Malaysia Airlines plane vanishes over Vietnam

We all know that monitors are not difficult to fit, and they wouldn't be much use if they didn't work while the plane was in flight. So keep on hoping, as the families will undoubtedly do. Nothing wrong with hope.

Sabot, I just hope it didn't crash with survivors who needed medical aid to stay alive.

I am now finding it incomprehensible. It's not like the Air France Atlantic crash, it's as if a Jumbo vanished between the UK and Scandinavia. But it can't 'vanish', it's enormous.

Actually, this is silly, or would be if it wasn't so serious and tragic.

NSA, GCHQ, satellites, etc., can track and eavesdrop on the most minute details of their targets' lives, from their whereabouts, to their emails and sex lives.

But somehow or other, a giant airliner, bristling with transponders and tracking devices, carrying hundreds of passengers all of whom have mobiles, has vanished in a comparatively small, busy area of Planet Earth.

Something isn't making sense here.

bb1 wrote:Sabot, I just hope it didn't crash with survivors who needed medical aid to stay alive.

I am now finding it incomprehensible. It's not like the Air France Atlantic crash, it's as if a Jumbo vanished between the UK and Scandinavia. But it can't 'vanish', it's enormous.

This is so difficult, Bonny. There are vast areas of land and sea that are almost impossible to search quickly. But how anyone can place absolute faith in a massive, great lump of metal is incomprehensible to me. Perhaps I know too much about it, and have seen too many crashes due to error of some sort. These machines are so complex, and ever were.
Vast checks are in place, and the names of everyone who does these checks are on maintenance records. But even I with my knowledge of the importance did once fail, and I knew that I had done so after the event. As it happened it was not my fault. But I will never forget that one for so long as I live.
Shit, if I couldn't even trust me, then who could I trust?

But it isn't - or shouldn't be - in a vast area of land and sea, Sabot. It went missing over one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, where the water is comparatively shallow - only about 80m.

bb1 wrote:But it isn't - or shouldn't be - in a vast area of land and sea, Sabot. It went missing over one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, where the water is comparatively shallow - only about 80m.

Then it has likely gone somewhere else.

That's the obvious explanation, except for the fact that the vast array of tracking devices onboard don't seem to show it going anywhere else...

But No Black Box. This box is supposed to be fool proof.

However, I am not getting into conspiracy theories. An Aeroplane that size won't have vanished forever. Not even The CIA can do that. Can they?

Well, yes, they can, actually, cloaking technology does exist. And electro-magnetic pulses fry every circuit for miles around, but I think we can discount that one as no nuclear warheads have been reported going off in the area.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/170563-north-korea-emp

I am sure there is a simple explanation for the plane's disappearance, I just wish someone would work out what it is.

It must be absolute hell for the passengers' families, as the longer this goes on, the more wild rumours are taking hold and false hopes being built up.

bb1 wrote:Well, yes, they can, actually, cloaking technology does exist. And electro-magnetic pulses fry every circuit for miles around, but I think we can discount that one as no nuclear warheads have been reported going off in the area.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/170563-north-korea-emp

I am sure there is a simple explanation for the plane's disappearance, I just wish someone would work out what it is.

It must be absolute hell for the passengers' families, as the longer this goes on, the more wild rumours are taking hold and false hopes being built up.

      

Sorry about that. It isn't very funny. And anyway, there isn't any reason that I can see for The CIA doing this. Unless they have kidnapped the experts who were supposedly on board. Not sure what their expertise is. Could it be terminal in the case of World Peace?
Get busy digging a Bunker. Although I somewhat doubt that Lann Georges will be a target. That's the thing about Lann Georges, it is so effing boring that no one even knows it exists.

Translation. Lande of Saint George. But no dragons here, unless you want to include me.

My friends, this was taken from Sky News:

http://news.sky.com/story/1225034/malaysia-nothing-to-hide-over-plane-search

http://news.sky.com/story/1224215/malaysia-airlines-investigates-missing-co-pilot

http://news.sky.com/story/1225372/missing-malaysia-jet-one-of-great-mysteries

http://news.sky.com/story/1225372/missing-malaysia-jet-one-of-great-mysteries

That report is sensible, for once, Pedro.

Interesting graphic from the Mirror:

Sabot wrote:

bb1 wrote:Well, yes, they can, actually, cloaking technology does exist. And electro-magnetic pulses fry every circuit for miles around, but I think we can discount that one as no nuclear warheads have been reported going off in the area.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/170563-north-korea-emp

I am sure there is a simple explanation for the plane's disappearance, I just wish someone would work out what it is.

It must be absolute hell for the passengers' families, as the longer this goes on, the more wild rumours are taking hold and false hopes being built up.

      

Sorry about that.  It isn't very funny.  And anyway, there isn't any reason that I can see for The CIA doing this.  Unless they have kidnapped the experts who were supposedly on board.  Not sure what their expertise is.  Could it be terminal in the case of World Peace?
Get busy digging a Bunker.  Although I somewhat doubt that Lann Georges will be a target.  That's the thing about Lann Georges, it is so effing boring that no one even knows it exists.

Translation.  Lande of Saint George.  But no dragons here, unless you want to include me.

Believe it or not, Sabot, but it is this invisibility thing. 20 world experts apparently. Could be a big conspiracy theory going somewhere soon......

lily wrote:

Sabot wrote:

bb1 wrote:Well, yes, they can, actually, cloaking technology does exist. And electro-magnetic pulses fry every circuit for miles around, but I think we can discount that one as no nuclear warheads have been reported going off in the area.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/170563-north-korea-emp

I am sure there is a simple explanation for the plane's disappearance, I just wish someone would work out what it is.

It must be absolute hell for the passengers' families, as the longer this goes on, the more wild rumours are taking hold and false hopes being built up.

      

Sorry about that.  It isn't very funny.  And anyway, there isn't any reason that I can see for The CIA doing this.  Unless they have kidnapped the experts who were supposedly on board.  Not sure what their expertise is.  Could it be terminal in the case of World Peace?
Get busy digging a Bunker.  Although I somewhat doubt that Lann Georges will be a target.  That's the thing about Lann Georges, it is so effing boring that no one even knows it exists.

Translation.  Lande of Saint George.  But no dragons here, unless you want to include me.

Believe it or not, Sabot, but it is this invisibility thing.  20 world experts apparently.  Could be a big conspiracy theory going somewhere soon......

What? These were experts on cloaking? Effing hell. Dig the bunker. No, really.

More on this story:

http://news.sky.com/story/1225535/malaysia-flight-no-technical-data-was-sent


The White House has announced that a new search area may be opened in the Indian Ocean.

"It's my understanding that based on some new information that's not necessarily conclusive - but new information - an additional search area may be opened in the Indian Ocean," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

"And we are consulting with international partners about the appropriate assets to deploy."

I cannot even begin to guess what it could be doing in the Indian Ocean.

bb1 wrote:More on this story:

http://news.sky.com/story/1225535/malaysia-flight-no-technical-data-was-sent


The White House has announced that  a new search area may be opened in the Indian Ocean.

"It's my understanding that based on some new information that's not necessarily conclusive - but new information - an additional search area may be opened in the Indian Ocean," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

"And we are consulting with international partners about the appropriate assets to deploy."

I cannot even begin to guess what it could be doing in the Indian Ocean.

Or what America can have to do with this. ORLY.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories

U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -4.08% Flight 370 stayed in the air for up to four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.

The investigators believe the plane flew for a total of up to five hours, according to these people, based on analysis of signals sent by the Boeing BA -1.99% 777's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of certain onboard systems to the ground.

and same story:

U.S. counterterrorism officials are pursuing the possibility that a pilot or someone else on board the plane may have diverted it toward an undisclosed location after intentionally turning off the jetliner's transponders to avoid radar detection, according to one person tracking the probe.

The investigation remains fluid, and it isn't clear whether investigators have evidence indicating possible terrorism or sabotage. So far, U.S. national security officials have said that nothing specifically points toward terrorism, though they haven't ruled it out.

But the huge uncertainty about where the plane was headed, and why it apparently continued flying so long without working transponders, has raised theories among investigators that the aircraft may have been commandeered for a reason that appears unclear to U.S. authorities. Some of those theories have been laid out to national security officials and senior personnel from various U.S. agencies, according to one person familiar with the matter.

At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

As of Wednesday it remained unclear whether the plane reached an alternate destination or if it ultimately crashed, potentially hundreds of miles from where an international search effort has been focused.

In those scenarios, neither mechanical problems, pilot mistakes nor some other type of catastrophic incident caused the 250-ton plane to mysteriously vanish from radar.


All of which begs the question - Has it landed somewhere?

Who would have believed the Twin Towers catastrophe before it happened?

I cannot imagine how the passengers' families are feeling right now, Sabot.

I actually hope it does turn out to have been a tragic, but avoidable, crash caused by human stupidity, and over quickly. The implications of the alternatives are terrifying.

Yes, probably best not to go there, Bonny. But I have to say that The Indian Ocean is a bit beyond my comprehension.

Myths have this map on their thread:



ETA, I don't think it really matters that the airline wasn't paying for the feed from the engines to RR.

As NSA listens in to absolutely EVERYTHING, they will have picked up the signals.

If they have picked up everything, it could present a problem if it is from somewhere er....secret?

Yes, that may be why it's taken so long to release this information?

http://news.sky.com/story/1225535/malaysia-flight-no-technical-data-was-sent

Communications satellites picked up a faint 'electronic ping' from the missing Malaysian aircraft after contact was lost according to a source close to the investigation.

The signal was an indication the aircraft's troubleshooting systems were ready to communicate with satellites if required, but no data was sent because Malaysia Airlines had not subscribed to the full troubleshooting service, the source said.

International airlines use a reporting system which collects technical data during each flight so that engineers can identify problems. These reports are broadcast to engineers via VHF radio or satellite during the flight

If its engines were pinging signals after the transponders had been switched off then.....something unheard-of has happened?