Mail: Why Did It Take Police And Dogs Eight Days To Find Tia?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186935/Why-did-police-officers-dogs-days-body-missing-Tia.html

Why did it take so many police officers and dogs eight days to find body of missing Tia?

Ex-Scotland Yard Commander calls the lack of a thorough search of her grandmother's house 'unforgiveable'
'You can't rely on a dog - you need human brains' he added

By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 12:55, 11 August 2012 | UPDATED: 14:37, 11 August 2012

The discovery of 12-year-old Tia Sharp's body in her grandmother's house one week after her disappearance has lead many to question the actions of the police.
More than 100 officers were assigned to the case, yet had no success in locating her for seven days, even though she was found in Christine Sharp's house - the first location the police were called to.
Day after day the police searches saw little progress, even the addition of highly-trained sniffer dogs, who were brought into the house, failed to find any trace of her.


So why were 100 officers AND sniffer dogs, who are trained to detect blood and evidence of composition, unable to find her for so long?
Neighbours in the New Addington estate where Tia lived have already expressed their disappointment in the police's performance, saying they felt let down.
Last night police refused to discuss where in the property the discovery was made

Three searches had already been carried out and detectives are investigating whether the 12-year-old’s body was moved between the roof spaces of neighbouring properties.
Retired Scotland Yard Commander John O'Connor is the most senior figure so far to go public with criticism of the way the case has been handled.

'The police should have gone into that house quicker. Clearly Hazell should have been treated as a suspect from the off. he was the last person to see Tia alive,' he told The Sun.
'if police have enough evidence to bring in sniffer dogs, then they have enough evidence to pull the place apart. It's unforgiveable they didn't do that.'

'You can't rely on a dog - you need human beings. They haven't done very well. That child should have been found much quicker.'
The alarm was first raised over Tia's disappearance on the evening of Friday August 3 when she did not appear for her dinner.
The police, some diverted from Olympics duty, with the help of local residents, began searching the local area on Saturday 4 August.

On Sunday 5 August a pair of glasses were found in a nearby street which was cordoned off. The glasses were later discounted.
Monday saw police begin to look through CCTV footage of of trams and buses between New Addington and Croydon, where Hazell said Tia was headed.
The next day saw specialist police search woodland known as Birchwood, The search included garages, sheds, outhouses, and a local school.
Refuse collections were then withdrawn in the local area to help the search.
Sniffer dogs were sent into Christine Sharp's house on Wednesday 8 August, specially trained to detect blood and evidence of composition. It was on this day when Hazell was interviewed as a witness.
The search returned to Christine Sharp's house on Friday 10 August, and this was when the body was eventually found.


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cherry berry ‏@cosyring
Once again the Police dogs come into their own in case of Tia Sharp, just as they did in Mccann case! #mccann

ORLY?

What, by causing a f*ck-up that was the total opposite of the f*ck-up they caused in the McCann case?

Listen to the real experts, dear. Dogs are just dogs.

A False Alert, or No Alert at all. That is the question. "Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune." Although I would probably have said, "Whether it is more noble", but I always was a bit of a purist. And correct English does not go down too well on The Internet because most of the cretins don't speak it, let alone understand it.
There is such a vast difference in this Case. No Dog Alert, and ultimately a dead body.
And I am sure that The Police had a dog in there before Wednesday. Bearing in mind that Cadaver Scent forms after One Hour and a Half. Okay? The child had been dead since at least Thursday Night by then.

Madeleine McCann. Dog Alerts three months later, but no body. Bearing in mind that according to theories there was insufficient time for any Cadaver Scent to form in Appartment 5A.
Both dogs in both Cases were trained to alert to Blood as well as Decomposition.
So who knows what either dog alerted to, if anything?

It's just coming through as breaking news that the Met has apologised for delays in finding Tia caused by 'human error'. No further info at present.

In total four scene examinations were made at the property on the New Addington estate, near Croydon, including a two hour search on August 5 which covered the location where the body was eventually discovered.

So much for all the fanciful 'theories' about bodies being moved, etc.

But August the 5th was four days before the body was found, so it can't have been there on August the 5th. Unless The Police were blind. Or it was hidden under something.

Sounds to me like Tia's body was there, and the police failed to use Number One Eyeball.

Insulation might hide a host of things? Also, the floors in those lofts are dodgy if you step on the plasterboard?

The Mail has a fuller version of it:

In a statement South-East London Area Commander Neil Basu said: 'It is important that we explain more about the circumstances of the searches.
'Four scene examinations were conducted of the property. The first followed immediately from the missing person report that was received on Friday 4 August. An initial visit was made to assess the situation and examine the property. This visit was not regarded or viewed as a full search of the property.
'The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers. This was conducted on 5 August over a period of two hours. All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered, five days later, on Friday 10 August.'
'An early review has been conducted and it is now clear that human error delayed the discovery of the body within the house. We have apologised to Tia's mother that our procedures did not lead to the discovery of the body on this search.'

'A third visit was undertaken on 8 August. This was not a search, but the attendance of a body recovery dog to assist the investigation team in their enquiries.
'It is not appropriate to comment further on aspects of the criminal investigation currently being conducted but our investigation was such that it was decided that a further intrusive search needed to be undertaken - it was that search, yesterday, which resulted in the discovery.
'On behalf of the Metropolitan Police I apologise for the distress and concern this delay will have caused.'


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So, the 'body recovery dog' failed to do any body recovering on Wednesday? What happened yesterday? Did they decide that - presumably - the loft was the only place Tia could logically be?

What a shambles.

Hounder attempting to explain this away:

without the EVRD dog, and the obviously still-suspicious 'human brain/s' that decided to take it to the grandmother's house for a third search, the perpetrators would have had more time to cover their tracks and possibly even get away with this. I get the feeling that wherever she was, Tia was well-hidden, from a human perspective

What ridiculous straw-clutching! The alleged perpetrators aren't exactly criminal masterminds, are they? And why is he/she calling it an 'EVRD' dog? That title was invented by their favorite dog person, who just happens to apparently own the only one in the world.

Are they seriously trying to kid themselves that the dog was going, Woof, woof, I smell Death Miasma from the attic on Wednesday - and the police decided not to bother looking?

The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers. This was conducted on 5 August over a period of two hours. All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered, five days later

Wot? No Death Scent left lurking while they were moving the body around? What happened to the Blue Bag? That child's dead body was in the vicinity of the house for eight days, and the dogs never copped it?

But what worries me is for how long did they think they were going to get away with this?

Doesn't bother me, Sabot, I suspect we are dealing with the kind of people who aren't too hot on 'thinking'. I doubt if there WAS any sort of plan.

Not our problem, Bonny. Tis one of theirs who done this. We all know that now. Such a pity that they didn't try a bit harder to COVER IT UP. A bit like that Convicted Paedophile they let in. Among others. You want the dregs? Look at MM and Havern's. They are all there.

Recap:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/tia-sharp-police-hold-murder-suspect-after-fourth-search-reveals-body-8030809.html

For seven days, police dog teams scoured woodland, searched dustbins and checked lock-ups on the down-at-heel estate where Tia Sharp went missing. Yesterday, as officers handed out leaflets and a senior officer prepared to address the cameras, the plan changed abruptly. Cordons went up and a search began of her grandmother's house.

After three previous searches of the house on The Lindens estate near Croydon, officers finally found a body. The force said it could not rule out the possibility that the body had been there all the time and was facing difficult questions about why the searches – involving both specialist officers and a dog team –failed to find anything.

Scotland Yard also faced potential embarrassment about how the prime murder suspect, Stuart Hazell, 37, eluded them for several hours until he was arrested in south London last night when he was spotted by a member of the public. He was being held at a police station on suspicion of murder.

In all the drama of the last twenty-four hours, it is being overlooked that a routine press conference was scrapped at the last moment.

That scarcely suggests forward planning by the police.

Are the haters incapable of reading?

cherry berry ‏@cosyring
@w_nicht The whole of the Police force would disagree with him, dogs are the most powerful weapon they have in fight against crime! #mccann

Have they somehow missed this bit?

The second visit was a full search of the property with the consent of the occupiers. This was conducted on 5 August over a period of two hours. All parts of the premises were searched including the location where a body was discovered, five days later, on Friday 10 August.'

Study after study has found that, while they are a valuable tool, dogs are NOT reliable.

http://news.sky.com/story/971506/tia-stuart-hazell-charged-with-murder

Stuart Hazell has been charged with the murder of 12-year-old schoolgirl Tia Sharp.

The 37-year-old, who is the boyfriend of Tia's grandmother, will appear before magistrates on Monday August 13.

Tia was reported missing on August 3. Her body, which has not yet been formally identified, was found at the home of her gran, Christine Sharp, in New Addington, Croydon, on Friday.

Two other people arrested in connection with the investigation have been released on bail to return to a south London police station.

They are believed to be Ms Sharp, 46, who was being held on suspicion of murder, and her next-door neighbour, 39-year-old Paul Meehan, who was arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender.


Tia was last seen on August 3

After Tia was reported missing nine days ago a massive search was launched involving more than 80 police officers, along with members of the local community.

Despite searching Ms Sharp's terraced property four times, police only discovered the body on Friday and have since apologised to Tia's mother for not finding it sooner.

A post-mortem examination on the body is expected to continue today.

Flowers, teddy bears and candles remain near Ms Sharp's house after neighbours and friends left tributes to Tia.

One message read: "Tia Sharp, beautiful angel, taken too soon, our thoughts are with all of you."

And the other two are out on bail:

The woman, 46, has been released on bail following her arrest on suspicion of murder, Scotland Yard said.

Officers have also freed Ms Sharp's next-door neighbour on bail pending further inquiries. Paul Meehan, 39, was detained by detectives on suspicion of assisting an offender.


On a different note, the hounders, strangely, seem to have lost interest in this matter and are pointlessly occupied inventing 'theories' about Robert Murat again.

All very odd.

This helps explain family relationships a bit:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4483154/Cops-say-sorry-as-Tia-gran-held.html#ixzz23JNf4rbb

Gran held on suspicion of helping lover murder Tia

By ANTHONY FRANCE, Crime Reporter, and TOM MORGAN
TRAGIC Tia Sharp’s gran was arrested yesterday on suspicion of helping her lover murder the 12-year-old schoolgirl.
Christine Sharp, 46, was in custody last night with Tia’s “grandad” Stuart Hazell, 37 — earlier found in woods after an eight-hour manhunt.
Their next-door neighbour Paul Meehan, 39, was also detained on suspicion of assisting an offender.

He gave cops an allegedly false statement about Tia’s seven-day disappearance.
The youngster’s body was found on Friday in the loft of the home Christine shared with Hazell in New Addington, South London.
Hours before her arrest, sobbing Christine — who has been wearing T-shirts appealing for information about Tia’s disappearance — told reporters: “I love her. I don’t know where she has gone.
“I don’t know how she has gone but she is not staying away by choice. I will help the police and everybody else every way I can, so will every one of my family. I just want my baby back.”
Hazell had said in a tearful TV interview before Tia’s body was found: “Did I do anything to Tia? No, I bloody didn’t.
“I love her to bits, she is like my own daughter.”

Christine’s ex — Tia’s real grandad Paul Sharp — poured out his anguish yesterday and said: “I hope her killer dies in jail.”
Grief-stricken Paul, 49, said he will not rest until justice is served for his “beautiful, happy girl”. He said he felt sick to the stomach after Christine was arrested.
Paul — due to take Tia on a caravan holiday this week — said his granddaughter will “burn like a candle in my heart until I die”.
He added: “It’s just horrible, terrible, heartbreaking. It’s killing me all this.”
Paul told how his son David, 28 — Tia’s uncle — was going to pick her up to join him at the caravan park he had booked. Danielle, his 12-year-old daughter by another partner, was looking forward to seeing Tia, her niece.
Paul said: “Now that’s all gone and I’m destroyed.”
Christine and Paul divorced 14 years ago. They had two children — David and Tia’s mum Natalie, 31. Paul said he will never forgive Christine for getting together with Hazell — who she knew had previously dated Natalie.
He said: “I don’t ever want to speak to her and I don’t even want to speak to my daughter. They have let that man back into their lives. Natalie got rid of him once and then Christine let him back in again. It’s disgusting and I don’t want to know.

“Hazell used to live on the street when he was homeless and they took pity on him.”
Construction worker Paul is furious that Christine is still linked to his family name. He said: “Her real name is Bicknell, That’s what she’s been using since our divorce.” Paul said that when he learned of Tia’s death he promised he would do everything to make sure the killer “pays”.
He said: “Whoever has done this to my granddaughter will pay, no doubt in my mind.


“Until I find out exactly what’s happened, I’m not feeling for anybody. All I feel for is Tia. I have made a promise to her that I will not leave it until justice is done.
“The candle is in my heart until I die. I don’t need to light a candle, the only time I lit a candle was to show her the way home in the darkness.”

Paul Sharp ... Tia's real grandad
Keith Perry
Paul had travelled to New Addington from his Newcastle home to help in the search for Tia.But he and Danielle went to a friend’s in Bognor Regis, West Sussex, after the shock of hearing that Tia’s body had been found.
Paul said: “I had to cuddle my 12-year-old who was crying in my arms. It’s horrible, terrible.
“Danielle grew up with Tia until she was six, It’s killing me all this. My daughter has been crying all night. This morning she won’t get out of bed, she’s cuddling her pillow. It’s awful.”

Paul told how Tia and Danielle were “best of pals”. He said: “They used to love playing cooking games together. Tia had this plastic cooker and was always making pretend tea and cakes and serving them to you.”
He first heard Tia was missing last Saturday when David phoned.
Paul said: “I was in shock. I said, ‘What do you mean, she is missing?’ He said the police had been informed and he would keep me up to date. He was in bits.”
Tia’s other grandad Stephen Carter, 52, yesterday left flowers and a card at a shrine of friends’ and neighbours’ bouquets, teddies and candles near the tragedy scene.

Stephen, of Northampton — whose son Steve, 30, is Tia’s natural father — vowed: “We will have our day in court. There will be justice for my granddaughter.” Stephen’s card said: “To my darling granddaughter, sleep peacefully my angel. Until we meet in heaven, lots of love grandad (Steve).”
A group of young mums were among those visiting the shrine.
One said: “We didn’t know her but wanted to pay our respects. I’ve got young children. I just can’t imagine what that family is going through.”

Meanwhile Tia’s mum Natalie and her husband David Niles are “in denial” about the murder, relatives said yesterday.
David’s mother Angie, 69, said: “It broke my heart to see him. He is in complete denial. I told him, ‘David, you have to face the facts now. You’ve got to open your eyes’. But he can’t. He still doesn’t believe that it’s Tia’s body. He said to me, ‘Mum, we just don’t know.
“It’s not just grief, he is in a state of complete shock. I asked him about the arrests, but he just doesn’t want to believe it.”
Meanwhile the family of arrested neighbour Paul Meehan were last night baffled by his detention.
His mother Gaynor, 60, who lives with father Peter, 66, in Swansea said: “We just don’t know what has happened. The first we knew of it was when it came up on the news. We haven’t been told anything else.”


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This really would be a good time for the forkers, haters and ghouls to stop likening Tia's death to Madeleine McCann's abduction.

Apart from anything else, the only people deluded and sick enough to rant about 'fake abductions' are THEM.

I am sure the police will be finding interesting things on laptops over the coming days.

Oh dear, now the hounders are trying to convince themselves that the reason Tia's body was not found on Wednesday, when the specialist dogs were in the house, is that dogs can't look upwards.

Which has to be the most pathetic piece of straw-clutching ever.

bb1 wrote:Oh dear, now the hounders are trying to convince themselves that the reason Tia's body was not found on Wednesday, when the specialist dogs were in the house, is that dogs can't look upwards.

Which has to be the most pathetic piece of straw-clutching ever.

What was Eddy doing trying to climb that wall in the garage?

I wish they would just have the decency to SHUT UP till more is known, Sabot - bunch of dribbling ghouls.

They might like to think about one not-so-small matter.

They are the only people who spout sh*te about 'Fake Abductions'. So, if the people involved in Tia's death did indeed think they could try that on, then they may well have got the idea from too many posts by JCL and her ilk.

They would be well advised to think very carefully before they pitchfork.

And here is a perfect example:

cherry berry ‏@cosyring
How many more children have to suffer in fake abductions copycat crimes - they see Mccanns still makin money out of Madeleine

Only forkers and haters think that way. I wonder what the people involved in Tia's death have been reading? Nothing wholesome, that's for sure.

That is horrible. Is she saying that Stuart Hazell killed that poor child just for the possible Fund Money? And that other families are planning to kill their children for the same reason?
Just how sick can they get.

It's disgusting, and no-one but them thinks that way. Look at how many of them are never done telling the world about how horrible their families are? Or that gillydot troll who didn't know anyone who had gardens longer than 50m?

I really think they would be well advised to stop this ghoulery when we know so little with any degree of accuracy.

Also, I have noticed that none of them seem to have condemned whoever cut Tia's life short - they are all too busy trying to somehow use her death as a stick to beat the McCanns with.

Shameful.