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Post  bb1 Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:24 pm

Many thanks, I will track that down when I have an idle hour. Though I do admit it is worrying to even be concerned about how Donald and Jacqueline got back from Morocco unscathed....

Maybe because Donald is similar in so many, many ways to a former heavyweight in this part of the internet Wink
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Post  Sabot Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:32 pm


There isn't anything even remotely politically correct about Benidorm, but it has me in stitches, so I am glad to know that I am not alone.
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Post  bb1 Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:44 pm

Here we go!

http://www.thomson.co.uk/destinations/europe/spain/costa-blanca/benidorm/hotels/hotel-sol-pelicanos-ocas.html

With five pools and a prime time slot on ITV, the Pelicanos/Ocas makes for a great getaway.
Much of the TV comedy series, Benidorm, is filmed at these sister hotels. Complete with five swimming pools, three whirlpool baths and plenty of evening entertainment, it’s no wonder this place caught the location scout’s eye.


It does look strangely familiar....

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Post  Lamplighter Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:12 am

Latest:

Telegraph.co.uk

Tuesday 13 November 2012

Jimmy Savile engineered his hit television shows to gain access to children he could abuse, the former policeman who helped expose the late entertainer as a paedophile has claimed.

By Sam Marsden7:00AM GMT 13 Nov 2012
The TV presenter and radio DJ created shows such as Top of the Pops and Jim’ll Fix It with the aim of enabling him to carry out sex attacks on hundreds hundreds of victims, the expert said.
Mark Williams-Thomas, a former child protection officer, is now working on a follow-up programme to his original ITV1 documentary about Savile’s abuse, which shocked the nation and triggered a crisis at the BBC when it was broadcast last month.
The new film looks at the full extent of the presenter’s predatory attacks on young girls and a smaller number of boys from his time at Radio Luxembourg in the 1950s onwards.
It also examines how he got away with it for so long, and whether the British establishment turned a blind eye.
Mr Williams-Thomas, who has spoken to more than 35 of Savile’s victims, said he had concluded that the TV star deliberately set up his shows so he could abuse children.
"In the previous programme it was unclear what came first. But I can very clearly tell you now that he created his television series as a vehicle for his offending,” he told the Radio Times.
"I believe he engineered his programmes within the BBC and Radio Luxembourg in order to gain access to children.
"The classic examples are Top Of The Pops, Savile's Travels, Jim'll Fix It - all of them gave him access to young children. That's why there were so many victims."
Mr Williams-Thomas said he realised just how wide the ramifications of his documentary were when Savile’s family removed the entertainer’s headstone from his grave and dumped it in landfill.
He said: “It was such a significant step. I don’t know why it shocked me but it did. It was a visual image – a message to the public from the family that said: ‘We believe this man was a child abuser.’”
The former policeman said he was uneasy about compensation-seeking lawyers becoming involved in the scandal because people might begin to question the victims’ motives.
He added: “That’s not the case for any of the victims we’ve included in the programme or any of those I’ve spoken to. They don’t want a penny from Savile. They just want the truth to be on record, to be listened to, to be believed.”
Scotland Yard launched an investigation into historic sexual abuse by Savile and others after the ITV documentary was broadcast on October 3.
So far detectives have identified about 300 potential victims and are following up more than 400 lines of inquiry.
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Post  Lamplighter Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:17 am

Mirror.co.uk

Jimmy Savile child abuse probe: TV star's close friends flee country as scandal probe grows

11 Nov 2012 00:00
At least two friends, who both worked at the BBC and were part of Savile’s inner circle in the late 1950s and early 60s, have gone abroad

Some of Jimmy Savile’s closest cronies – who police want to quiz over child abuse allegations – have fled Britain, the Sunday Mirror can reveal.

At least two friends, who both worked at the BBC and were part of Savile’s inner circle in the late 1950s and early 60s, have gone abroad.

They are of “great interest” to police, say investigators.

A source said: “Their names have come up. They face some ­uncomfortable ­questions.

"They may have been key ­players in what he was up to.” Neither were at their homes ­yesterday.

A neighbour of one said: “I haven’t seen him for a while now.

"I did have a phone call from him just after this kerfuffle started, ­apologising for any trouble I may be ­receiving by people calling for him.

"He didn’t volunteer where he was phoning from and I didn’t ask.”

Ex-cop Mark Williams-Thomas, who ­revealed the scandal in ITV’s Exposure, said: “People are looking over their shoulders and lying low.”

It is understood a second ­ITV ­programme will focus on Savile’s early career and his inner circle.

Investigators believe Savile may have abused children in the late 1940s, when he was a DJ in dance halls.

The inquiry into hundreds of abuse claims has seen Gary Glitter, 68, ­and Freddie Starr, 69, arrested.

Savile’s chauffeur Ray Teret, 71, has also been quizzed. All deny any wrongdoing.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:51 am

A source said: “Their names have come up. They face some ­uncomfortable ­questions.

A. Source? That can go in the bin, then.

Have you seen the Mirror's version of MWT's planned Xmas Grope-a-thon, LL?

Much the same:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-documentary-child-abuser-1432774

Mark Williams-Thomas says the three dozen victims he has interviewed for the new programme are seeking closure rather than money

So, they'll be telling their compo lawyers to un-freeze his estate so all those millions he left to charity can be distributed? No? Tells its own story.

While Savile died last year before being brought to justice, Williams-Thomas is convinced that others will soon stand trial for their involvement in the abuse. “I think there will be further arrests over the forthcoming days, weeks and months of people who were party to offending alongside Savile.”

Yeah, whatever. There's a limit to how many times even Gary Glitter can be arrested for being an oxygen thief. And let's hope no more of his witnesses are arrested for Historic Groping in the meantime.

I will not be watching his latest effort; there is a distinct smell of snake-oil coming off him.
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Post  Sabot Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:56 am


From that link I posted above there are already suggestions that some people might have been wrongfully convicted in The Wales Scandal. At the very least it is sounding unsafe.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:08 am

Look at the date on Mr Webster's piece, Sabot -

© Richard Webster, 2002

HE WROTE IT TEN YEARS AGO, BEFORE HIS DEATH.

None of this should ever have been broadcast.

As for MWT - let us not forget, this is the man whose last starring role in the media was sympathetically interviewing Tia Sharpe's step-grandfather - and failing to notice that Tia's body was decomposing a few feet above his head.

Very strong smell of snake-oil from MWT.
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Post  Sabot Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:12 am


Just who is this Mark Williams Thomas? I thought he was some sort of Police Official.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:23 am

No, he's more of a Cristovao, Sabot. He left the REAL police under a bit of a cloud years ago, and since then has been trying to carve out a career as a 'child abuse expert'.

The strange business of MWT and the funeral parlour is recorded here:

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/shady-past-of-mccann-supporter-mark.html

Morais, however, was rather taken with him:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/01/mark-william-thomas-on-mccanns.html
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:38 am

Incidentally, any sign of MWT explaining how on earth being a Radio Luxemburg DJ aided Savile in this supposed career of multiple groping?

I suppose he does know what Radio Luxemburg was?
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Post  Sabot Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:02 pm


So MWT is just another chancer.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:19 pm

He is certainly giving every impression of being one, Sabot.

And I trust his Xmas Grope-a-thon is going to be totally honest? That he will be telling millions of viewers about the forged letter? About the sex-changing arsonist? About Ms Wards' spell in jail for cheque fraud?

Not to mention telling all those millions of viewers about Ms Ward's book? The one in which she reveals how she claims to have exchanged sexual favours *cough* with Savile in return for ciggies and Clunk Click tickets?

No, I doubt it.

Now, it makes no odds to me whether the late Sir Jimmy is, in fact, being maliciously maligned when he cannot defend himself and prove he was a veritable saint amongst men. Or whether he was evil incarnate, a Rasputin of the airwaves, the Bluebeard of Broadcasting House.

What DOES annoy me is people telling giant PORKIES and self-appointed 'experts' on the make.

If MWT is what he claims to be, then he is not going to inflict another trail of compo-seekers, sorry, 'victims', on viewers. He is going to admit that the original allegations cannot be substantiated, that there are not going to be high-profile dawn raids on terrified celebs.

He is also going to admit that one of his original 'witnesses' has himself been arrested for non-Savile-related Historic Groping.

He won't, though, because that would be the end of the MWT career. He's just going to make more allegations and try to whip up mob hysteria all over again.

Which is why I won't be watching his Xmas Grope Special.
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Post  Sabot Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:32 pm


I can hardly believe that they didn't see this coming. You might get away with one dodgy witness and maybe one lie, but not wholesale. Someone was bound to come forward and say that certain things just weren't true. Other girls went to Duncroft, and they weren't all going to lie about what happened. Or did people like Mark Williams Thomas think that these other girls were in some way ashamed of being associated with Duncroft?
Sorry, a number of them aren't. Duncroft wasn't a school for criminals, it was a refuge for a lot of them.

I don't know what happened in Wales, but I don't like what I am reading about False Allegations.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:57 pm

And now for some light relief. Remember TTW4? He is now happy in his spiritual home, with Icke and the Lizard People:

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I saw some discussion a page or two back about a possible familial link between Savile's family and the Sax Coburg Gothas through the Bowes Lyon indiscretions.


In this clip Prince Charles the Freemason meets with Savile the Freemason yet the handshake the two men share does not show any evidence of Freemason sleight of hand.

The press were there to witness the meeting and it was a planned meeting, maybe Freemason recognition wasn't required between the 2 or perhaps they were shy of showing their secret shared loyalties to the world.

A possible third explanation might be the Freemason handshake between the 2 wasn't required as they are blood relatives.


alienship alienship alienship alienship

Another stunning insight from Icke's Truthseekers:

Oh yeah, its my personal opinion that QE2, was a twin. A brother, born minutes before her and deemed retarded. Could never be king. Kept a secret from the plebs and eventually passed on to a loyal member of their lodge, in Leeds perhaps, to bring up away from the Royal family. Swapped for a 2 year old kid from an eager to rise family ready to sacrifice their own child.

Calling himself "the duke" in his early life and "the king", in his later life. Little Jimmy was always protected.....you get my drift?


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So, his correct title was actually King James the VIII and III? That explains everything.....

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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:13 pm

Full story in comments at:

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/the-bureau-for-instigative-churnalism/#comments

Post at:

November 13, 2012 at 12:57

'Fiona' is the one who had the forged letter she falsely claimed was from the police, isn't she?

MWT would be well advised to investigate some of his 'victims' before he broadcasts more crap.
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Post  bb1 Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:16 pm

Downfall of the Tweeting investigator: News Bureau head quits after bragging about Newsnight probe
Iain Overton resigned as editor because of his explosive tweet sent about the programme, friends say
Reports indicate the programme was 'bounced' into running the item because of tweet
MP Andrew Bridgen called for backers of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism to end support


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2232067/Downfall-Tweeting-investigator-News-Bureau-head-quits-bragging-Newsnight-probe.html#ixzz2C7zPqOci
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

I wonder if MWT can hear those warning bells?
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Post  bb1 Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:49 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/freddie-starr-banned-from-being-alone-1434804

Quote:

Frayed comic Freddie Starr admitted he has hit rock bottom after he was banned by social services from being left alone with his own children.

It came after the beleaguered star – who revealed he feels suicidal – was arrested in connection with the Jimmy Savile abuse scandal.

Speaking to the Daily Mirror at his home, Freddie told how he fears his children could be taken into care as a result of police quizzing him on suspicion of sexually abusing a young girl over 40 years ago.

Looking dishevelled and puffing on a cigarette, he sighed: “My life is ruined. I feel so desperate at times I want to go and end it all.

“It’s heartbreaking because I’m totally innocent. It makes me feel suicidal. I don’t think I can ever work again – how can I put a comedy face on after this?”

The 69-year-old has vehemently denied claims he groped Karin Ward in Savile’s dressing room when she was an underage teen in the 1970s.

The former TV funnyman, who has vowed to clear his name, was arrested and then bailed earlier this month and has not been charged with any offence.

But because of the severity of the claims, social services have ordered that he cannot be left alone with his children.

The action by Warwickshire social services is standard procedure for someone facing such allegations.

Freddie can only have contact with the two youngsters, who live with him and fiancee Sophie Lea, 34, in Studley, Warwickshire, when she is present.

“I’m no sex pest,” insisted Freddie. “But right now I can only have supervised contact with my kids.

“If Sophie goes out I can’t be left alone with them in my own house. The way I’m being treated is humiliating. The kids are suffering too.”

The children are Freddie and his ex-wife’s six-year-old daughter and Sophie’s 12-year-old son.

With Sophie sitting next to him for support, Freddie went on to explain how social services swooped on his luxury home last week.

“A fella came round and told me that as police were investigating me they had to pass my details on to social services,” he recalled. “Protocol, he called it.

“I’ve had to sign a piece of paper to say I can’t be left alone with my own children and I must be supervised at all times by another adult whenever I’m with them.

“I was blazing with the fella and feel absolutely gutted, like some common criminal, yet I’ve done nothing wrong. I’m so angry but I had to comply else the kids could be taken into care.”

The visit came days after he was twice interviewed by detectives investigating the abuse linked to Savile. Ms Ward, 52, told police she was groped by Freddie in Savile’s dressing room in 1974 aged 14. Freddie was arrested days after Gary Glitter was quizzed by cops from Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan Police inquiry into the claims.

Freddie fumed: “I’ve been arrested and questioned all night on allegations I totally refute. Now I’m being persecuted by the care system. I’ve lost all faith and confidence in the law. There are criminals out there who have done terrible things and kids who need help – yet they pick on the innocent. It’s outrageous.”


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No doubt that will make Ms Ward happy when she reads that - is this her revenge on society because she was put into care, and then assorted of her own children were taken from her for their own protection?

Who is she going to shriek and point at next, in MWT's planned Xmas Grope Special?
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Post  bb1 Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:11 am

This is interesting. I thankfully didn't see it myself, but MWT has apparently been gracing a sofa this morning, where he was challenged to produce something resembling proof of his allegations.

According to what I am seeing here:

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1758362&page=9

he couldn't, became evasive, and declared that experts like him know these things.

I really, really hope the wheels are falling off his bandwagon.
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Post  Sabot Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:24 am


Experts like him know things, do they? Just like Amaral. He knew things about defrosting bodies in car boots. I wonder how he became an expert on that.
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Post  bb1 Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:37 am

It may just be me, but I do sense we are nearing a tipping point in this, Sabot.

His Lordship stopped a lot of the muck just by saying LAWYER.

The BBC, IMO, should have similarly stood up to MWT and his harpies. It should have been made crystal-clear that the reason the original report was pulled was that not one of the lurid 'allegations' could be substantiated - especially given who was making them.

MWT's latest 'allegations' are so stupid, thankfully, that many are now starting to question them.

From what I can make out, it is a matter of record that, far from orchestrating every detail of BBC light entertainment to aid and abet his Groping, Savile turned up, stood where he was told to stand, read his lines and went away again.

And if MWT cannot even stand up to scrutiny on a breakfast TV couch, then he really is in deep trouble.
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More and more people are commenting with dissent this last couple of days, Bonny. And MWT doesn't seem to be going down at all well. I suspect that the public are finding their courage, rather than changing their minds. You will always get an initial rush of morons ready to dish the dirt without proof, while it takes a bit longer to stand up and be counted.
Mark Williams Thomas may well have underestimated what he thought was his audience.
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Post  bb1 Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:05 pm

Witch-hunts have a habit of ending this way, don't they?

It is interesting to read the news, and see that REAL sex offenders are being investigated by the police, charged, brought to court, found guilty and sentenced in a proper, legal manner, without any hysteria and TV denounciations. Which is how it should be dealt with.

The claim that people are being 'protected' by masonic/jewish/lizard/catholic conspiracies is made a nonsense of by the investigations and convictions being conducted properly, without anyone pointing and shrieking on TV.
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No doubt that will make Ms Ward happy when she reads that - is this her revenge on society because she was put into care, and then assorted of her own children were taken from her for their own protection?

Sure sounds like that. She may not care how much damage she is causing to so many people, including children. mad

As for MWT, he should be ashamed of himself. He will get his in time too. mad
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