Jimmy Savile accused in ITV documentary

bb1 wrote:I reckon he must have been a clone, Sabot - there must have been at least four of him.

One was appearing on telly, yodelling and shouting Howzabout that, then?

One was pounding up and down the country, raising money for charity.

Another one was groping anything with a pulse, and one or two without pulses, according to the more ghoulish imaginings.

The fourth was plotting with Mossad and the Queen to take over the entire world for the Masonic Lizards.

'Tis, witchcraft, I tell 'ee!

He doesn't seem to have had much time to himself, does he. I once saw him run a Marathon from Exeter to Plymouth, and that's no mean distance.
83, was he? Miraculous.

I am actually enjoying the irony of men, in the form of the police and others, producing that PC, fuzzy, useless non-investigation.

And the CPS in the feminine form of Alison Levitt Q.C., producing the logical, comprehensive and clear-cut report on events which led to charges not being brought earlier.

I don't think we expected anything else from The Police, did we?
Quite possibly these accusations should have been tested in Court, but even by then they were historic, and coming from emotionally disturbed women who had conveniently gotten together on The Internet.
I'm really sorry, but I just can't see Jimmy Savile committing all of these reported acts of abuse against young girls without someone knowing, and then proceeding to do absolutely nothing about it. Instead they are all saying that they had no idea. It just doesn't make sense.
And now these bloody cowards are frightened to death that they might be tarred with the same brush. And afraid to say that they don't believe it.

I must admit that I had a little think before I said that I didn't believe it, and I did this before Anna had the courage to say that she had proof that at least some of it wasn't true. What a relief that was. It was a bit scary, actually, because I wondered if some of you might hate me. So I do understand why some people are reluctant.
But Esther Rantzen ought to feel ashamed of herself. Suggesting that someone is guilty without any proof is abuse of another kind.

Of course we don't hate you, Sabot.

Honestly though, this is all so very OTT. It doesn't even sound real, to the point that its hard to believe any of it.

Did they think he was Superman?

That's the trouble, Sabot, no-one wants to put their head above the parapet in the current climate of hysteria and say, This is bollocks.

It's being said enough in private, and in the quieter corners of the internet, but few people want to put themselves in the path of the baying mob. It's a witch-hunt, pure and simple, a real, genuine moral panic for our times. And I personally am disgusted with the police.

They didn't attempt to investigate anything. Nothing as basic as, Where and when did this happen? Was anyone else around? Did you speak to, say, a friend after?

They didn't try to corroborate anything - they didn't even bother to speak to most of the 'victims'.

That report is a bl**dy disgrace to a society which is supposed to be a democracy, and have laws. Good God, the location of many of the 'offences' is listed as unknown.

Couldn't the police have done something as basic as FOUND OUT? Likewise Duncroft being on that graph - YEARS BEFORE SAVILE HAD EVEN SET FOOT IN THE PLACE.

It's inexcusable for any police force to produce a heap of sh*t like that, though no doubt it's all very PC, sensitive and empowering. I am genuinely ashamed of the Met police today - any of us could have produced that garbage from reading the media and the internet.

Now, I have no doubt at all that Savile had a very dark side, and was frankly, a dirty old man with an unhealthy interest in young girls. I also have no doubt that some of the allegations are 100% genuine, and should have been dealt with a very long time ago.

BUT - who knows which are genuine and which are not? I did expect the police to at least make some attempt to sort them out. They haven't bothered to, which in the end is going to get all the complainers tarred with the same brush.

And the 'victims' need not kid themselves that all is going to be sunshine and roses from now on; when the tabloids get tired of headlines about Savile the Monster, they will do a screeching U-turn, because they don't actually care.

They just want to sell more papers.

Here's an idea. Maybe all the GENUINE victims could issue a statement saying, We wouldn't dream of taking a penny from the taxpayers or licence-payers, and certainly not from charities. We just wanted to tell our stories. Now we have. We don't want money.

I will believe anyone who makes it clear they don't want money; I will be...sceptical...about anyone who has gone to a compo lawyer. Or who has a mis-mem to sell.

Now, I cannot stand Jim Davidson either, but I now hope his lawyers fight the mud slung at him, not least by the police, with that farcical arrest, all the way.

And if the Met police think they have helped protect one single, abused child in the UK in 2013, with this heap of rubbish, they are sadly mistaken. IMO, in the long term, they will be seen to have made matters worse.

*rant over*

lily wrote:Of course we don't hate you, Sabot.

Honestly though, this is all so very OTT. It doesn't even sound real, to the point that its hard to believe any of it.

Did they think he was Superman?

I guess that I am just so tired of The Internet Witch Hunt, Lily. Nearly six years of it. And now The British Police are doing it. Not that they haven't before. But is there no Police Force that anyone can trust?
Portugal could well be laughing it's socks off at the moment.
Not that the McCann Hunters would realise the irony.

But, but....this is, like, TOTAL POLICING from the Met Massif. How could anyone fail to have, like, total respect for a bunch of coppers who couldn't even be bothered to do the most basic fact-checking before they starred on telly?

God help the people of London if this is the Met's idea of TOTAL POLICING.

I am a Londoner, born and bred. A Mouthy Cow in parlance, although not actually in fact.
I think I am probably somewhere around Middle Class, but only by my own efforts, having grown up in The East End.
I dumped any faith in The Police about thirty years ago when I realised that they would rather attack the likes of fools like me than the real criminals who are much too smart for them.

http://www.channel4.com/news/savile-50-victims-to-sue-for-compensation

Savile: more than 50 victims to sue for compensation

More than 50 of Jimmy Savile's sex abuse victims are seeking compensation for the trauma they suffered by him. But as well as suing his estate, the victims could look for damages from the taxpayer.

Note the deliberate, IMO, use of the word 'taxpayer'. And watch sympathy evaporate when it sinks in with the Great British Public that it is them who are going to be funding this witch-hunt.

Look now, I have already said it. They will demand compensation where ever they can. And it won't just be from Jimmy Savile's Estate.
I have no real desire to label them as money grabbing arseholes, but this is what it has become.
I hope they lose every inch of the way. This is not the way of a genuinely abused person. We would not even know if this was the case.

Latest:

News Greater Manchester News Crime
By Dean Kirby, 23 Jan 2013 07:10

BBC star Stuart Hall has been charged with the raping a woman and indecently assaulting of 10 girls.

Police confirmed that the 83-year-old TV and radio presenter, from Wilmslow, has been charged with the alleged rape of a 22-year-old woman in 1976.

He has also been charged with 14 counts of indecent assault between 1967 and 1986.

The assaults are alleged to have been committed between 1967 and 1986 on 10 girls aged between nine and 16.

Mr Hall, a former North West Tonight presenter, appeared in court in Preston this month charged with the indecent assault of three girls aged between eight and 17 in the 1970s and 1980s. He pleaded not guilty to all charges.

He was charged with the latest alleged offences after he attended an appointment at a police station in Lancashire.

A spokesman for Lancashire Police said: “Following consultation with the Crown Prosecution service, an 83-year-old man has been charged with one offence of rape and 14 offences of indecent assault.

“Stuart Hall, from Wilmslow, was arrested this morning after attending a police station in the county by appointment.”

Following his arrest, he was released on bail to appear before magistrates in Preston on February 7.

Mr Hall, who was born in Ashton-under-Lyne, joined the BBC in 1959 and quickly forged a successful career in journalism.

He presented the BBC regional news programme through its guises as Look North, Look North West and North West Tonight from the mid-1960s to 1990.

The sports commentator and former It’s A Knockout presenter, who was awarded an OBE in the Queen’s New Year’s honours list, is one of the region’s best known TV personalities.

He has been a familiar face and voice in British broadcasting for half a century and known to football fans for his eccentric match commentaries on BBC Radio 5 Live.

He was awarded the OBE for services to broadcasting and charity in January – and described the honour as one of the happiest days of his life.

Thanks, LL - at least this one is going to be tested in court.

This is worth a read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267025/BBC-presenter-Stuart-Hall-questions-polices-clear-pursuit-celebrities-charged-historic-sex-offences.html

As his lawyer says,

'It would be inappropriate to make further comment pending trial'.

Err, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't someone say, long ago, that telling their story and making sure this kind of thing never happened again was the SOLE reason for speaking out and money did not enter the equation? LL

Yes, all concerned were adamant that they weren't after money, LL.

How they can now try to take money from taxpayers, licence payers, hospitals and charities I do not know.

Ah well, the courts can sort it out.

ALLEGED victims of Jimmy Savile from Duncroft Approved School for Girls in Staines are among a number of people suing his estate and the BBC.

A writ was issued at the High Court on Wednesday following an application by Manchester-based legal firm Pannone on behalf of 31 alleged sex abuse victims.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2128948_duncroft_pupils_among_savile_legal_action_group

Another lawyer representing more than 60 of Savile's alleged victims, Liz Dux, has previously confirmed all of them would be pursuing civil claims for compensation.

She said her clients, again including former pupils at Duncroft - where Savile was said to have had "free reign" during the 1970s and where nine attacks were said to have taken place - would sue his estate and also pursue claims against organisations responsible for where the alleged abuse took place.

However, at this stage they have withheld from proceeding with any legal action.

Ms Dux said: "We are representing over 60 of Savile's victims with allegations against all the various main parties.

"We are in meaningful discussion with all the potential defendants including the Savile estate and we don't believe that commencement of litigation to be either necessary or in our clients' best interests.

"Should that position change we will take action accordingly," she added.

Sounds to me like they don't want to go to court?

Ha! Got any proof yet, have they? Of course they don't want to go to Court.

I simply don't know what to say because I already know that they are going to get away with this. And I don't think that I care all that much anymore. What is there to care about? Jimmy Savile is dead, and he won't care. And a bunch of silly girls are going to get tuppence bloody appeny by the time The lawyers have done with them.
I give up. I concede defeat. And I don't much care about what happens to The BBC.

The people who are going to be penalized - taxpayers, licence payers, hospital patients and charities - had absolutely NOTHING to do with whatever Savile did, or did not, do.

Is money going to make the alleged victims feel one bit better, when it comes from people who had nothing to do with Savile? I doubt it, not that there will be much left for any of them once the lawyers have had their cut.

You can not, IMO, put right one injustice by committing another one, and they are liable to find national sympathy in short supply once it sinks in that it is the public who are going to be expected to pay for Savile's alleged misdeeds.

But they won't know, Bonny. They are entirely incapable of doing the sums or sussing that the tax payer will ultimately pay.
This is such insanity that it is beyond belief.

The BBC however, is capable of fighting back, but why should the likes of Anna Raccoon care? Some of the truth is out there, but no one really wants to know. No one wants to know about women like her who survived and were well cared for. You have to be a Victim these days, otherwise you are irrelevant.
Have it, say I, and bully for them. It will do them no good, while the likes of Anna will go on.
I really can't be bothered to fight any more. My fight was fifty years ago, and it never was as a Victim.
Have it. Stuff it. I simply don't care.

BBC News: 15 February 2013 Last updated at 10:06
Coronation Street's Michael Le Vell charged with child rape

Coronation Street actor Michael Le Vell has been charged with a string of sex offences, including raping a child.

Police said the 48-year-old who plays Kevin Webster in the soap is also accused of indecently assaulting a child and sexual activity with a child.

ITV said the actor will not be appearing in the soap "pending the outcome of legal proceedings".

Mr Le Vell, whose real name is Michael Turner, is due before magistrates in Manchester on 27 February.

He faces a total of 19 charges relating to crimes allegedly committed between 2001 and 2010.

Alison Levitt QC, principal legal adviser to the Director of Public Prosecutions, said she had reviewed a decision not to prosecute Mr Le Vell following allegations made against him in 2011.

She said: "I have very carefully reviewed the evidence in this case and I have concluded that there is sufficient evidence and it is in the public interest to charge Michael Robert Turner with a number of sexual offences.

"I have authorised Greater Manchester Police to charge Mr Turner with 19 offences, including rape of a child.

"Mr Turner has now been charged with criminal offences and has a right to a fair trial."

The actor, from Hale in Greater Manchester, has played the role of garage mechanic Kevin Webster for 30 years, making him one of the longest-serving performers in Coronation Street.

An ITV spokesman said: "Given the serious nature of these charges, Michael Le Vell will not be appearing in Coronation Street pending the outcome of legal proceedings.

"It would not be appropriate for us to comment further at this time."

That sounds a very different kettle of fish from the Saville business, LL, not least because it is going to be dealt with by a court, not tabloids.

bb1 wrote:That sounds a very different kettle of fish from the Saville business, LL, not least because it is going to be dealt with by a court, not tabloids.

It was flagged up on the TV under 'Savile'. I suppose any celeb is automatically tarred with the savile brush. LL

It does sound a bit different, and it's recent instead of forty years ago. But I have become so suspicious of it all that I am saying nothing.

We aren't going to know anything much until it goes to court - which is as it should be.

Allegations which have been PROPERLY investigated, and which are then heard in court, in the course of a fair trial, have nothing to do with the Savile nonsense, and trial by tabloid.

Your suspicions are exactly what I mean about the Savile hoo-ha doing damage to child protection, Sabot, which is not a dig at you, but the public are increasingly reacting like that.

There are some sick fkcs out there who should be locked up for the rest of their lives, and I don't want to see them walking free because the Savile witch-hunt has made people cynical.