Malaysia Airlines plane vanishes over Vietnam

Quite, Bonny. How did the transponders get turned off if not manually?

Curiouser and curiouser....

Before signing off for the night I saw this article and wanted to post it so I didn't lose it.


Investigators also are looking at the possibility that a shipment of lithium batteries in the cargo hold may have caught fire and felled the aircraft. A senior American official who had been briefed on the contents listed on the plane’s cargo manifest said a “significant load” of lithium batteries had been aboard — raising suspicions because of previous cargo-plane crashes attributed to lithium battery shipments, which can overheat and cause intense fires. But that possibility is inconsistent with information that the plane may have kept flying for hours after it vanished.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?action=click&contentCollection=Asia%20Pacific&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article

That is what happened to a UPS cargo plane leaving Dubai in 2010.

Another one for the riddle.....

Yes, thanks for the link, Bonny. Interesting.
And interesting to see some of them bickering and getting deleted. No wonder The Nasties think Kate McCann personally high jacked the plain. I am beginning to wonder about that myself.

I watched the Malaysian PM's press confersence earlier this morning and they have changed the search areas. Also he said it would appear to be a deliberate act as the transponders etc were cut off.
http://time.com/25999/missing-jet-highjacked-say-officials/

Just seen that, LL - update here:

http://news.sky.com/story/1226362/deliberate-action-diverted-missing-plane

Deliberate Action' Diverted Missing Plane
The pilot's house is reportedly searched as Malaysia's PM says communications on the flight were almost certainly disabled.

As I doubt if whoever hijacked it went to all that trouble just to ditch it, unseen, in the Indian Ocean, then I would reckon it's headed northwest, where it could have landed on some long-forgetten airstrip.

My heart breaks for the passengers, and their relatives - this must be like a bad dream.

It's been done before - remember Entebbe and the hijacked pjane that arrived in Entebbe and was greeted with applause by Idi Amin. LL

Lord, yes, LL, I'd forgotten all about that one. That plane had been tracked, hadn't it? Maybe the Icke lot who said the Ukrainian gold reserves were on the plane weren't so wide of the mark, and it was the cargo that was the target?

And it's just a wierd coincidence so many of the passengers worked in stealth technology...

The disabling of the Boeing 777's transponder and messaging system occurred around 12 minutes apart. Such a gap would be unlikely in the case of an in-flight catastrophe and gave authorities the clearest indication to date someone on-board was behind it.

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That's it flying for five hours; there now seems be a suggestion it was still in the air two hours later, so it could be anywhere.

And I doubt very much if someone went to all this trouble to ditch it halfway to Antartica.

A rather bizarre story from Sources in the Kremlin:

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/

The bare bones - that the plane was taken over for unknown reasons by US agents and flown to Diego Garcia - is at least in the realms of the physically possible.

It's the rest of it, the Why? that's off in conspiraloon territory. Mind you, the whole thing is a conspiracy theorist's dream come true, so who knows?

Besides these supposed passengers who were into stealth science, I wonder who else was on the plane? In the Entebbe hijack it was the Israeli passengers who were the target. LL

LL, I don't think we are ever going to know the truth about this. I just hope the passengers are alive and safe somewhere, and at some point are going to be released, albeit very confused.

And anyone who doesn't think an airliner could fly over so much land mass undetected should remember this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust

At the height of the Cold War, a German teenager managed to fly across Russian airspace and land his private plane in Red Square.

It shouldn't be assumed that humans monitoring radar, etc., are always alert and aware of what they're doing.

http://news.sky.com/story/1226425/plane-search-switches-to-two-air-corridors

With up to eight hours' fuel on board, the plane could have reached Khazakstan easily. Has it been hijacked for MONEY, not politics? Because of something in the cargo?

What I find a tad worrying is how close they could have gone to north Pakistan and possibly Afghanistan, both havens for terrorists and radical militants. In the case of Matthias Rust, his was a small plane which would be quite easy to fly low enough to evade survelliance, but a Boeing is a bl**dy big aircraft. As you say, we can only sit and wait. LL

It was on a semi-westerly course, in the hours of darkness - maybe it was seen on radar when some military ATC was napping, or in the loo? Or thought, No, can't be a plane here, must be a flock of birds.

Never discount human stupidity.

Actually, Occam's Razor suggests that it was taken over for some unknown reason by US agents and flown to Deigo Garcia....

I have a feeling, though, that the cause of the hijack could have been financial, not political, which is good, if so.

I suspect this one is going to become one of history's Great Mysteries, unfortunately. If something bizarre has happened and a cover story spun involving a Malaysian Airways tailfin being pulled out of the Southern Ocean, no-one is going to believe it.

Okay. Perhaps they just wanted the Stealth Experts. It's pretty ground braking stuff these days. And scientists have been known to be kidnapped.

I am not going to speculate about the rest of the passengers. They could be found one of these days, fending for themselves. This has been known before.
Meanwhile, The Stealth Experts just disappear. And no one knows nuffink.

I suppose Plane Vanishes While Carrying Experts On Making Planes Vanish is a bit of a coincidence....

It certainly is a coincidence, I mean who would ever believe it?

IF - big IF - it landed safely, then there is a rational explanation for the business with passenger cellphones. And there are abandoned airstrips all over the region it vanished into, if it went north west.

I actually hope this was plain, ordinary crime on a massive scale for some so-far unknown reason, it means there is more chance of the passengers being alive.

I don't see it being a suicidal pilot, there was no need to change course, etc, just to point the nose down.

Or terrorism, considering two of the biggest targets on the globe were near at hand:

Well, the plane and its passengers would all be of great value to the madman, so morally, I have no doubt that they are capable of doing it.

Physically capable? Don't know. Though if it did land, it could refuel and be anywhere now.

Reading round, I see some are still talking about some kind of accident. But that would mean that it would have had to have been hi-jacked presumably by its own crew AND have had a catastrophic accident.

That's stretching it a bit. Even Diego Garcia and North Korea are more plausible.

Lamplighter wrote:http://www.eturbonews.com/43640/malaysia-airlines-b777-hijacked-north-korea

Now this I could believe. We all know he is raving barking. But if it is him then something awful is going to happen.

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Lamplighter wrote:http://www.eturbonews.com/43640/malaysia-airlines-b777-hijacked-north-korea

Now this I could believe.  We all know he is raving barking.  But if it is him then something awful is going to happen.

Distance from Kuala Lumpur, Federal Territory of Kuala Lumpur to Pyongyang, N Korea - 2,903 miles

What are the odds on a pilot safely landing a powerless 737 on a muddy levee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110

TACA Flight 110 was an international scheduled airline flight operated by TACA Airlines, traveling from Belize to New Orleans. On May 24, 1988, the flight lost power in both engines but its pilots made a successful deadstick landing on a grass levee, with no one aboard sustaining more than minor injuries. The captain of the flight, Carlos Dardano of El Salvador, had only one eye due to crossfire on a small flight to El Salvador, which was undergoing a civil war at the time.[1]

Have been trying to post an article but I was not allowed apparently.

I have found some of the information in this article which I can.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-questions/


.........Malaysia's aviation authorities -- with concurrence from U.S. and British government experts -- concluded that the plane's last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors -- "a northern corridor stretching from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand or southern corridor from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean," Prime Minister Najib Razak told reporters Saturday.

And a classified analysis of electronic and satellite data suggests Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 likely crashed either in the Bay of Bengal or elsewhere in the Indian Ocean, CNN learned Friday.

The analysis, conducted by the United States and Malaysian governments, used radar data and satellite pings to calculate that the plane diverted to the west, across the Malayan peninsula, and then either flew in a northwest direction toward the Bay of Bengal or southwest into another part of the Indian Ocean..........