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http://wingsoverscotland.com/nick-clegg-signs-another-pledge/
On why that dross ^^^^^ from the Record is meaningless.
On why that dross ^^^^^ from the Record is meaningless.
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I can't watch it, Lily, it says the uploader has not made it available in your country. Pity.
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Sorry Bonny. It is funny.
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Oh, that's a pity! I do read US sites, and I can see that this can all be very confusing; not least because there are so many different political parties involved, and not just two.
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That is hilarious, lily, thanks for podting it up! LL
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I iz bein discruminated against, I iz, my yuman rites have been offended! I want a yuman rites lawyer!!!!!
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Aw, diddums! Try this link. LLbb1 wrote:I iz bein discruminated against, I iz, my yuman rites have been offended! I want a yuman rites lawyer!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0
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What those three lying clowns aren't telling people - aka the truth:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/boris-johnson-vows-to-resist-scots-tax-devolution-
Boris Johnson vows to resist Scots tax devolution
SCOTTISH INDEPENDENCE: Boris Johnson was accused of wanting to “turn the screw on Scotland” after he said the UK should resist handing new tax raising powers to Holyrood if independence is rejected next month.
The London mayor stated his opposition to devolving greater tax responsibilities to Scotland as a poll showed he had opened up a big lead over his rivals as the politician the public would like to see replace Tory Party leader David Cameron.
Nationalists last night seized on the intervention to warn that Mr Johnson’s comments offered a “grim insight” into Scotland’s future devolution prospects in the event of a No vote and a Johnson premiership.
Some 34 per cent of voters interviewed believe the London Mayor – who announced last week that he will seek to return as an MP at the general election – should be the next Tory leader.
The YouGov poll found he was 19 points ahead of Home Secretary Theresa May, while Chancellor George Osborne was third favourite with just 9 per cent.
However, in a departure from Mr Cameron’s stance on devolution Mr Johnson insisted there is “no reason” for pledging more powers to the Scottish Parliament over tax and spending in the event of a No vote.
Mr Cameron backed handing Holyrood the power to set its own rate of income tax and levels of some benefits as part of a package of enhanced devolution as set out in the party’s Strathclyde commission.
However, Mr Johnson, when asked about the plan, became one of the most senior Tories to set out his hostility to greater devolution for Scotland as he said greater powers should instead be handed to England’s major cities.
He said: “Alex Salmond has been thrashed in these debates, but for no reason we are promising the Scots more tax raising powers. There’s no need.
“What has England ever got out of this devolution process? If you want to have growth in the English cities then you should do what Manchester wants, what Liverpool, Leeds and all of us want – and that’s more tax raising powers.”
Pro-independence campaigners said there was now a serious prospect of Mr Johnson emerging as the UK prime minister after the 2015 General Election.
Blair Jenkins, Yes Scotland’s Chief Executive said: “With Boris Johnson being tipped for the Tory leadership, we’ve been given a sobering insight into the reality of what additional powers will be offered in the event of a No vote.
Anyone that believes the Jam Tomorrow promises needs their heads examined, frankly. With Boris and Farage in charge, Scotland will be lucky to get a scrape of reduced to clear margarine.
Oh, and I must have missed the debates where Alex Salmond was 'thrashed'. They must have been special debates, only shown in London.
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Retweeted by Wings Over Scotland
Stewart McDonald @StewartMcDonald · Sep 15
David Cameron has managed to sail through entire #indyref campaign without speaking to a single voter out with staged rallies. Astonishing.
Yup.
Stewart McDonald @StewartMcDonald · Sep 15
David Cameron has managed to sail through entire #indyref campaign without speaking to a single voter out with staged rallies. Astonishing.
Yup.
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ories’ Broken Pledge 1979 referendum:-
Alec Douglas Home assures Scots “better” devolution would come if we voted No.
Outcome : nothing (other than 18 years of Thatcherism).
Cameron’s Broken Pledges:-
1. “We have absolutely no plans to raise VAT.”
VAT raised from 17.5% to 20% in Osborne’s first budget.
2. Child benefit : “I wouldn’t means-test it.”
Child benefit abolished for higher earners & frozen for 3 years.
3. No cuts to front line services : 5870 NHS nurses, 7698 hospital beds, a third of ambulance stations, 5362 firefighters, 6800 frontline police officers….all cut.
4.NHS : “no more top down reorganisations”
Cameron goes on to lead the biggest top-down re-organisation in NHS history. Privatisation proceeds apace.
5. Future Jobs fund : “no plans to change”
Fund abolished 24 May 2010.
6. Osborne on bank bonuses (pre-2010 election) :”totally unacceptable”
As Chancellor – Osborne takes legal action against EU Commission over its plans to cap payments.
7. Education Maintenance Allowances : “we don’t have any plans to get rid of them” (January 2010)
Allowances abolished 9 months later.
Clegg:-
SIGNS a pledge before 2010 GE to vote against any increase in tuition fees.
Post-election, votes with Tories to increase fees to £9000 per annum.
But now they're telling the truth and there will indeed be Jam Tomorrow? Aye, right.
Alec Douglas Home assures Scots “better” devolution would come if we voted No.
Outcome : nothing (other than 18 years of Thatcherism).
Cameron’s Broken Pledges:-
1. “We have absolutely no plans to raise VAT.”
VAT raised from 17.5% to 20% in Osborne’s first budget.
2. Child benefit : “I wouldn’t means-test it.”
Child benefit abolished for higher earners & frozen for 3 years.
3. No cuts to front line services : 5870 NHS nurses, 7698 hospital beds, a third of ambulance stations, 5362 firefighters, 6800 frontline police officers….all cut.
4.NHS : “no more top down reorganisations”
Cameron goes on to lead the biggest top-down re-organisation in NHS history. Privatisation proceeds apace.
5. Future Jobs fund : “no plans to change”
Fund abolished 24 May 2010.
6. Osborne on bank bonuses (pre-2010 election) :”totally unacceptable”
As Chancellor – Osborne takes legal action against EU Commission over its plans to cap payments.
7. Education Maintenance Allowances : “we don’t have any plans to get rid of them” (January 2010)
Allowances abolished 9 months later.
Clegg:-
SIGNS a pledge before 2010 GE to vote against any increase in tuition fees.
Post-election, votes with Tories to increase fees to £9000 per annum.
But now they're telling the truth and there will indeed be Jam Tomorrow? Aye, right.
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....And a shiver of fear runs through the pollsters:
‘A polling Waterloo is possible...we might have called it very wrong’: Leading pollster says referendum could be biggest embarrassment for industry since 1992 general election
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757621/Leading-pollster-says-referendum-biggest-embarrassment-industry-1992-general-election.html#ixzz3DTTevlm8
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Have they finally noticed that hundreds of thousands of ADULT Scots have registered to vote for the first time ever? And they haven't registered to say, Oh, I just love being treated like sh*te, I like using food banks and having WMDs moored just down the road. I like seeing Scots get killed in illegal wars. I approve of the NHS being privatised. I like being at the bottom of the heap, with the disabled and sick being treated as sub-human while our Imperial Lords and Masters get richer and richer.
I approve of all this so I've registered to vote for the first time ever to say No, give me more misery and poverty!
Of course they haven't! Every single one of them is voting YES.
‘A polling Waterloo is possible...we might have called it very wrong’: Leading pollster says referendum could be biggest embarrassment for industry since 1992 general election
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2757621/Leading-pollster-says-referendum-biggest-embarrassment-industry-1992-general-election.html#ixzz3DTTevlm8
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Have they finally noticed that hundreds of thousands of ADULT Scots have registered to vote for the first time ever? And they haven't registered to say, Oh, I just love being treated like sh*te, I like using food banks and having WMDs moored just down the road. I like seeing Scots get killed in illegal wars. I approve of the NHS being privatised. I like being at the bottom of the heap, with the disabled and sick being treated as sub-human while our Imperial Lords and Masters get richer and richer.
I approve of all this so I've registered to vote for the first time ever to say No, give me more misery and poverty!
Of course they haven't! Every single one of them is voting YES.
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http://www.energyvoice.com/2014/09/hurricane-energys-west-sheltland-well-flow-20000bpd/
Independent oil and gas explorer Hurricane Energy has announced that its Lancaster well West of Shetland could flow twice as much oil as previously expected.
Appraisal work on the one kilometre horizontal well in the remote West of Shetland area – tipped to contain around a fifth of Britain’s remaining oil – showed it could flow 20,000 barrels of oil per day (bpd), more than the 9,800 barrels the company had initially expected.
Hurricane is targeting more than 200million barrels of oil from the Lancaster basement and shares in the firm, which listed on London’s Alternative Investment Market (AIM) in February, shot up in response to the news.
Technical info at link.
It's very noticeable that the Bitters only ever mention the North Sea reserves. They never talk about the reserves off Shetland, off the west coast, or under the Clyde itself.
The Clyde reserves are currently off-limits because of the WMDs that travel up and down it.
Independent oil and gas explorer Hurricane Energy has announced that its Lancaster well West of Shetland could flow twice as much oil as previously expected.
Appraisal work on the one kilometre horizontal well in the remote West of Shetland area – tipped to contain around a fifth of Britain’s remaining oil – showed it could flow 20,000 barrels of oil per day (bpd), more than the 9,800 barrels the company had initially expected.
Hurricane is targeting more than 200million barrels of oil from the Lancaster basement and shares in the firm, which listed on London’s Alternative Investment Market (AIM) in February, shot up in response to the news.
Technical info at link.
It's very noticeable that the Bitters only ever mention the North Sea reserves. They never talk about the reserves off Shetland, off the west coast, or under the Clyde itself.
The Clyde reserves are currently off-limits because of the WMDs that travel up and down it.
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Lamplighter wrote:Aw, diddums! Try this link. LLbb1 wrote:I iz bein discruminated against, I iz, my yuman rites have been offended! I want a yuman rites lawyer!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0
Cheers, LL, will watch over lunch.
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http://wingsoverscotland.com/two-lost-cousins/
Two full-page ads in today’s Scottish Sun from the two faces of the No campaign:
Vague, incoherent, half-hearted lies from an old dinosaur too bewildered to know where to lie down and die, and a demented racist holed up in a rural Post Office waiting for the men with the nets and the tranquilisers to arrive. “Better Together” in microcosm. This is what they think you’ll swallow, because this is what they think you are.
Lost cousins? Evil twins, more like.
Two full-page ads in today’s Scottish Sun from the two faces of the No campaign:
Vague, incoherent, half-hearted lies from an old dinosaur too bewildered to know where to lie down and die, and a demented racist holed up in a rural Post Office waiting for the men with the nets and the tranquilisers to arrive. “Better Together” in microcosm. This is what they think you’ll swallow, because this is what they think you are.
Lost cousins? Evil twins, more like.
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You know, there's a problem with the Independence is forever, not just Christmas, meme. That's usually applied to puppies, and who doesn't love a puppy?
The ad sounds like it was written by some deranged animal-shooting landowner, with all the ProudScotBut, guff, that doesn't know Queen Victoria is dead.
And Broon's effort looks more like a funeral notice. Maybe he's mourning the squalid end of his political career? He really should have stuck to trying to get the MoD to clean their radiation off the local beach. Though as the MoD haven't paid a great deal of attention to the ex-PM, why should anyone else?
The ad sounds like it was written by some deranged animal-shooting landowner, with all the ProudScotBut, guff, that doesn't know Queen Victoria is dead.
And Broon's effort looks more like a funeral notice. Maybe he's mourning the squalid end of his political career? He really should have stuck to trying to get the MoD to clean their radiation off the local beach. Though as the MoD haven't paid a great deal of attention to the ex-PM, why should anyone else?
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You will no longer have BBC? What a shame. You all need to rush out and ensure your favorite propaganda station isn't out of your reach.....
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Oh, we'll get it as part of our Sky package, Lily. The only thing I watch on it anyway is Dr Who, and I could happily wait to buy box sets of Who and stop paying the licence fee.
The love-in in Trafalgar Square appears to have driven even more waverers to YES, it was so awful.
Moans still coming from those who claim their granny was born in Auchtenshoogle in 19-teacake, and therefor are entitled to vote on the future of Scotchland. They all seem to think contemporary Scotland is like some sort of folksy Brigadoon, where we all sit round knitting and waiting for the Prince O'er the Seas to come back.
I actually cannot grasp their mindset. Why on earth would people that don't work or live in a country be entitled to vote on that nation's future on the grounds of supposed ethnic origins? It's worthy of nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa, not Scotland in the 21st century.
What the president of the United States does affects most of the world, but the rest of the world doesn't get to vote for him or her, do they? Bitters are strange people. They believe Westminster politicians, for starters.
The love-in in Trafalgar Square appears to have driven even more waverers to YES, it was so awful.
Moans still coming from those who claim their granny was born in Auchtenshoogle in 19-teacake, and therefor are entitled to vote on the future of Scotchland. They all seem to think contemporary Scotland is like some sort of folksy Brigadoon, where we all sit round knitting and waiting for the Prince O'er the Seas to come back.
I actually cannot grasp their mindset. Why on earth would people that don't work or live in a country be entitled to vote on that nation's future on the grounds of supposed ethnic origins? It's worthy of nazi Germany or apartheid South Africa, not Scotland in the 21st century.
What the president of the United States does affects most of the world, but the rest of the world doesn't get to vote for him or her, do they? Bitters are strange people. They believe Westminster politicians, for starters.
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Oh, those Westminster politicians...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-independence-vote-cameron-miliband-clegg-face-anger-over-taxpayers-cash-9735431.html
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg faced anger today after giving Scots a signed pledge that they will continue to get more money per head from taxpayers as well as new powers if they vote to stay in the UK.
The three leaders committed themselves to “the continuation of the Barnett allocation for resources”, which is the formula that gives Scottish people an average of around £1,400 per head more in spending.
The vow, emblazoned over the front page of the Scottish tabloid the Daily Record, sparked alarm at Westminster where MPs warned of an “unbalanced” or “unfair” package at the expense of taxpayers in England and Wales.
Mark Field, the MP for the Cities of London and Westminster, said: “My constituents will be aghast if the unbalanced devolution from 1979 is made even worse.”
Tory MP Peter Bone added: “I don’t see why people in the East Midlands should be worse off to the tune of thousands of pounds than the people of Scotland.”
More at link.
I think we can take that that's Jam Tomorrow off the menu.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-independence-vote-cameron-miliband-clegg-face-anger-over-taxpayers-cash-9735431.html
David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg faced anger today after giving Scots a signed pledge that they will continue to get more money per head from taxpayers as well as new powers if they vote to stay in the UK.
The three leaders committed themselves to “the continuation of the Barnett allocation for resources”, which is the formula that gives Scottish people an average of around £1,400 per head more in spending.
The vow, emblazoned over the front page of the Scottish tabloid the Daily Record, sparked alarm at Westminster where MPs warned of an “unbalanced” or “unfair” package at the expense of taxpayers in England and Wales.
Mark Field, the MP for the Cities of London and Westminster, said: “My constituents will be aghast if the unbalanced devolution from 1979 is made even worse.”
Tory MP Peter Bone added: “I don’t see why people in the East Midlands should be worse off to the tune of thousands of pounds than the people of Scotland.”
More at link.
I think we can take that that's Jam Tomorrow off the menu.
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I've just seen Ron Paul on RT, Lily, and I like him even more now. He's cheering us on, as smaller units of government work better, etc. It's such a pleasure when someone GETS IT.
The world would be a better place if he was President, not least because he respects and understands your constitution.
The world would be a better place if he was President, not least because he respects and understands your constitution.
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/big-guns-of-uk-state-fire-in-to-back-a-yes-vote.25314700
Big guns of UK state fire in to back a Yes vote
Former ambassador and naval commander say the Union has been negative for Scotland By Hannah Rodger
Sunday 14 September 2014
TWO senior figures in defence and foreign affairs have declared their support for Scottish independence, the Sunday Herald can reveal.
Former British ambassador Donald MacLaren and retired Lieutenant Commander Colin May, a senior Faslane Naval intelligence officer, both say the Union has had a negative impact on Scotland and are supporting the Yes campaign.
May was unable to voice his political views while in post as he was bound by Queen's regulations.
But after he retired on Friday, the 44-year-old criticised the UK Government and the MoD's decision to get rid of the Nimrod patrol fleet based in Moray, which monitored approaching vessels.
He added: "Unfortunately, the UK has not taken the northern dimension seriously in recent years.
"We are without any serious ocean-going conventional vessels based in Scotland and the MoD scrapped the entire maritime patrol aircraft fleet."
May also backed the Scottish Government's defence strategy and did not see any problem with Scotland's ability to have its own forces, saying a more stable military in Scotland would benefit rural communities dependent on defence.
He said: "I am proud to have served with the Royal Navy for 29 years and am convinced that independence offers the best future for Scottish maritime defence and security.
"As a northern European nation Scotland must fulfil its domestic and regional responsibilities and it is in the interests of Nato allies to welcome Scotland as a conventional partner.
"My years of Royal Navy service have taught me Faslane would be an excellent conventional naval base and home for Scottish Joint Forces HQ.
"The defence plans by the Scottish Government would deliver the necessary capability for Scotland and the ability to contribute to Nato operations. Scotland is in an excellent position to properly equip and maintain defence forces … I know many Royal Navy colleagues who would be delighted to serve in Scottish Defence Forces.
"More settled military service in Scotland will also be of huge benefit to defence dependent communities like those around Faslane and Coulport."
Former foreign policy adviser MacLaren, who was ambassador to Georgia, worked in the Foreign office for 30 years from 1978 to 2009.
He now advises businesses on foreign policy, particularly on eastern Europe and Russia.
His support comes just weeks after the last UK ambassador to Nato, Dame Mariot Leslie, said she would be voting Yes on September 18, and claimed Scotland would be welcome in Nato even without Trident.
The former head of the UK defence industry association, Ian Godden also declared his support for independence last week, saying it would invigorate the rest of the UK.
"Today's reality is that, with the Union, we continue to float downwards," said MacLaren. "History moves on. Scotland, at least, is willing and able to make it."
He condemned the UK's lack of leadership for losing "instinct and determination to make policy and to influence" and said an independent Scotland could offer a more creative solution.
"When asked for clarity on so many issues, the ministerial mantra is: 'We are consulting closely with our partners,'" he explained.
"Clinging desperately to our seat at the 'top table' has become a mask for indecisiveness and lack of leadership.
"But could an independent Scotland really have a serious foreign policy and adequate representation abroad?
"I tell you, there are plenty of Scots and non-Scots in the Foreign Office and in every other branch of government who are ready to swap shaughly Union decision-making for the creativeness and vigour of real responsibility within a Scotland making its new way in the world."
MacLaren also accused the Labour, Liberal and Conservative parties of wanting to "obstruct Scotland having a common currency so as to shore up their own predictions of Scottish failure".
He added: "The Scots have overcome greater hurdles in their history than what three lacklustre, naysaying political leaders can throw up against them. Many at Westminster will be surprised at our ability to rule our own affairs better than they have.
"For the rest of the world, respectful and admiring of Scotland's resourcefulness and resilience, it will be no surprise. They will see us succeed."
Big guns of UK state fire in to back a Yes vote
Former ambassador and naval commander say the Union has been negative for Scotland By Hannah Rodger
Sunday 14 September 2014
TWO senior figures in defence and foreign affairs have declared their support for Scottish independence, the Sunday Herald can reveal.
Former British ambassador Donald MacLaren and retired Lieutenant Commander Colin May, a senior Faslane Naval intelligence officer, both say the Union has had a negative impact on Scotland and are supporting the Yes campaign.
May was unable to voice his political views while in post as he was bound by Queen's regulations.
But after he retired on Friday, the 44-year-old criticised the UK Government and the MoD's decision to get rid of the Nimrod patrol fleet based in Moray, which monitored approaching vessels.
He added: "Unfortunately, the UK has not taken the northern dimension seriously in recent years.
"We are without any serious ocean-going conventional vessels based in Scotland and the MoD scrapped the entire maritime patrol aircraft fleet."
May also backed the Scottish Government's defence strategy and did not see any problem with Scotland's ability to have its own forces, saying a more stable military in Scotland would benefit rural communities dependent on defence.
He said: "I am proud to have served with the Royal Navy for 29 years and am convinced that independence offers the best future for Scottish maritime defence and security.
"As a northern European nation Scotland must fulfil its domestic and regional responsibilities and it is in the interests of Nato allies to welcome Scotland as a conventional partner.
"My years of Royal Navy service have taught me Faslane would be an excellent conventional naval base and home for Scottish Joint Forces HQ.
"The defence plans by the Scottish Government would deliver the necessary capability for Scotland and the ability to contribute to Nato operations. Scotland is in an excellent position to properly equip and maintain defence forces … I know many Royal Navy colleagues who would be delighted to serve in Scottish Defence Forces.
"More settled military service in Scotland will also be of huge benefit to defence dependent communities like those around Faslane and Coulport."
Former foreign policy adviser MacLaren, who was ambassador to Georgia, worked in the Foreign office for 30 years from 1978 to 2009.
He now advises businesses on foreign policy, particularly on eastern Europe and Russia.
His support comes just weeks after the last UK ambassador to Nato, Dame Mariot Leslie, said she would be voting Yes on September 18, and claimed Scotland would be welcome in Nato even without Trident.
The former head of the UK defence industry association, Ian Godden also declared his support for independence last week, saying it would invigorate the rest of the UK.
"Today's reality is that, with the Union, we continue to float downwards," said MacLaren. "History moves on. Scotland, at least, is willing and able to make it."
He condemned the UK's lack of leadership for losing "instinct and determination to make policy and to influence" and said an independent Scotland could offer a more creative solution.
"When asked for clarity on so many issues, the ministerial mantra is: 'We are consulting closely with our partners,'" he explained.
"Clinging desperately to our seat at the 'top table' has become a mask for indecisiveness and lack of leadership.
"But could an independent Scotland really have a serious foreign policy and adequate representation abroad?
"I tell you, there are plenty of Scots and non-Scots in the Foreign Office and in every other branch of government who are ready to swap shaughly Union decision-making for the creativeness and vigour of real responsibility within a Scotland making its new way in the world."
MacLaren also accused the Labour, Liberal and Conservative parties of wanting to "obstruct Scotland having a common currency so as to shore up their own predictions of Scottish failure".
He added: "The Scots have overcome greater hurdles in their history than what three lacklustre, naysaying political leaders can throw up against them. Many at Westminster will be surprised at our ability to rule our own affairs better than they have.
"For the rest of the world, respectful and admiring of Scotland's resourcefulness and resilience, it will be no surprise. They will see us succeed."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11098825/David-Cameron-faces-Tory-bloodbath-over-unfair-cash-for-Scotland.html
David Cameron faces Tory 'bloodbath' over 'unfair' cash for Scotland
Tory backbenchers vow to block 'on the hoof' promise to sustain higher Scottish funding
David Cameron faces a “bloodbath” at the hands of Tory MPs after all three parties pledged to continue high levels of funding for Scotland if it rejects independence.
The Prime Minister is facing mounting dissent among English backbenchers after promising that Scotland’s special funding arrangements will continue even when the country is given control over its own taxation and spending.
One Tory MP said the promise to Scottish voters, issued by Mr Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg in the Daily Record newspaper, “smacks of desperation”.
Under the Barnett formula, devised in the 1970s by Labour Treasury minister Lord Barnett, spending is allocated according to population size, rather than the amount each country actually needs.
Critics say this gives Scotland an unfair share of government spending and even Lord Barnett has called for it to be replaced.
According to research at Stirling University, England loses around £4.5 billion of public spending every year because the money is handed to Scotland instead
Tory MPs are preparing to publicly savage David Cameron’s handling of the referendum in the event of a No vote, and will attempt to block the plans.
One female Tory MP said Mr Cameron’s promise, issued just two days before the polls open, was “desperate”.
“There will be a bloodbath. Last night as I was listening to Cameron saying we are going to be providing all these additional benefits to Scotland, when we are struggling in so many areas of the UK.
“It’s all happening on the hoof, in cliquey conversations on telephones in Downing Street. It isn’t happening, and there are a number of us who are incensed who will make sure it isn’t going to happen. But let’s see what the results are first.”
Mr Cameron’s campaign speech yesterday in which he reassured Scots that he would not be Prime Minister for ever has been met with scorn in some quarters.
“Cameron said ‘I won’t be here for ever.’ It just smacks of desperation to me – a man who is trying to get his wife to stay. It’s just desperate.”
Bernard Jenkin, the chairman of the Public Administration Select Committee and one of the Prime Minister’s most vocal backbench critics, today said the plans to grant Scotland fiscal autonomy would mean no Scottish MP could become Chancellor.
“We could never have a Scottish UK chancellor setting English taxes in England at the annual budget but not in his or her own constituency. So Parliament will have to consider how to establish an English executive, with an English first minister and finance minister,” he said in a letter to The Times.
Another senior Tory said it would be "easier if Scotland votes for independence" because it would resolve what role Scottish MPs should have in Parliament and Government.
“Whatever the outcome on the day, there are significant constitutional implications. If it’s a No vote, having seen the promise of Devo Max it’s absolutely essential that there is a new settlement for England," the Tory said.
A spokesman for Yes Scotland said: "It's clear that project panic is willing to say anything in the last few days of the campaign to try to halt the Yes momentum - anything except what new powers, if any, they might be willing to offer.
"The reality is that the only way to guarantee Scotland gets all the powers we need to create jobs and protect our NHS is with a Yes vote on Thursday - so that we can use our enormous wealth to create a better and fairer country."
Best thing Cameron could do is go on TV tonight, admit he's told a pack of lies and that there will be No Jam Tomorrow, and sort out the mess he's made in England and Wales.
And stop trying to cling to the past and dreams of empire, and let Scotland go her own way, show a bit of dignity.
David Cameron faces Tory 'bloodbath' over 'unfair' cash for Scotland
Tory backbenchers vow to block 'on the hoof' promise to sustain higher Scottish funding
David Cameron faces a “bloodbath” at the hands of Tory MPs after all three parties pledged to continue high levels of funding for Scotland if it rejects independence.
The Prime Minister is facing mounting dissent among English backbenchers after promising that Scotland’s special funding arrangements will continue even when the country is given control over its own taxation and spending.
One Tory MP said the promise to Scottish voters, issued by Mr Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg in the Daily Record newspaper, “smacks of desperation”.
Under the Barnett formula, devised in the 1970s by Labour Treasury minister Lord Barnett, spending is allocated according to population size, rather than the amount each country actually needs.
Critics say this gives Scotland an unfair share of government spending and even Lord Barnett has called for it to be replaced.
According to research at Stirling University, England loses around £4.5 billion of public spending every year because the money is handed to Scotland instead
Tory MPs are preparing to publicly savage David Cameron’s handling of the referendum in the event of a No vote, and will attempt to block the plans.
One female Tory MP said Mr Cameron’s promise, issued just two days before the polls open, was “desperate”.
“There will be a bloodbath. Last night as I was listening to Cameron saying we are going to be providing all these additional benefits to Scotland, when we are struggling in so many areas of the UK.
“It’s all happening on the hoof, in cliquey conversations on telephones in Downing Street. It isn’t happening, and there are a number of us who are incensed who will make sure it isn’t going to happen. But let’s see what the results are first.”
Mr Cameron’s campaign speech yesterday in which he reassured Scots that he would not be Prime Minister for ever has been met with scorn in some quarters.
“Cameron said ‘I won’t be here for ever.’ It just smacks of desperation to me – a man who is trying to get his wife to stay. It’s just desperate.”
Bernard Jenkin, the chairman of the Public Administration Select Committee and one of the Prime Minister’s most vocal backbench critics, today said the plans to grant Scotland fiscal autonomy would mean no Scottish MP could become Chancellor.
“We could never have a Scottish UK chancellor setting English taxes in England at the annual budget but not in his or her own constituency. So Parliament will have to consider how to establish an English executive, with an English first minister and finance minister,” he said in a letter to The Times.
Another senior Tory said it would be "easier if Scotland votes for independence" because it would resolve what role Scottish MPs should have in Parliament and Government.
“Whatever the outcome on the day, there are significant constitutional implications. If it’s a No vote, having seen the promise of Devo Max it’s absolutely essential that there is a new settlement for England," the Tory said.
A spokesman for Yes Scotland said: "It's clear that project panic is willing to say anything in the last few days of the campaign to try to halt the Yes momentum - anything except what new powers, if any, they might be willing to offer.
"The reality is that the only way to guarantee Scotland gets all the powers we need to create jobs and protect our NHS is with a Yes vote on Thursday - so that we can use our enormous wealth to create a better and fairer country."
Best thing Cameron could do is go on TV tonight, admit he's told a pack of lies and that there will be No Jam Tomorrow, and sort out the mess he's made in England and Wales.
And stop trying to cling to the past and dreams of empire, and let Scotland go her own way, show a bit of dignity.
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Another senior Tory said it would be "easier if Scotland votes for independence" because it would resolve what role Scottish MPs should have in Parliament and Government.
That would be NONE, which would suit everyone but the Scots Labour troughers just fine; they'll be heartbroken at losing their expense accounts, and making money renting their London flats to each other.
That would be NONE, which would suit everyone but the Scots Labour troughers just fine; they'll be heartbroken at losing their expense accounts, and making money renting their London flats to each other.
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How is public opinion going today, Bonny?
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Simple answer - I don't know, Lily. I know what I see at ground level, and it bears little resemblance to what 'opinion polls' are saying.
It is, however, interesting to note that the pollsters appear to be getting their excuses in early:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/icm-director-boon-admits-a-polling-waterloo-is-possible.25336542
ICM boss: a polling Waterloo is possible...we might have called it very wrong
Tuesday 16 September 2014
OPINION polls showing the Yes and No campaigns neck and neck could be wildly inaccurate, a leading pollster has admitted.
Martin Boon, director of polling company ICM, said the independence referendum could prove a "polling Waterloo" and become the industry's biggest embarrassment since 1992, when surveys predicted a narrow victory for Neil Kinnock in the days before his eventual defeat to John Major.
He told the BBC all the companies gauging public opinion in the run-up to Thursday's vote were hoping to "dodge a bullet".
The latest poll of polls, the average of the last six surveys, gives the No campaign a narrow 51 per cent to 49 per cent lead. It includes two polls which put Yes ahead.
Mr Boon's comments echo the private feelings of campaign insiders, who believe the vote could produce a much clearer margin of victory for either side than the polls suggest.
He told BBC Radio Four the unprecedented nature of the referendum and the reliance by most companies on relatively small online panels made the result difficult to predict.
He said: "We are dependent on a pot of people which is defined, but we don't know how big it is and in my view it won't be big enough. In that lies a real danger for the accuracy of the polls in advance of this referendum."
Asked if he would be surprised if the result did not reflect the poll findings, he said: "No. This referendum has the potential to be a polling Waterloo, the biggest since 1992 when the polls got it wrong.
"I can't say I'd be surprised. I very much hope that polling companies do the market research industry justice by getting it at least in the right area. I think and hope the best that we in the industry can hope for is that we dodge a bullet, but it's entirely possible the bullets do start spraying our way."
They have 'previous' for this in Scotland - they didn't see the landslide to the SNP in 2011 coming, either.
I don't know who they're polling, or where. It certainly doesn't seem to be the big population centres, where most people do NOT have landlines.
Time will, as ever, tell, though I'm not sure if my nerves will stand it......
It is, however, interesting to note that the pollsters appear to be getting their excuses in early:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/icm-director-boon-admits-a-polling-waterloo-is-possible.25336542
ICM boss: a polling Waterloo is possible...we might have called it very wrong
Tuesday 16 September 2014
OPINION polls showing the Yes and No campaigns neck and neck could be wildly inaccurate, a leading pollster has admitted.
Martin Boon, director of polling company ICM, said the independence referendum could prove a "polling Waterloo" and become the industry's biggest embarrassment since 1992, when surveys predicted a narrow victory for Neil Kinnock in the days before his eventual defeat to John Major.
He told the BBC all the companies gauging public opinion in the run-up to Thursday's vote were hoping to "dodge a bullet".
The latest poll of polls, the average of the last six surveys, gives the No campaign a narrow 51 per cent to 49 per cent lead. It includes two polls which put Yes ahead.
Mr Boon's comments echo the private feelings of campaign insiders, who believe the vote could produce a much clearer margin of victory for either side than the polls suggest.
He told BBC Radio Four the unprecedented nature of the referendum and the reliance by most companies on relatively small online panels made the result difficult to predict.
He said: "We are dependent on a pot of people which is defined, but we don't know how big it is and in my view it won't be big enough. In that lies a real danger for the accuracy of the polls in advance of this referendum."
Asked if he would be surprised if the result did not reflect the poll findings, he said: "No. This referendum has the potential to be a polling Waterloo, the biggest since 1992 when the polls got it wrong.
"I can't say I'd be surprised. I very much hope that polling companies do the market research industry justice by getting it at least in the right area. I think and hope the best that we in the industry can hope for is that we dodge a bullet, but it's entirely possible the bullets do start spraying our way."
They have 'previous' for this in Scotland - they didn't see the landslide to the SNP in 2011 coming, either.
I don't know who they're polling, or where. It certainly doesn't seem to be the big population centres, where most people do NOT have landlines.
Time will, as ever, tell, though I'm not sure if my nerves will stand it......
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