Adrian Prout Admits To Killing his wife

crazytony wrote:

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:As far as I am concerned, there was never anything in the vehicle, period. If there had have been, the vehicle would never have been returned to the McCanns after the search. Nor, would it have been returned to the hire company and sold.

Quite right, Tony. They would have wanted to preserve this evidence of paramount importance?

Correct lily.

Their action speaks volumes, Tony.

ETA: Everything they have done is like a smoke and mirrors game because they had no evidence of any wrong doing by the McCanns.

They would have wanted to preserve this evidence of paramount importance?




Ah, of course! The car is central to Gonc's Fridge Theory! There is no way it would have been returned to the McCanns and later sold, etc., if there was anything of the slightest value as evidence in it.

I wonder - was that whole charade with the dogs acted out IN FULL KNOWLEDGE that it was pointless as far as finding Madeleine went?

Was it another of Gonc's Cunning Plans to get the McCanns to make false confessions? Remember, he could have backed the dogs up with the STU which he claimed got stuck in customs..

Which is probably yet another lie from him; more likely, he knew he couldn't risk using it. As he didn't understand DNA, he wouldn't have understood the STU either....

Gonc's case would have been a slam dunk if they had tested the car and it confirmed his theory, wouldn't it?

Yes, Bonny, the STU unit could have backed up his other claims.

Gonc didn't seem to have the best of luck regarding this case, did he? Wonder why......

lily wrote:Gonc's case would have been a slam dunk if they had tested the car and it confirmed his theory, wouldn't it?

Yes, Bonny, the STU unit could have backed up his other claims.

Gonc didn't seem to have the best of luck regarding this case, did he? Wonder why......

I think you got it right lily, when, you mentioned a promotional video.

crazytony wrote:

lily wrote:Gonc's case would have been a slam dunk if they had tested the car and it confirmed his theory, wouldn't it?

Yes, Bonny, the STU unit could have backed up his other claims.

Gonc didn't seem to have the best of luck regarding this case, did he? Wonder why......

I think you got it right lily, when, you mentioned a promotional video.

Tony, we discussed this on our old forum. That is exactly what that video is. Remember how Grime talked about the scent coming from the seal and therefore there was no need to put the dog inside? (Well, it was words to that effect).

That was to show someone else for possible future business. He was saying to the effect that the dog had done it's job and was correct blah blah blah.....

lily, that is when he should have put the cadaver dog in the vehicle.

crazytony wrote:lily, that is when he should have put the cadaver dog in the vehicle.

You are so right, Tony. That is what they should have done in the event of a trial.

Since Grime didn't do that, what does it say about Grime's motivations and/or what Gonc's team had told him?

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:lily, that is when he should have put the cadaver dog in the vehicle.

You are so right, Tony. That is what they should have done in the event of a trial.

Since Grime didn't do that, what does it say about Grime's motivations and/or what Gonc's team had told him?

All I know is this, professionals looking at the video lily, found it to be unprofessional and evidentially worthless.

Tony, we suspected that that was the case. It is good to see it in black and white as to what the professionals thought.

I think this video in the Anthony case tells it all.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/06/08/bts.anthony.cadaver.dog.bones.cnn#/video/crime/2011/06/08/bts.anthony.cadaver.dog.bones.cnn

what does it say about Grime's motivations and/or what Gonc's team had told him

I wonder, is the second part key to the whole thing? Had Gonc shared the Fridge Theory with Grime?

There's a bit of this jigsaw we just don't have. Grime had been, almost until days before the PDL debacle, been a serving UK police officer; I am sure he spoke to other UK officers in PDL.

He may well have been smelling giant rats by this time, hence the promotional video which looks good - until it is closely examined.

Jersey and Prout followed on from PDL; Jersey was another b*llsed-up circus, and Prout isn't much better.

Barking at carpets, but not the scene of death and burial, can scarcely be regarded as a triumph for Eddiewoof.

Eddie found blood in the Harron case - but so did Frankie, the dog being handled by PC Ellis.

Eddie found Mrs Harron's body - by the time it smelled so bad, the humans could find it.

He found the body in Orkney - thanks to the person who buried it to begin with, but couldn't remember exactly which bit of sand he put it in, due to being drunk at the time.

Cadaver dogs who have to be told where the cadaver is by humans are not really doing a fantastic job, are they?

bb1 wrote: what does it say about Grime's motivations and/or what Gonc's team had told him

I wonder, is the second part key to the whole thing? Had Gonc shared the Fridge Theory with Grime?

There's a bit of this jigsaw we just don't have. Grime had been, almost until days before the PDL debacle, been a serving UK police officer; I am sure he spoke to other UK officers in PDL.

He may well have been smelling giant rats by this time, hence the promotional video which looks good - until it is closely examined.

Jersey and Prout followed on from PDL; Jersey was another b*llsed-up circus, and Prout isn't much better.

Barking at carpets, but not the scene of death and burial, can scarcely be regarded as a triumph for Eddiewoof.

Eddie found blood in the Harron case - but so did Frankie, the dog being handled by PC Ellis.

Eddie found Mrs Harron's body - by the time it smelled so bad, the humans could find it.

He found the body in Orkney - thanks to the person who buried it to begin with, but couldn't remember exactly which bit of sand he put it in, due to being drunk at the time.

Cadaver dogs who have to be told where the cadaver is by humans are not really doing a fantastic job, are they?

Portugal, two dogs, owned and managed by one handler, nothing found.
On Jersey, two dogs owned and managed by one handler, nothing found.
On other cases concerning Grime, two handlers, two dogs, independent of each other; result in acceptable evidence.

On top of that, Tony, Grime's dogs were no longer licensed. Why did he allow that?

lily wrote:On top of that, Tony, Grime's dogs were no longer licensed. Why did he allow that?

I am pretty sure after the Jersey incident, he, would have had his dogs licensed for UK work?

I would have thought that that was necessary, Tony? Did he do that? I just remember him stating that he did his own testing and that his criteria was more stringent.

honestbroker wrote:

lily wrote:I would have thought that that was necessary, Tony? Did he do that? I just remember him stating that he did his own testing and that his criteria was more stringent.

I think he must have, Lily, though I've not seen it recorded anywhere that he did, and yes, you are right that he commented he tested the dog to his own standards which he described as more stringent than the official standards.

The whole reason for him quitting South Yorkshire Police was his refusal to continue to have his dogs re-tested (according to a police blog).

That in itself is strange, isn't it? If his dogs were tested to a higher standard, then it would have been easy to get them tested to inferior standards so they could be licensed? What was that really about?

Which brings us full circle...Eddie woofed at the Prout carpet at the end of 2007.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Husband-charged-Kate-Prout-s-murder/story-11283859-detail/story.html

Quote:

After her husband reported her missing five days later on November 10, more than 100 officers searched a grain store, piles of bark chippings, woodlands, a pool and a reservoir at the Prouts' home.

But despite becoming increasingly convinced Mrs Prout was dead, detectives never found a body.

An underwater team searched ponds on the land and helicopters were sent up to scan the land.

A sniffer dog called Eddie, which took part in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann, could not find any trace of her either.

Clearly, the carpet-woofing didn't mean a great deal to those officers, though there is a BIG CLUE as to Mrs Prout's whereabouts at the start of that piece:

Mr Prout, a farmer who runs a pheasant shoot

The Jersey shambles was in early 2008:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084985/4m-Jersey-House-Horrors-investigation-shut-police-chiefs-admit-NO-children-murdered.html

That one really annoys me, personally. Because it turned into such a circus, the allegations will now NEVER be investigated properly, professionally and calmly...

But I digress; do we know just when Eddie's certification lapsed? Was it pre-Prout?

This doesn't make sense.
A sniffer dog called Eddie, which took part in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann, could not find any trace of her either.
If he could find no trace of her, did he bark at the carpet or not?

Off the top of my head, they were still licensed in Portugal but about ready to lapse? I think HB may know this?

In this link it doesn't mention the dog barking at a carpet?
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Husband-charged-Kate-Prout-s-murder/story-11283859-detail/story.html

I think, but am happy to be corrected, that the carpet-barking first surfaced on the Crime channel documentary, Tony?

It certainly wasn't mentioned in court - well, it wouldn't be, would it? Can you imagine it?

Policeman:
And then the spaniel stood on the carpet and barked, m'lud...

M'lud:

And? So what? My wife's blasted spaniels are never done barking in the living room, that's what dogs do.

Next witness!

Yes, the forkers have been trying to spin this as another triumph for Eddie the Wonderdog, when it is anything but.

Mrs Prout was killed in a shooting lodge and buried nearby in a pheasant pen; Heaven knows what Eddie was barking at, but it certainly wasn't Death Miasma.

I suspect Prout may have decided he had a good chance of pulling it off when the dog did the carpet-woofing, as the carpet seems to have been irrelevant to anything.

And the carpet was, I understand, forensically examined, and nothing was found?

Now, if Eddie had woofed in the lodge, or at the scene of burial, that would have been something to boast about..

I've seen forkers trying to claim Eddie couldn't have covered the whole farm, it would have been too much for his little legs...

Eh? He's a spaniel, for goodness sake, Prout had his own spaniels as gun dogs...



Unless they think that's Eddie he's posing with?

HB, you posted this earlier this year on our forum, which helps to clarify the licensing.

Yet Grime, who had left South Yorkshire police in July 2007 and was selling his dogs' services through his private business, had failed to keep up the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) licence that certified Eddie as a police 'cadaver dog'.
Grime did have a second sniffer dog, Keela, but its licence expired a fortnight after they arrived in Jersey.
ACPO rules governing UK police dogs state: 'Dog and handler teams that fail to remain in-licence are deemed "not competent".'

Grime admitted to The Mail on Sunday that the dog's licence had lapsed. He said: 'After I retired, my dogs were tested according to my own standards which are more stringent than ACPO's. But Jersey is not in the UK, so they were in their rights to employ whoever they wanted.' He said his fees were 'all agreed' and that he had given Jersey a 'discount'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html#ixzz1UpMEeBvY

This is another good link that you also found.....



8:57am UK, Thursday March 24, 2011
Gerard Tubb, Sky News correspondent

Police sniffer dogs used to find missing people and dead bodies "urgently" need better training and monitoring, according to an official report.

The Government's National Policing Improvement Agency (NPIA) said specialist victim recovery dogs are not trained to approved standards, with no way of gauging their competence.

The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

"There is no consistency in what the dogs can do and how it is done," the report states.

"Furthermore, there is no national standard for accrediting dogs and handlers or record keeping of the success rate they achieve."

The report added the dogs, which are trained to detect the smell of dead bodies, have "the potential to cause complications in an inquiry".

"There is an urgent need to have national policy on their training, accreditation and deployment," it concluded.

The review uses a kidnap investigation to highlight how dogs have tied up valuable police time.

The animals detected human remains in old furniture that had been bought from houses where the owner had died.

The use of victim recovery, or cadaver dogs, has proved to be controversial in a number of high-profile cases in recent years.

A South Yorkshire Police spaniel called Eddie was said to have sniffed out the "scent of death" at the Haut de la Garenne children's home in Jersey and the apartment from which Madeleine McCann disappeared in Portugal.

But in both cases nothing more was found and South Yorkshire Police say Eddie is no longer working with them.

Sniffer dogs hindered the police probe into Shannon Matthew's disappearance

Victim recovery dogs from four different police forces were used during searches for kidnapped schoolgirl Shannon Matthews in Dewsbury in West Yorkshire in 2008.

The dogs found evidence of dead bodies, but officers later discovered the corpses were nothing to do with her disappearance.

"The properties searched contained a high level of second-hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died," according to the NPIA report.

"This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture."

The Association of Chief Police Officers told Sky News it was consulting individual police forces and hoped to have national training standards for the dogs later this year

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15959107

Grime is basically saying the Police dog training is substandard. What a slap in the face for his former colleagues.