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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:59 pm

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16090144

Nazi leader Adolf Hitler did not kill himself in Berlin in 1945 but ended his days in Argentina, a new book has claimed.

British journalist Gerrard Williams has told Sky News he and co-author Simon Dunstan found an "overwhelming amount of evidence" to suggest Hitler died an old man in South America.
Many historians say the Nazi leader died in his Berlin bunker in 1945 - but Williams claims their research, looking at newly de-classified documents and forensic tests, challenges this.
"We didn't want to re-write history, but the evidence we've discovered about the escape of Adolf Hitler is just too overwhelming to ignore," he said.

"There is no forensic evidence for his, or Eva Braun's deaths, and the stories from the eyewitnesses to their continued survival in Argentina are compelling."
Grey Wolf: The Escape Of Adolf Hitler claims the Fuhrer and his mistress Eva Braun were secretly flown out of Germany in April 1945 and taken to fascist-controlled Argentina.
It is alleged Hitler lived in the country for 17 years, initially raising his two daughters, until his death in 1962.

The book also accuses US intelligence of being complicit in the scam in return for access to Nazi war technology.
"Stalin, Eisenhower and Hoover of the FBI all knew there was no proof of him dying in the bunker," Williams told Sky News.
"It's difficult to understand why so much of the already published material we present in the book has been ignored over the years."
He added that the book's new findings prove the "Hitler" skull fragments held by the Russians are actually that of a young woman.
Williams said he and Dunstan conducted intensive field research in Argentina, including interviews with many eyewitnesses to Hitler's presence there.
"It's only now that Argentina is once more a thriving democracy that the real stories are beginning to come out," he said.
"Even so, two of our eyewitnesses received death threats from persons unknown while working with us on this book."
The film Grey Wolf is currently in production and is expected to be released in January.


"It's difficult to understand why so much of the already published material we present in the book has been ignored over the years.

I'll make a guess - because it's a load of sh*te. Rather a lot of people survived the Bunker, many long enough to record it all for the Discovery Channel and similar.

I do think they would have mentioned this small detail.

This character has been trying to flog this rubbish for a while - this is from 2009:

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15393951

One reason why there was such a belief at the end of World War II that the skull was Hitler's, Mr Williams suggests, is that everyone needed Hitler to be dead.
"Everyone wanted to close the chapter very quickly because, of course, the Cold War was just starting up. It was convenient, that's all."


No, it wasn't, actually - if Hitler had been taken alive, the Soviets would have been thrilled skinny to put him on trial at Nuremberg, along with the rest of the Nazi scum.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:11 pm

The Russians had his corpse - don't know about Eva's - and it was taken to Moscow. The reason given for its disappearance, which is reasonable, is that the Allies did not want a focus area, ie a grave, for neo-nazis to hold rallies at each year. He is buried somewhere in Moscow under a carpark, I understand. And I cannot really see the surviving nazis, especially as the ones in the bunker were always at each other's throats, hiding the fact that he was alive, most of them could never agree about anything. Also, if he had survived, how come it never came out? A story like that would not have lain dormant for over 60 years; Mossad would have gone on looking, like they did with Eichmann. Another conspiracy theory, as daft as the Kennedy shooting or the US Government destroying the Twin Towers, or the old hoary one that either the US or the UK sank the Titanic to make sure someone on board was eliminated. The chap who wrote that has just read 'The Odessa File'!!!! LL rofl rofl
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 16, 2011 4:39 pm

It's just a classic bit of conspiraloonacy, isn't it? It ignores recorded history, it ignores eye-witness statements, everything.....

In reality, if Hitler had done a bunk from the Bunker, there would have been a queue of Bunker survivors only too keen to tell the world where he had gone, if only to get lighter sentences for themselves.

And as you say, they were all at each others' throats, not to mention drunk most of the time; the last days in the Bunker were anything but heroic or edifying...

Here is one of the survivors having a nice chat with the BBC -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8234018.stm

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As Rochus Misch spent nine years in Soviet labour camps, I suspect he would have been delighted to tell the Russians where Hitler had really gone, to get back to Germany and launch his new life as a media personality, as a good few others did.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:19 pm


Don't know. It might depend on how obsessed with The Third Reich they all were.

It is possible that he escaped. He was hardly going to be hanging around alive. And he will have had access to transport.

I shall keep an open mind on this. Not that it matters now.
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:27 pm

Any interest they had in the Third Reich came juddering to a halt around about the time the Red Army nabbed them, Sabot.
If Hitler had escaped, Albert Speer would have known, and there is no way he would have kept quiet; he would have sold the story to the highest bidder and a guaranteed slot on TV.
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Post  Sabot Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:34 pm


It depends on who could have smuggled him out. I never did understand why they burnt the bodies, and I have never seen Hitler as likely to commit suicide if he could have gotten away. A lot of them did without anyone knowing where they had gone for a considerable number of years.

And the last time I looked The Third Reich was alive and kicking.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:36 pm

I think any of the big shots, Goering, Himmler, Speer, etc would have used the information as a bargaining ploy to save them from being executed. You know, "I'll tell you where you can find him, just so long as you don't hang me!" Also, Mossad were always on the outlook, just in case he had escaped and someone else's body was burnt. LL
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Post  bb1 Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:46 pm

Goering and Speer would both have revealed all, for different reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring

On 25 April, Hitler issued a telegram to Göring telling him that he had committed "high treason" and gave him the option of resigning all of his offices in exchange for his life. However, not long after that, Bormann ordered the SS in Berchtesgaden to arrest Göring. In his last will and testament, Hitler dismissed Göring from all of his offices and expelled him from the Nazi Party.
Shortly after Hitler completed his will, Bormann ordered the SS to execute Göring, his wife, and their daughter (Hitler's own goddaughter) if Berlin were to fall. But this order was ignored. Instead, the Görings and their SS captors moved together, to the same Schloß Mauterndorf where Göring had spent much of his childhood and which he had inherited (along with Burg Veldenstein) from his godfather's widow in 1938. (Göring had arranged for preferential treatment for the woman, and protected her from confiscation and arrest as the widow of a wealthy Jew.)


From where he bundled everyone into a limousine, and surrendered gratefully to the Americans, who treated him as a bit of a celebrity at first.

As for Speer....also from Wiki:

On May 15, the Americans arrived and asked Speer if he would be willing to provide information on the effects of the air war. Speer agreed, and over the next several days, provided information on a broad range of subjects.

He famously grovelled at Nuremberg, spent 20 years in prison, then reinvented himself:

Speer made himself widely available to historians and other enquirers.[143] He did an extensive, in-depth interview for the June 1971 issue of Playboy magazine, in which he stated, "If I didn't see it, then it was because I didn't want to see it."[144] In October 1973, Speer made his first trip to Britain, flying to London under an assumed name[143] to be interviewed on the BBC Midweek programme by Ludovic Kennedy. Upon arrival, he was detained for almost 8 hours at Heathrow Airport when British immigration authorities discovered his true identity. The Home Secretary, Robert Carr, allowed Speer into the country for 48 hours.[145] While in London eight years later to participate in the BBC Newsnight programme, Speer suffered a stroke and died on September 1, 1981.[3] Speer had formed a relationship with a German-born Englishwoman, and was with her at the time of his death.[146]

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