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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:42 pm

Today Poland v Russia and the security forces are on very high alert as there is much bad history between the two countries, and the nationalists on both sides just might try to cause trouble. LL
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:59 pm

Czech republic 2 : Greece 1

Rioting and fighting in Warsaw between Russian and Polish fans this afternoon, police used tear gas and water cannons. Trouble has died down, for now. May well start again depending who wins. LL
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:42 pm

Oh Lord, how awful. I really am glad we didn't qualify, I am not surprised so many fans have stayed away.
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:56 pm

The problem with the Poles and the Russians today is that the Russky fans decided to celebrate their National Day, - today - by marching over the Vistula Bridge to the stadium, which was like a red rag to a bull. There is a lot of ancient bad blood between them, the biggest being the Katyn Massacre of hundreds of Polish intellectuals, priests, and members of the intelligensia by Soviet troops in WW2. The Soviets tried to pass it off as a Nazi massacre; what showed up the lie was the finding of a newspaper in the pocket of a coat on one of the corpses dated at a time when there were no Nazis anywhere near the area. The plane that went down in Russia on 10 April 2010 with the Polish President on board is also a bone of contention - Lech Kaczynski and the many Polish people that died with him were on their way to honour the Poles who died at Katyn. Quite a few Poles hold the belief that the plane was downed deliberately ....LL
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:10 pm

Not to mention the Red Army sitting and watching the Warsaw Uprising fail, and decades of repression...No, I understand why there is bad blood, I just wish they would stop it - all of them. I have a very, very bad feeling about this tournament.
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:18 pm

bb1 wrote:Not to mention the Red Army sitting and watching the Warsaw Uprising fail, and decades of repression...No, I understand why there is bad blood, I just wish they would stop it - all of them. I have a very, very bad feeling about this tournament.
Imagine what it would be like if it was the Hungarians v the Russians - the Uprising in 1956 is far more recent than the Warsaw one, which was during WW2. There is little love lost between the Russians and those countries they oppressed after WW2 ended. They are tolerated in Hungary, but not loved. LL
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:55 pm

Half time - Russia 1 : Poland 0
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:57 pm

Is it in any way possible for this match to have a good result which will keep trouble off the streets, LL?
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:22 pm

bb1 wrote:Is it in any way possible for this match to have a good result which will keep trouble off the streets, LL?
I don't know, bonny, old hatreds are kept alive in Europe, where most countries have suffered at the hands of the old Soviet regime. A friend said to me he would prefer a German any day over a Russky; when I asked him why he said that Hitler only terrorised Europe for about 10 years, 5 years up to the War and then the war itself. The Soviets terrorised Europe from 1945 to 1989, a total of 44 years, until the Wall fell and they were sent packing. Austria was lucky, they were partitioned between UK, USA, France and Russia and they all left by 1955. Many of the atrocities perpetrated by the Soviets in those years matched the Nazis in every way. Millions of Poles, Hungarians, Slavs, Gypsies and Jews were forced into the gulags and never returned. And for those 44 years the Soviets held the world to ransom with the threat of nuclear war. I am not really the right person to ask, bonny, I have no love for the Russkies. LL

ETA Latest score Poland 1 : Russia 1
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:34 pm

I don't like Communism OR Fascism, LL, they're just different sides of the same police state coin. It's this tournament, it seems to be about all sorts of things apart from football, and it gives me bad vibes, if you know what I mean?
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:41 pm

bb1 wrote:I don't like Communism OR Fascism, LL, they're just different sides of the same police state coin. It's this tournament, it seems to be about all sorts of things apart from football, and it gives me bad vibes, if you know what I mean?
I know exactly what you mean, probably more than you realise. There is latent unrest in the old Soviet socialist republics; they fear the re-emergence of Russia, especially under Putin, He is an old KGB man, and he believes in the old system; you can see he is slowly trying to reinstate the old beliefs, ie, commie, to the country. However, he does have some problems; protests are increasing, his answer to which is to heavily penalise anyone setting up a protest or taking part in it. He is in power for 6 years; I just hope Europe doesn't reap the whirlwind. LL

ETA, final score: Poland 1 : Russia 1
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Post  bb1 Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:09 pm

From the Breaking News, it has escalated to rubber bullets and tear gas.
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:12 pm

bb1 wrote:From the Breaking News, it has escalated to rubber bullets and tear gas.
Oh, well, there you go! Personally I am not a footie fan, much prefer cricket! Watch it escalate further as the media put a good spin on it, probably tanks and armored vehicles by tomorrow! Load of idiots! LL
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:11 pm

BBC World News:

The head of Russia's Football Union, Sergei Fursenko, has put the blame for clashes between Russian and Polish fans on Tuesday firmly on the Poles.

"Polish ultras are known for their disobedience," he said.

The clashes erupted as thousands of Russian fans marched through Warsaw to mark Russia Day, hours before their Euro 2012 match against Poland.

Out of 184 people arrested during the evening, 157 were Polish and 24 were Russian, Polish police said.

Mr Fursenko defended Russian fans, saying they would be given "help and protection".

"Not a single fan will be denied our support," he told Russia's Sport Express website.

"As far as I know, they behaved well during the march. Polish fans have much bigger problems," he said.

"Polish ultras are known for their disobedience. So such clashes occur."

BBC reporters said they saw Polish fans, intent on violence, attempt to attack the Russian marchers.

Some Poles viewed the march - which was officially sanctioned by Polish authorities - as a provocation, given the historic animosity between Russia and Poland.

There were reports of a separate incident, in which masked Polish fans allegedly attacked Russian fans in a Warsaw cafe.

Footage also showed Russian fans involved in fighting.

Tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannon were used to disperse fans at the end of the march.

There were reports that between 11 and 24 people were injured in the fighting, though authorities said no lives were at risk.

'Sincere apologies'
Polish newspapers expressed shame and regret over the clashes.

On the Wprost weekly's website, Marcin Pienkowski said "it was supposed to be about beautiful Slavic friendship" but that, because of Polish fans' abuse of the Russian visitors, "this is the first time in my life I'm ashamed of being a Pole".

On Polish forums and social networks many Poles expressed regret.

The popular Gazeta Wyborcza daily posted a comment which read: "On behalf of all great Polish guys and gals, please take our sincere apologies for such idiots attacking you for no reason. You are always welcome here..."

The match ended in a 1-1 draw, which leaves both teams hopeful of progressing to the quarter-finals.
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:41 pm

Not a result, but I found this on AP; makes a very sober read, and sad, too. LL

Ukraine's prostitutes hope to cash in on Euro 2012

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Yulia, a 20-year-old call girl, is awaiting Euro 2012 with a mix of excitement and dread. She's upped her rates in the hope of earning enough to go to college next year, but "every girl is afraid," she admits. "Anything can happen."

Ukraine has a booming prostitution industry — and the already high number of women scouting the streets, bars and hotels of the country's four host cities for clients is expected to spike even further this month as hundreds of thousands of football fans converge on the country.

Experts are warning about the high risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases: Some 1.1 percent of the adult population and nearly one out of 10 prostitutes are infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, according to the United Nations AIDS agency.

"They will be playing Ukrainian roulette," said Kostiantyn Pertsovskyi, spokesman for the International HIV/AIDS Alliance in Ukraine, which will be handing out nearly 1 million condoms to fans and prostitutes during the tournament. "If a fan is not using a condom, he has a very good chance of getting infected."

La Strada, a Ukrainian women's rights group, is particularly concerned about an increase of underage prostitution, with scores of orphaned or destitute teenagers lured — and often forced — to service clients.

Yulia, who declined to give her last name for fear of being prosecuted, has been studying basic English words, communicating with prospective clients online and assembling a new wardrobe of flashy dresses and high-heeled shoes. She's also been learning what she calls "European manners."

She plans to raise her hourly rate of 600 hryvna ($75; €60) to 900 hryvna ($115; €90) and hopes to save enough money to go to college next year to study music and fulfill her life dream of becoming a singer.

Yulia came to Kiev to escape poverty in her provincial hometown in southern Ukraine where both of her parents are unemployed. With no college education, few skills, no jobs around and a family to support, she became a prostitute at 18.

She now earns about 10,000 hryvna ($1,250; €1,000) per month — averaging about 2-3 clients a day — at hotels, apartments and in cars. For many that's an enviable income compared with the national monthly average of 3,000 hryvna ($375; €300). But the money has a price.

"Physically, morally, psychologically it's very hard. Each client needs a special approach, you need to please everyone," Yulia said as she came to a support center on the outskirts of Kiev to get tested for sexually transmitted diseases, load up on free condoms and take a class in art therapy.

"It's not easy, there is always fear. Every girl is afraid because she doesn't know what she is about to see, what will happen to her, what to expect. Anything can happen." Once, she recalled, she came to a Kiev flat, expecting one client, but instead found two who violently raped her.

"I couldn't get out of the apartment, I couldn't convince them, so I just closed my eyes and that was it." In Ukraine, underage sexual workers are rarely treated as victims of child molestation or forced labor, but instead are often punished and harassed for engaging in prostitution. Providing sexual services constitutes a misdemeanor here punishable by fines of about $20, but in practice prostitutes have to buy police protection with money and sex. Soliciting sexual workers is legal.

"In our country, children providing sexual services are not regarded as victims but as culprits," said Mariana Yevsyukova, a legal expert with La Strada, adding that no measures have been taken to protect such teenagers ahead of the football tournament. "My heart is very angry over this. Our government did not react to this in time."

Officials are playing down the threat, saying fans will be too busy enjoying soccer games to look for adventure on the streets. Euro 2008 co-hosts Austria and Switzerland "also expected sex tourism, but fans didn't have time for this: it was either football or beer," said Oleh Matveitsov, an Interior Ministry official charged with security measures during the Euros. While some measures have been taken to get the call girls off the streets, experts say many of those women will simply go online to look for clients.

The country's leaders have done little to alter the image of Ukraine as a top destination for sex tourists and men shopping for mail-order brides. President Viktor Yanukovych last year invited foreign investors to Ukraine to see blooming chestnut trees and observe "how women begin to take their clothes off when it gets warm in Ukrainian cities."

Femen, Ukraine's controversial women's rights movement which stages topless protests, has vowed to disrupt the championship with rallies, pranks and disturbances to protest the prostitution spike. "Today Ukraine has turned into a huge brothel, Europe's center for sex tourism, and Ukrainian women will suffer from that, Ukrainian women will become sex slaves during Euro 2012," said Inna Shevchenko, a top activist with the group.

Critics say Femen is itself fueling the perception of Ukrainian women as sex objects. The group protests against prostitution with half-naked activists posing in front of television cameras in erotic poses.

Yulia Tsarevska, whose advocacy group provides moral, educational and medical support to Yulia and other call girls in Kiev and around the country, says the girls have been translating their ads into English in recent weeks.

"They are waiting, they are getting ready, they are going to beauty parlors, they are raising their prices," she said. Yulia admits to harboring faint hopes that one of her clients may fall in love with her and take her away from Ukraine, similar to what happened to Julia Roberts' heroine in "Pretty Woman," a movie she loves.

"It would be great to live in other countries, but I don't think that people would come and would choose a wife here in Ukraine among call girls," she says. "Although everything can happen."
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Post  bb1 Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:46 pm

Poor girls, LL and no, those Femen idiots don't help.
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:05 pm

Final score: Denmark 2 : Portugal 3

This is a very long article re the Russians being fined and having 6 points deducted for their fans' behaviour at/after the Czech match. They are also being investigated for what happened with the Poles. LL

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2158765/Euro-2012-UEFA-fine-Russia-FA-fans-violence-opening-match-Poland.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Netherlands v Germany so far 0-0
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Post  bb1 Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:10 pm

Thanks, LL - I can't tell one shaven-headed thug from another, they are all horrible.

Sadly, there is a sinister tone to the tournament now, something that drove people off the streets when they should have been celebrating this enormous fan gathering.
Instead, they were running for their lives and cowering in shop doorways as police armed with batons and riot shields attempted to restore order.
It was shameful and shocking, wiping the smile off the face of European football.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2158765/Euro-2012-UEFA-fine-Russia-FA-fans-violence-opening-match-Poland.html#ixzz1xiJlBsy8

That's the way I feel, it's so unpleasant to see. And they do get everyone tarred with the same brush.

Never mind, Pedro will be celebrating!
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Post  Lamplighter Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:38 pm

Final score - Germany 2 : Netherlands 1
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:12 pm

Italy 1 : Croatia 1
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Post  bb1 Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:15 pm

Another draw. Seems to be a bit more civilised off-pitch today?
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Post  Lamplighter Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:23 pm

I watched the celebrations in Germany after they beat the Nertherlands on Euronews, lots of singing and dancing, no problems. Italy and Croatia, which face each other over the sea don't, as far as I know, have any issues, therefore no trouble. Later this evening, Spain v Rep Ireland, again no known problems. LL
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Final score: Spain 4 : Rep Ireland 0
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Post  bb1 Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:40 pm

Oh dear, not very good for Ireland....
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