Re: Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:07 pm

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Stay in tonight - stay warm and watch myself & @NickyAACampbell catch wanted criminals ITV1 9pm / On the Run

Such touching modesty Rolling Eyes

I do hope someone does an expose on him before too long.

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:10 pm

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Purpose of On The Run is to show how well police & media can work together 4 common goal - works well - I explain why http://bit.ly/127C52D

Astounding! How does he get his head through the front door! And call me silly, but no, I DON'T like the police and media working together like this as they do NOT have common goals.

You can bet your bottom dollar that the media will not go along with what the police want.

No, the police will decide they want to look good on telly and go along with the media, which only cares about ratings.

**crazytony** Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:28 pm

"To date, in excess of 500 victims have come forward and we have recorded 200 allegations of sexual assault."
Am I to believe not one of these victims came forward before now?

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:40 pm

As far as I can make out, Tony, the group of 'victims' who were at Duncroft made complaints in 2007, while Savile was still alive. However, they couldn't provide the police with any evidence.

Oh, and they also refused to give statements on oath - which is always a bad sign.

It's this group whose case was demolished by Anna Raccoon.

And it didnt help when it transpired that one of them had faked a letter from Surrey police.

Oh, and one of them, Ms Ward, did jail time for fraud.

Now, I am sure it is just a coincidence, but MWT was a police officer in Surrey for ten or so years. Contrary to the impression he likes to give, he was only actually a detective for one year before he left the force.

Why he left, I don't know.

Almost at once, he ended up in court himself, on bizarre charges involving trying to blackmail a funeral parlour. He was found not guilty.

He's been hanging around as a media 'cop' for a while now. IMO, he knew all along that most of the Savile stuff was a crock, but thought he could get away with it.

I say 'most of', because I don't doubt that Savile was somewhat unsavoury. The Bluebeard of Broadcasting House? I doubt it.

The various reports are going to be fascinating. I didn't expect any reporting for months yet; the fact that it's been done so quickly suggests the whole thing has collapsed like a souffle.

Time will, as ever, tell.

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:04 pm

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-12-12/gary-glitter-re-bailed-by-savile-police/

Gary Glitter and man in 70s re-bailed by Savile police

Last updated Wed 12 Dec 2012

Former pop star Gary Glitter and a man in his 70s have been re-bailed by police investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was the first person to be arrested as part of Operation Yewtree, the investigation into allegations of sex abuse surrounding Savile and others.

The 68-year-old was detained at his central London home on October 28, before being questioned by officers and released on bail.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Two men arrested in connection with Operation Yewtree - a man in his 60s and a man in his 70s - have been re-bailed to return on dates in February 2013."

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Lord spare us, you would think the police could find SOMETHING to charge Gadd with - breathing? Air pollution? Something, surely, after all this uproar - and money.

And the other police baillee seems to be the irate retired producer, who went storming off to the Telegraph when he was arrested, rather than hiding away as expected.

For non-UK peeps, 'police bail' isn't like being out on bail.....it means the police have, so far, nothing to charge them with, but are still investigating.

And if the police haven't got it by now, I suspect they never will.

I can't believe they can't even find anything to charge the revolting Gadd with.

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:11 pm

Brunt's joined in now:

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt
#savile Scot Yard says it has recorded 31 rape allegations against Jimmy Savile, as it closes its investigation into him.

And each and every one of those allegations has been properly investigated in the space of two months. Not believing it.

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt
#savile 450 individuals made complaints of sex abuse against Savile, 139 against other suspects, says Scot Yard

I don't believe every single one of those 450 complaints has been properly investigated in the space of two months.

martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt
#savile Scot Yard promises there will be more suspects arrested over old sex allegations.

Yes, and they will be named on the internet by MWT and co, they will be released on police bail, and six months down the line, any possible charges will be quietly dropped.

If they can't even manage to charge the revolting Gadd, then what's the point of them?

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:22 pm

Police have confirmed that the number of alleged sex abuse victims of the late Jimmy Savile has reached 450.

The Operation Yewtree team said 589 alleged victims have come forward during their investigation of offences committed by Savile and others.

Detectives said 82% of all the alleged victims were female and eight out of 10 were children or young people.

Meanwhile, police have set up Operation Fairbank to investigate allegations made by the Labour MP Tom Watson.

Mr Watson said in October that police should investigate claims of a "powerful paedophile ring" linked to a previous prime minister's "senior adviser" and Parliament.

From:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20697738

**bb1** Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:49 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2246628/Police-raid-Oldie-offices-Yewtree-investigation.html#ixzz2ErOFs3hr

Police raid Oldie offices as part of Yewtree investigation
By EPHRAIM HARDCASTLE
PUBLISHED: 23:45, 11 December 2012 | UPDATED: 10:54, 12 December 2012
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Police have raided the offices of The Oldie magazine as part of the Yewtree investigation. Jimmy Savile’s friend/producer Wilfred De’Ath – one of the broadcasters they’ve questioned – is an Oldie contributor. Editor Richard Ingrams, 75, says: ‘They searched the premises and removed some material. By the way, I am not the elderly, unnamed, Berkshire resident they’ve brought in for questioning.’

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The mind boggles. Shocked

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:18 pm

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
Just read about Sacha Baton Cohen wearing a gold tracksuit with #Savile written on the back at Comedy Awards Not funny - just pathetic.

**Lamplighter** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:23 pm

Sacha ~~Baton~~ Baron Cohen - can't the stupid ignoramus get even that right? LL Hahau

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:31 pm

He's not in a very good mood today, people are asking him questions....

David Mac Dougall ‏@davidmacdougall
@mwilliamsthomas I wanted to ask legally - Saville's been accused, these are allegations, but not proven/guilty in a court of law? Yes/No?

Which gets the evasive answer:

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@davidmacdougall He is dead. Police have said very clearly Savile was a predatory child sex offender. Do u still doubt he was an offender?

Avoiding the point that it doesn't matter whether there was one allegation or one thousand allegations, without some sort of court judgement, they are still just allegations.

As for the 'the police say, so it must be true' - I don't think anyone here needs reminded of the endless miscarriages of justice in the UK due to the police saying things....

After all, the police said MWT himself tried to blackmail a funeral parlour. By MWT's logic, if there had been no trial, then he himself would have been guilty of blackmail.

**Sabot** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:42 pm

He sounds as though he is losing the plot.

And any Court will need a bit more than Police say so before they start releasing Jimmy Savile's money to his so called victims. Charities don't like having wads of money snatched from under their noses. Some of them have fought long and hard about this in the past, and with very good Lawyers.

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:55 pm

Quite, Sabot. There are lots of websites out there dedicated to nothing but the UK police saying something is true and someone is guilty - when it wasn't true and the accused wasn't guilty.

It's meaningless without some sort of court judgement.

To repeat myself, by that logic, because the police said MWT was a blackmailer, it must be true.

And no, I don't see the charities giving up that money without a fight, either. I can't even make sense of the difference between the number of complainants and the number of allegations.

**Lamplighter** Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:13 pm

There will be no payouts to anyone unless there is proof positive that these allegations are true and the assaults took place in real life not in someone's ££££/$$$$ dreams. And so far I don't see anythinmg tangible in all this, do you? LL

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:31 pm

All I've seen is she saids, LL - there aren't any he saids due to the accused being dead. It doesn't help that Savile could have been investigated and possibly charged when he was alive, but the complainers refused to give proper witness statements on oath.

Now, this doesn't mean Savile wasn't a dirty old man who couldn't keep his hands to himself, but how any of this can be proven, I do not know.

And there is NO WAY that so many allegations could have been fully investigated so quickly. I don't know what's going on; things might become clearer after the BBC report next week.

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:42 pm

Oh, now MWT's offended a forker:

Shhhh! ‏@Wonderwoody1
Blocked by @mwilliamsthomas eh? I shouldn't've challenged his tweets! Only asked if people other than celebs are to be arrested as paedos.
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11h Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Wonderwoody1 I was not aware I had blocked u. If you just asked if other people going to arrested other than celebs - answer is yes

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I missed any 'celebs' getting arrested.....what 'celebs' were arrested, then? Ancient has-beens don't count, in case MWT hasn't noticed.

**Sabot** Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:51 pm

I won't bore you all with the details of the number of times that The British Police have been wrong, even to the point of Conviction of Innocent People. You all know them just as well as I do. And possibly a few not yet discovered.
But the difference between us and the Low Life McCann Haters is that we are not afraid to say so. And we at least require some proof and a fair Trial before we convict anyone, even in our own opinion.
So far, I haven't seen any proof that Jimmy Savile was even a dirty old man, let alone a Sexual Predator. And if he did in fact sexually abuse anyone, I want to know why they waited for thirty odd years to say so.
And sorry, I can't go along with the idea that no Dolly Bird ever lies.

**Sabot** Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:06 pm

bb1 wrote:Oh, now MWT's offended a forker:

Shhhh! ‏@Wonderwoody1
Blocked by @mwilliamsthomas eh? I shouldn't've challenged his tweets! Only asked if people other than celebs are to be arrested as paedos.
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11h Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Wonderwoody1 I was not aware I had blocked u. If you just asked if other people going to arrested other than celebs - answer is yes

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I missed any 'celebs' getting arrested.....what 'celebs' were arrested, then? Ancient has-beens don't count, in case MWT hasn't noticed.

What constitutes A Non Celeb? Is the ordinary man in the street about to be arrested? Apart from them Rotters in Rochdale, that is, who incidentally, have got nothing to do with this. Apart from how long it took our wonderful Police to do anything about it.
I blame it on The Mayan Calendar. Oh, and The McCanns.

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:49 pm

What a very interesting exchange this is!

Edwina Currie ‏@Edwina_Currie
@mwilliamsthomas You must have been seriously fed up with the tossers who didn't turn up. Accurate on scrotes, fascinating to general public

2h Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Edwina_Currie Yes - was a very difficult day . Such a bad reflection on the forces that were brilliant

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Edwina_Currie Make you 'happy' or 'drunk'

2h Edwina Currie ‏@Edwina_Currie
@mwilliamsthomas Watching you chasing crims. Hubby sitting forward, watching intently, muttering "Yes!" every so often

2h Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Edwina_Currie Ah - yes - let me know what you both think ? Hope you have not had too many Gin's

Now, why is he twitterflirting with the woman who put Savile in charge of Broadmoor? Conflict of interest, I would have thought?

**bb1** Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:51 pm

Edwina Currie ‏@Edwina_Currie
@mwilliamsthomas Bet someone was cringing when it was broadcast! John did Roger Cooke prog 1995/6 finding prisoners AWOL, never broadcast

2h Edwina Currie ‏@Edwina_Currie
@mwilliamsthomas Carol Benwell ex Met Press Officer, was sidekick. Not shown cos rest of prog re Parkhurst, conspiracy with prison officer

I smell rats.

**Sabot** Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:42 pm

Does anyone believe that this is real people? And if not, is anyone capable of saying Bugger Off?
I think I have just about had it for now. I know that they are wrong, but I no longer care of what they think. I can't even be bothered any more.

**Lamplighter** Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:53 am

Savile Revelations Spark NSPCC Abuse Campaign
Sky News – 43 minutes ago

The NSPCC has launched a campaign in a bid to prevent people thinking sexual abuse is a problem from the past following the Jimmy Savile abuse revelations.
The children's charity is worried that due to many of Savile's victims being abused in the 1970s and 1980s, people may believe sexual abuse is not as common now as it was then.
The charity also fears people still do not know where to turn for help or that they will hesitate to report child abuse until they feel 100% certain.
Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, said: "By bravely speaking out, Savile's victims have done a great public service in raising awareness of child sex abuse and its long-lasting, devastating effect on victims.
"Our advert aims to remind people that child abuse remains a widespread problem and children are still abused today.
"To end their suffering and bring their abusers to justice we must all act now. Savile's victims waited decades to be heard and helped. We can't let this happen again.
"With this advert we want to send out a clear message about how vitally important it is to act on your suspicions and that the NSPCC is here to help you do this.
"Our trained counsellors will discuss your concerns and the best course of action."
Some 589 people have come forward with information relating to the Savile scandal, with a total of 450 complaints against the the BBC presenter and DJ himself, mainly alleging sexual abuse, Scotland Yard said.

**bb1** Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:03 pm

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
The word child prostitution is not a term we should use - either child trafficking or child sexual exploitation

What? Why is he trying to whitewash it?

Mark Williams-Thomas ‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Archie_V This is why : Prostitution is the act of offering self for hire to engage in sexual relations. Children r forced -never consent

WTF? It's no such thing - why is he denying the reality of pimps, trafficking, etc? He's getting ar@ey with someone who disagrees....

Archie Valparaiso ‏@Archie_V
@mwilliamsthomas Yes, but that's irrelevant - many women are forced too. But prostitution refers to the activity, which needn't be voluntary

Gets the answer:

Mark Williams-Thomas
‏@mwilliamsthomas
@Archie_V I think we will agree to disagree - have a good day

I don't know what MWT is up to, but I am getting very suspicious. Others have noticed he only seems interested in making his name with Savile stuff. Despite him being a self-proclaimed 'child abuse expert', he has shown no interest at all in whatever has been going on in state homes which are supposed to 'care' for children, be they in Rochdale or Wales.

He isn't going anywhere near the really nasty stuff, just Historical Groping allegedly by ancient former BBC celebs.

As for his describing prostitution as 'voluntary' - what's that all about?

**bb1** Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:32 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-sex-abuse-scandal-1491904

Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal: Cops arrest world-famous pop legend

15 Dec 2012 22:00
Platinum-selling star was on paedophile list along with the shamed DJ

A WORLD-famous pop star is being investigated over alleged sex offences after his name was passed to police working on the Jimmy Savile case.

The platinum-selling artist, a household name, is one of 25 figures facing probes under Operation Yewtree, which began after the Savile scandal broke earlier this year.

Police are also expected to arrest a film director in the next few weeks.

The name of the pop star was first handed to police in 2008 when a convicted sex offender claimed he was part of a paedophile ring with Savile.

The paedo was in Whitemoor Prison, Cambs, at the time and passed a list of other child sex offenders to his probation officer. It is understood the list was handed to police but there was not enough evidence for them to act.

Now his name has come up again, he is being “actively investigated”, according to sources close to the inquiry.

Ex-pop star Gary Glitter, comic Freddie Starr, former BBC producer Wilfred De’Ath, DJ Dave Lee Travis and PR guru Max Clifford have already been arrested as part of Operation Yewtree. However, not all are being investigated in relation to allegations of under-age sex, and all deny any wrongdoing.

The latest revelations come as one of Savile’s youngest alleged victims told how he sexually assaulted her at the age of eight after promising to help find her mum. The pop pervert lured Michelle Bullivant into the front seat of his car where he put his hand up her skirt.

Michelle, now 46, has reported the attack to detectives, who are probing 450 abuse claims against Savile, including 31 suspected rapes.

Speaking for the first time about the attack, Michelle said she had run away from her dad’s house and walked to Leeds city centre hoping to reach her mum who lived in Skegness, not realising it was more than 100 miles away.

Seeing her lost and confused, Savile stopped his car and offered to help.

Michelle said: “He wasn’t smoking his cigars but he stunk of tobacco and it’s a smell I’ve never forgotten.

“I’ve absolutely no doubt it was him, what with his fair hair and the way he was dressed. I’d seen him on television so thought I could trust him to help.” Instead, he warned her to “be a good girl and not make a fuss” before he began sexually abusing her.

When she started crying hysterically, Savile panicked, drove to wasteland and dumped her.

Michelle said: “I had no idea where I was, but I remember thinking I had to get as far away from him as possible.

“I ran as fast as I could before a patrol car stopped and I was taken to the police station.

“I didn’t tell them about Savile, only that I was trying to find Mum.”

Michelle, a horse riding instructor and child carer who now lives in Paignton, Devon, said: “I should have complained about what he did, but I didn’t because I felt dirty and ashamed.

“Expecting Savile to help me was naive, I know, but at the time I trusted him. I really believed he’d help.”

Michelle, who has waived her right to anonymity, said she is pleased Savile has been exposed. She added: “What that horrible man did has haunted me all my life, but like all the girls who have since complained about his attacks, no one would have believed any of us back then. Now he has rightly been exposed as a serial sex abuser hiding behind a cloak of false respectability.

“My situation mirrors that of many women. As youngsters, they too suffered in silence and stayed quiet as grown-ups in the belief that nobody was likely to take their allegations seriously.”

**Lamplighter** Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:58 am

I found this on the Huffington Post, very interesting take on the Savile matter. LL

Scott Capurro, Comic, actor and author

Defending Jimmy Savile
Posted: 17/12/2012 00:00

Firstly, might I remind everyone his last name is spelled with one 'L', not two? I've seen Jimmy's surname misspelled in print several times, and that's an abuse glorious bookworms, like those who peruse the pages of The Huffington Post UK, should not tolerate.

Nor should the reader tolerate child abuse, unless it's an integral part of a fictional story, the way some of these allegations against Jimmy Savile seem to be. Yes, he was egomaniacal, and yes, he liked the attention of young women, which, even more than his banal jokes, made him an average comic. But a pedophile? Where's the proof? Where are the leather shorts? He did have a mullet, which puts him one lap dance closer to being a fiddler, so glam rockers beware!

And everyone else, really. Years ago, in the hallowed, and, if you believe rumours, rapacious halls of the BBC, a notoriously combative Australian lady leaned in and whispered we're all paedophiles, we all like youth and beauty, but some of us take it a step too far. If by 'a step too far', she meant Savile, I never asked. I was too busy rummaging through my own memories, wondering how I'd managed to slip through the net when black boys on skateboards make me perspire and stare. But I realised I'd never approach a black boy, because my face is my calling card and my nose job cost five grand.

What makes me even more nervous than a beating is a trial in absentia. Savile cannot face his accusers. They're all too old to hold his interest, and anyway he's dead. One wonders why, if the pain they allegedly withstood was so great, the suffering so unmanageable, they didn't indict Savile before he passed away? His 'victims' were, as we've all heard, terrified of his power. But everyone was afraid of Savile. He was creepy! Lewd, lascivious, lecherous, these were the staples of TV presenters in the '70s. So why is Savile being crucified for most men's slightly groping, misplaced, but ultimately harmless affections? What's in a peck on the cheek, other than a potential tongue? Isn't a hand on the knee just a simpler way of saying 'me likey'?

Snipped as not relevant LL

One might surmise that Savile is being raked over the coals for his commonness. A Northerner, a Catholic, a coal miner, he was eventually knighted, and, somewhere along that uphill grind we call show, made enemies. His ostentatious cigar smoking sickened Oxbridge graduates at the Beeb, as he blew holes 'round their starched shirted, constipated snobbery. Savile might now be on trial for his lower class origins, for being popular, successful and a Eurovision supporter. But perhaps his only real crime was his unwillingness to cut his hair.

Perchance he was young at heart, and the only people he felt didn't judge him negatively were the little ones. Children offer unconditional love, he felt at home with them, and they are flirty. They always look back.

If Jimmy was inappropriate with kiddies, conceivably the pressure of fixing everything left him damaged. Snipped as might offend religious people LL Jimmy was human and couldn't live without a sensitive touch. Maybe we're all to blame for ignoring the man, and praising the idol.

I'm aware this is a careful subject, and to the victims, if they exist, might I offer these words of illumination: At least you were chosen. I spent twelve years in Catholic school, and those priests never came near me.

That is a crime I'll have to die with.

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