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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:49 am

Mr Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla were seen in public at the weekend when they attended a White House state dinner for Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Bless! Notice Zuckerberg isn't offering to house and support a few thousand of them, and maybe save a few native Germans from being evicted?

He's just making an empty gesture - which will make him more money - like a good limousine liberal. So easy to virtue signal when it isn't going to cause you the slightest bit of incovenience!
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http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/fluechtlinge-christen-und-muslime-getrennt-unterbringen-a-1054931.html

Refugee homes in Germany: politicians want to Christians and Muslims accommodate separately

Are Christians being harassed in German refugee camps of conservative Muslims? Politicians and organizations assert that - and demand a separate accommodation.

Leading Union politicians are advocating for a separate accommodation of Christian and Muslim refugees. This is due to reports of increased attacks on Christians in German refugee camps. Former German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich (CSU) told the "Welt am Sonntag": It was "sad that an accommodation of refugees is obviously necessary, separated by regions of origin".

Friedrich, who is now deputy chairman of the CDU parliamentary group in the Bundestag, said: "We must make it clear from the outset that we enforce the rules of our liberal rule of law everywhere and consistently." He urged the Muslim associations on, "the respect for our legal system and culture of the coming to us Muslims demand. We must not be defensive". The chairman of the CDU parliamentary group, Volker Kauder (CDU), said: "The Muslim associations should clearly distance of attacks on Christians."
The leader of the Greens, Cem Özdemir, also called for in the "Welt am Sonntag" better protection of Christians, Yazidis and other religious minorities in refugee centers. "Islam is part of Germany, on the other hand Islamism clearly not," he said. Tolerance should not be misconstrued as weakness and exploited.

A similar argument is also Ali Ertan Toprak, chairman of the Kurdish communities in Germany. It is unacceptable that asylum seekers "other minorities discriminate against and attack," he says. "Such people have forfeited their right to asylum in Germany. People who have fled oppression must not fear for their lives in Germany."

Outbreak of violence in Suhl

In recent months there have been repeated reports of conflicts between refugees of different religious affiliations. In Suhl late August escalated a dispute with alleged religious background in a refugee camp so much that there were 17 injured, including six police officers.

Concrete figures on how often it comes to similar conflicts, but there is no. This is partly because the religion of refugees is not usually recognized. Without adequate language skills the staff the causes of quarrels may in homes often do not recognize. Therefore Özdemir calls for an awareness of all full-time and volunteers in the refugee camps "for signs of religious and political repression - no matter where it comes from."
The only state that currently trying refugees accommodate separately by origin, Thuringia. The Prime Minister has Bodo Ramelow decided (left) after the outbreak of violence in Suhl. "We pay attention to a conflict-sensitive housing and try to distribute on different floors or own accommodations people from different countries," said Thuringia Justice and Migration Minister Dieter Lauinger (Green). "This is only restricted in the current crisis situation possible, we want to expand but once the influx expires ordered again."

A separation according to religion, he considers it wrong. Especially intense religious Muslims must learn to live with other religions.


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As opposed to  what they usually do - decapitating them, crucifying them, selling their children as sex slaves? Not going to happen.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:10 pm

So, are they now seeing first hand the truth about it all?  If the muslims can't integrate in the camps, how can they be expected to integrate afterwards?

Many don't really want to.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:27 pm

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/26/brigitte-gabriel-europe-is-eurabia-right-now/

BRIGITTE GABRIEL: ‘EUROPE IS EURABIA RIGHT NOW’

That's a good piece, by a Lebanese Christian. I would love to know why European supposed leaders are so worried about pandering to moslems, and ignore the plight of Christians and other minority faiths.

Good job Assad protects minorities, isn't it? Can you imagine the bloodbath if the West got its way in Syria?
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:25 pm

http://news.sky.com/story/1559755/two-teenagers-arrested-over-mosque-fire

Two teenagers have been arrested on suspicion of arson after a large fire broke out in buildings belonging to Britain's largest mosque.

Onlookers watched as dozens of firefighters tackled the blaze at the Baitul Futuh mosque complex in Morden, south London at around noon on Saturday.

Two boys aged 14 and 16 have been arrested on suspicion of arson and remain in custody at a south London police station, Scotland Yard said.


Sounds like yobbish idiocy, rather than 'islamophobia' or quarrelling Islamic sects.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:35 pm

Bonny, there are days when a person throws their hands up in the air......
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:36 pm

But word about the profits to be made off migration has also reached the upper echelons of the world's financial industry. When European Homecare relinquished a contract to run the Traiskirchen refugee shelter in Austria three years ago, it was succeeded by ORS, a Swiss company. Its turnover in Switzerland, Austria and Germany amounted to almost $100 million last year, before the latest increase in migrants.

ORS is part-owned by Equistone Partners Europe, a London-based fund manager. Equistone, in turn, counts among its investors Barclays Bank, as well as sovereign wealth funds, pension funds and insurance companies mainly based in Europe, North America, the Gulf and Asia.


I wish I could say I am surprised by any of that piece, LL. Sadly, I'm not.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:52 pm

Where there is money to be made, out they come.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:58 pm

I really missed out on this, didn't I?   Should have sunk cash, a lot, in buying some old crappy old buildings and let them out 15 to a room instead of purchasing good quality ones and making sure they were up to the standard I expect for myself.   Could have been even richer than I am!    LL


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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:02 pm

Your neighbours would never speak to you again, though, LL.......
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:07 pm

bb1 wrote:Your neighbours would never speak to you again, though, LL.......
Quite, dear lady. But then I am not a money-grubbing a*sehole. LL
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Post  lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:13 pm

Good for you LL.  hug hug
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:03 pm

http://www.thelocal.de/20150927/german-far-right-mobilising-against-migrants

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Germany's domestic intelligence chief warned Sunday of a radicalisation of right-wing groups amid a record influx of migrants, as xenophobic rallies and clashes shook several towns at the weekend.

"What we're seeing in connection with the refugee crisis is a mobilisation on the street of right-wing extremists, but also of some left-wing extremists who oppose them," said Hans-Georg Maassen on Deutschlandfunk public radio.

He added that for the past few years his service had witnessed a "radicalisation" and "a greater willingness to use violence" by all extremist groups, including the far right, the anti-fascist far left and Islamists.

Maassen spoke as Germany expects up to one million migrants this year, and after protests against refugee homes and clashes with police again rocked several towns at the weekend, mostly in the former communist East Germany.

Police and soldiers guarded two buses carrying about 100 migrants Saturday night to a shelter in the town of Niederau, in the eastern Saxony state, after right-wing protesters had rallied at the site, a former supermarket, since Friday.

More than 1,000 people also demonstrated against refugees in several towns in the eastern state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania Friday, including in coastal Stralsund where three people were wounded in clashes with counter-protesters.

In the eastern city of Leipzig, the right-wing rally "Offensive for Germany", organised by a local anti-Islam activist with about 400 marchers, sparked a larger left-wing counter-protest that police said drew more than 1,000 activists.

n the ensuing street clashes, the rival groups hurled rocks and fireworks at each other.

In the western city of Bremen unknown persons attempted to set fire to a tent set to house refugees from October.

This year alone has seen 22 arson attacks against would-be or existing refugee shelters, said Maassen, whose service is called the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:11 pm

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146919471/Islamisten-bedrohen-Christen-in-Fluechtlingsheimen.html

Story about islamists threatening Christian refugees with death - I can't get the translation to copy, unfortunately.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:27 pm

I saw this link on one of yours, LL:

http://www.thelocal.at/20150927/regional-elections-see-seismic-shift-to-blue

The populist right-wing Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ -- Blue) made stunning gains in regional elections on Sunday on the back of fears over the migrant crisis.

The FPÖ gained 31.4 percent of the vote in the state of Upper Austria, the country's industrial heartland, according to results after 16 percent of the ballots were counted.


And this story:

http://www.thelocal.at/20150917/austria-sends-refugees-to-slovakia

Just 18 of an agreed 500 Syrian asylum-seekers arrived in Slovakia on Thursday under a deal with EU neighbour Austria that has sparked protest in the village where they will stay temporarily.

Depending on whether their asylum requests are recognised, the Syrians will either be ultimately returned to Austria or deported from the EU, Slovak interior ministry spokeswoman Michaela Paulenova told AFP.

The 18 men were transferred by bus from Austria's Salzburg to a temporary asylum camp in Gabcikovo, a southwestern Slovak village of 5,400 people.

Five hundred asylum-seekers are to be temporarily accommodated in Gabcikovo under the agreement with Vienna.

"This number will be reached in the following two years. We have no information on how many asylum-seekers and when they will arrive. It's up to the Austrian interior ministry," Paulenova said.

Gabickovo held a referendum last month in which 97 percent of voters rejected the temporary asylum camp, but the interior ministry "is not obliged to act according to its results", Paulenova said.

Getting off the bus on Thursday, one asylum-seeker thanked "all the good people" for the possibility of staying in Slovakia, local media reported.

But villager reaction on social media was cold.

"Who wants them here anyway? I know I don't," Gabcikovo resident Beata Lelkes wrote on Facebook.

"Many homeless here would appreciate accommodation like they (migrants) are getting," resident Zsuzsanna Varga added.



These politicians totally ignoring what the public are saying are, IMO, playing a very dangerous game.
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Post  lily Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:32 pm

Yes indeed.  They are the ones who have to pay for this 'privilege' anyway.
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Post  bb1 Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:01 pm

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/09/27/greek-minister-we-are-not-going-to-turn-greece-into-a-refugee-concentration-camp/

Greece ‘s response to the refugee crisis will partly depend on Europe making progress with plans for the relocation of refugees, Alternate Minister for Migration Yiannis Mouzalas said in an interview with the newspaper “Avghi” on Sunday.

We are not going to turn our country into a concentration camp for refugees,” he said, noting that the ministry intends to build hospitality facilities “to the extent that Europe proceeds with the relocation of 160,000 refugees.”


You will if Frau Merkel tells you to, chum - shouldn't have handed your country over to her a few months back.
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Post  Max Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:31 am

bb1 wrote:http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article146919471/Islamisten-bedrohen-Christen-in-Fluechtlingsheimen.html

Story about islamists threatening Christian refugees with death - I can't get the translation to copy, unfortunately.


POLITICS

RELIGIOUS CONFLICT 09/27/15

Islamists threaten Christians in refugee camps

Christian refugees are in German asylum centers assaults exposed by fanatical Muslims who live under Sharia law. Fundamentalists even threatening them with murder.


Said from Iran sits under a picture of Jesus on the cross, about Persian characters. There are biblical quotations. John 8, verse 12: "I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness.."

Said is Kickboxer. He went across Turkey on foot. That his problems in Germany would only really begin, he would never have thought. "In Iran, the Revolutionary Guards have arrested my brother in a house church. I fled the Iranian intelligence, because I thought in Germany I can finally free live my religion," says Said. "But I can in my home for asylum seekers not openly admit that I am a Christian. Then I'll threatened."

Said lives in a home for asylum seekers in southern Brandenburg near the border with Saxony. It is one of the "jungle homes", without any connection to a bus line. There live mainly Syrian refugees - mostly devout Sunni Muslims. "You wake me before dawn during Ramadan and say I should eat before the sun comes up. If I refuse, they say, I'm a, kuffar ', an unbeliever. They spit at me," says Said. "They treat me like an animal. And threaten to kill me." Said says he has called the Security Service. Den could not interest his problems. "They are also all Muslims."

Besides Said the community room of the Evangelical Lutheran Church Trinity in Berlin-Steglitz sitting pastor Gottfried Martens, on her lap a stack of paper. It is his letter to the heads of various refugee camps, to the social security office, to the Berlin State Office for Health and Social Services, which distributes the refugees to temporary shelters. The writing are cries for help, in which Martens asks members to protect his community or to move to another home. "Sometimes, the home manager trying to help, sometimes I get no answer," says Martens.

Around 600 Afghans and Iranians belong to his church. Most of them he himself baptized. "Almost all have big problems in their homes," says Martens. "Devout Muslims teach there the view: Where we are, there is the Sharia, there is our law." In the kitchen, Christians can not prepare their own food. Those who do not pray five times a day toward Mecca, is being bullied. "Above all, Christians who have converted from Islam have to suffer as a minority," says Martens. "And they ask itself the question: What happens when the devout Muslim refugees to leave the home Must we hide ourselves as Christians in the future in this country?"

The fanatics sound like the IS-murderer

The story of Said is one of many in recent weeks. In Hemer Algerian asylum seekers attacked an Eritrean and his pregnant wife. Both wore their baptismal cross around his neck. One struck with a glass bottle on a Eritreans.

A young Syrians from a Erstaufnahmelager in Giessen reported threats. He is concerned that among the refugees followers of the terrorist group Islamic State of (IS) are. "They shout Quranic verses. These are words that shouts the IS before they cut off people's heads. I can not stay here. I am a Christian," he says. In Baden-Württemberg Ellwangen there were between Christians, Yazidis and Muslims a mass brawl during Ramadan.

Especially dramatic is the case of a Christian family from Iraq, which was housed in a refugee camp in the Bavarian Freising. The father told a TV crew of the Bayerischer Rundfunk of beatings and threats of a Syrian Islamists. "You have my wife yelled at and beaten my child They say.. We will kill you and drink your blood" The family lived in the rooms of the home as prisoner - until they no longer stand it and returned to Iraq to Mosul.

But in the meantime Islamist Mosul Christians can no longer live. The family was displaced a third time and has moved on with the two small children to Erbil in northern Iraq. "They are doing very poorly," says her lawyer Christian Salek from Munich. "I wanted them happy to help and have also written to the Home Office, but there was no way to bring them back to Germany." Anyone who has applied for asylum, and then leaves the country, has to sign that he asks for receiving a second time.

The underreporting of cases is high

"One would have to protect the family," says Simon Jacob by the Central Council of the Eastern Christians. Stories like this no longer surprise him. "I know a lot of reports of Christian refugees who are under attack. But that's just the tip of the iceberg," says Jacob. "The number of unreported cases is high. We must expect further conflicts that bring the refugees from their homeland to Germany. Between Christians and Muslims. Between Shiites and Sunnis. Between Kurds and extremists. Between Yazidis and extremists." Jacob argues that the refugees initially accommodate separated by religions. But this could not be a long term solution.

Jacob calls for the formulation of a German mission statement, in which the fundamental values ​​of democracy and a pluralistic society are anchored. Religious freedom. Freedom of speech. Equality between men and women. "We need a clear statement, as well as an orientation aid for refugees, and to help them to distinguish themselves against extremists," says Jacob.

"Of course, refugees bring their own experiences of conflict, for example between Shiites and Sunnis or Christians and Muslims," ​​said the renowned migration researchers and historians Klaus J. Bade. He calls for the forthcoming integration issues socio-political visions and future-oriented concepts. He also calls for a higher model, with the Germans, but also the refugees can identify - and must. "This is the price that each immigrant has to pay, who wants to live in Germany." Bath Calls Affiliate guidance that are tailored to the country of origin at the integration course.

Christians and Yazidis are most at risk

"Often the aggression goes Afghans or Pakistanis from, they are often more Islamist than many Syrians and Iraqis," says Max Klingberg by the International Society for Human Rights, for 15 years in the refugee care active. It assumes that the violence in the refugee centers will continue to increase. "We must rid ourselves of the illusion that all those who arrive here, human rights activists are. Among the new arrivals is now a not small amount in his religious intensity at least at the level of the Muslim Brotherhood."

The closer people lived together, the sooner would break forth political and religious conflicts. "Voluntary reports of aggression to Enthauptungsdrohungen Sunnis against Shiites from, but in the hardest hit Yazidis and Christians," says Klingberg. "With Christian converts who do not conceal their faith, is likely to become victims of abuse or harassment, against 100 percent."

The only state that currently trying refugees accommodate separately by origin, Thuringia. The decision precipitated Prime Minister Bodo Ramelow (Left) after the outbreak of violence in a refugee shelter in Suhl last month.

The implementation is difficult. "We pay attention to a conflict-sensitive housing and try to distribute on different floors or own accommodations people from different countries," says Thuringia Justice and Migration Minister Dieter Lauinger (Green). "This is only restricted in the current crisis situation possible, we want to expand but once the influx expires ordered again."

A separation according to religion holds Lauinger but wrong: Particularly intense religious Muslims must learn to live with other religions. "It is to tolerate a balancing act between the conflict-avoidant separate accommodation and the clear request, other cultures and religions."

Ali Reza Rahmani from Iran carries his baptismal cross around his neck, his wrist colorful ribbon. Because he no longer felt safe in the home, Pastor Martens has granted him sanctuary. "I can no longer hide the fact that I am a Christian," said Rahmani, who is called in the community after his baptismal name Elia. "As a Christian, I'm not sure in the asylum center."

The hostility against Said and Elijah were not isolated cases, says Martens. "It's long been a nationwide problem." Inside the church, the refugees feel safe. But a steady state could not be. Nevertheless, Martens has just bought new mattresses folding SALE.


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Post  Lamplighter Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:51 am

Hi, Max, thanks for the translation, I was going to do it this morning, brain slows down after 9pm!! LL
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:01 pm

Ah, thanks, Max - appalling, isn't it? And this is what those handwringing fools want to inflict on the rest of us.

Never mind the violence and intolerance, that video of them whining about the slow internet says it all.
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Post  bb1 Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:03 pm

"Devout Muslims teach there the view: Where we are, there is the Sharia, there is our law."

The moonbats, do-gooders and assorted lefty liberals preaching to the rest of us really do need to get it through their skulls - that is what the whole problem is with these particular 'migrants'.

And it is NOT 'racist' to object to their backward, intolerant belief systems being forced on the rest of us.
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