturing this poor child!
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Gard: Court now adjourned to await arrival of the family’s specialist doctor.


More stalling.
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Judge Justice Francis is demanding to have a CV but barrister Grant Armstrong says they don't have one currently.


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Gard: hearing still adjourned. Not known whether the parents’ new medical expert has yet arrived for discussions with their lawyers
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:01 pm

Parents of ill baby Charlie Gard find doctor to allow him to die away from hospital: lawyer.

LONDON (Reuters) - The parents of Charlie Gard have found a doctor willing to look after the terminally ill baby so they can spend time with him away from hospital during the last days of his life, their lawyer told a London court on Wednesday.

The 11-month-old baby, who suffers from an extremely rare genetic condition causing progressive brain damage and muscle weakness, has been the subject of a bitter dispute between his parents and the London hospital where he is being treated.

The parents, Connie Yates and Chris Gard, have agreed to let Charlie die, but they wanted to take him home and spend several days with him before his ventilation tube is removed. Great Ormond Street hospital said on Tuesday that would not be possible for practical reasons.

At a fresh hearing on Wednesday, the parents' lawyer Grant Armstrong told the London High Court they had found a doctor was willing to look after the baby at home or in a hospice.

It was not clear from his remarks which of those was the option being pursued by the family.

The doctor was on his way to give evidence to the court, Armstrong said.

The case of Charlie Gard has resonated far and wide, triggering a heated debate about who should decide a child's fate and drawing comment from U.S. President Donald Trump and Pope Francis.

Nicholas Francis, the High Court judge who has presided over an agonising series of hearings on the case, had given the parents until Wednesday to find a team of intensive-care specialists willing to oversee Charlie's care at home.

Failing that, the judge had been expected to make a ruling on where Charlie's life should end.

He had indicated on Tuesday that the best option may be a hospice - a possibility supported by the hospital and preferred by the parents to a hospital death.

Charlie requires invasive ventilation to breathe and cannot see, hear or swallow.

Yates and Gard had wanted to take him to the United States to undergo experimental treatment, against the advice of Great Ormond Street doctors who said it would not help and would only prolong the baby's suffering.

British courts, backed by the European Court of Human Rights, refused permission, saying the parents' plan was not in Charlie's best interests.

The parents gave up the legal battle on Monday, saying that the latest scans showed Charlie's condition had deteriorated to the point that no recovery was possible. But they

remain convinced that the treatment might have helped Charlie had he received it months ago.

The hospital disagrees. It says Charlie had suffered irreversible brain damage by January as a result of a series of seizures, and his responsiveness has not changed since then.
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Post  bb1 Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:13 pm

IMO, LL, his parents are trying to drag this out to Charlie's birthday in early August, so they and their barmies can have some kind of ghoulish 'celebration'. They certainly aren't thinking about  their poor son's needs, only their own wants.
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Gard: lawyers return to court. Connie Yates in her usual seat. Judge about to enter. Armstrong preparing to update him on discussions.
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Armstrong: discussions between doctor and GOSH. No arrangements yet that would satisfy GOSH. Is an intensivist needed for palliative care?


Under these circumstances? Is there any doubt?

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Armstrong: Connie Yates wants to press on. Can she have more time? She now feels discussions should be conducted in private.


What? After courting the media? Whipping up a social media mob? Spending time when she was supposed to be with her son arguing with people on various media FB pages and Mail comments?
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Judge: this indecision is compounding the parents’ misery. Armstrong: she needs more time to find an intensivist if one needed for few days.
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Judge: I’ve gone out of my way to accommodate the parents’ wishes. I must consider Charlie’s best interests.

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Judge: you want a default position if no agreement by 1630 on Friday? Armstrong: yes.


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Judge: if no agreement by Friday, when would Charlie be transferred to a hospice? Butler-Cole: let’s deal with that in private.
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