Re-interment of King Richard III

lily wrote:Then...drumroll......Stuarts.  

The Stuarts had been around for a while before they lowered themselves to travel south, Lily, and clear up the mess the chavvy Tudors had caused.

bb1 wrote:Yes, it was, Sabot. Try someone who isn't much into history about the Tudors, and you get, H8 and the wives and the headchopping, Bloody Mary and the heretic incineration, and Gloriana and the Armada.

Oh, and the odd one remembers that H8 wrecked the-then church in a manner worthy of ISIS so he could legally get his leg over with Anne Boleyn. Most people don't remember H7 or E6.

It makes great soap opera TV, but it must have been Hell to live under.

Karma.

I meant in relation to England, Bonny.  Sorry.  

I was very glad that people were careful to give Richard his proper titles, Lily, and NOT call him the 'British King' - he was referred to as 'King of England and France and Lord of Ireland'. Now, I am sure France and Ireland both had one or two objections to that, but at least it was accurate.

It sure was.   

I do think that Richard's death was a loss to England, and the wider British Isles, Lily. Remember, James IV was about to take the Scottish throne, and he was a truly remarkable monarch by any standards, let alone Stuart standards. Until, of course, he suffered a similar fate to Richard thirty years later...

Richard doesn't seem to have shown any taste for bloodshed, there is no record of him killing for the sake of it in his military records. That's rare at any time, but remarkable for the late Middle Ages. It would have been novel indeed to have an intelligent, sane, and accomplished monarch on each throne - usually, one or the other, or both, was, well, a bit barking.

Oh my word.  That would have been wonderful for everyone?

Good morning, what a wonderful day yesterday was! Found this. LL
http://www.pukaarnews.com/richard-iii-prayer-book-to-come-to-leicester-for-reinterment/13489/

Morning, LL. Yes, yesterday seemed to crystallise everything about the life and death of Richard the Third, and how much more honourable he was than any of The Tudors. Things that history might never have known or considered.

I have been reading his thread since the beginning and found out things I had never heard before, but somehow, yesterday I discovered a spirituality of the man himself. His poor back, and how brave he was. All a bit odd really.

Been searching for links that you may like to take a look at. Found this one. LL

http://richardiiinetwork.forumotion.com/

That's a good one, LL, a lot of information on that.

Hope you've recovered from yesterday's high emotion? The Mercury has a short video of the events:

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/King-Richard-III-People-travel-globe-watch-coffin/story-26213644-detail/story.html

No doubt longer ones will be available later.

Hi, bonny. I am absolutely emotionally drained. As a lifelong Ricardian I never imagined this would ever happen in my lifetime. And there's more to come! LL

I am so, so pleased for you, and all the others who have championed Richard's cause for so long, were able to see this - and him being treated with the love and respect he deserves.

I gather from comments in various places that Starkey made a complete t*t of himself, gibbering about 'Ricardian loons'. He must have been beside himself with rage. Which is good.

I believe there is an online site for those who cannot pay their respects at the Cathedral in person; will try to find a link.....

Incidentally, I am very glad C4 got the TV rights; it's only fair, as they have been involved right from the start, when the whole idea of even finding Richard seemed completely bonkers.

I shudder to think what the BBC would have done to it; I can well imagine politically-correct lectures about whether disabilities make monarchs prone to nephew-disposal, with even more pomposity from Starkey.

C4, IMO, got it pretty much spot on, capturing not just what a poignant historical moment it was, but the sheer enthusiasm of all the people, mainly amateurs, who threw their hearts into making the day so special.

The BBC ran the whole thing all day on BBC News and it was well done with interviews with people lining the route etc. No discussions re controversial issues, just plain reporting. The only time I saw Starkey was when he was badmouthing the Ricardians on C4. He has big problems, besides actually existing - if proof ever comes to light that H7 did have a hand in killing the boys, ie got someone like Buckingham to do it, or had them killed after he usurped the throne, then he will have egg all over his face and I am afraid historians do NOT like being wrong!! He cannot debate, he can only rant, rave and throw childish insults at all and sundry. Starkey ignores allevidence that doesn't fit in with his prejudiced tunnel vision. I don't think Jon Snow(?) was much enamored of him. LL

I confess, I didn't watch much BBC stuff, LL, I try to avoid BBC news on principle after what they did at the time of the referendum.

I suspect Starkey's days are numbered anyway, he's rather relegated to being 'the Tudor expert'. Younger, better historians have come along, that don't just recite kings, dates and battles - generally Tudors at that. He's a bit of a one-trick pony.

I could rip Starkey into thin strips if I could ever be bothered - but who cares about a sad ageing queen whose time in the headlines is fast vanishing. LL

Yes, I think that's Starkey's problem - he's a has-been, and a rather discredited one at that. Anyone that gives him airtime knows what he is going to spout.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ecEyrN6vCQ

One of my favourites.

That's so funny, what the hell has Richard and his nephews got to do with Labor and the Millibands? What got David Milliband sidelined was not sibling rivalry, I have been told, but his attempts to undermine Bliar. The sister of one of my London friends worked with the elder Milliband when he was Minister for Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra)and he made no attempt to disguise his dislike of Bliar or his ambition to replace him as PM. LL

The monarch's remains, discovered beneath a Leicester car park in 2012, will stay under the watchful eye of an honour guard of ex-Forces veterans at Leicester Cathedral until Thursday, when the king is finally lowered into a purpose-built tomb made of Yorkshire Swaledale stone

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It's best just to look at the pics, and ignoring the bitching from the Mail and the Yorkies - they're hopelessly embittered.

Come on, peeps, singalonga the kids!!    LL

Oh, that's brilliant, LL!

bb1 wrote:Oh, that's brilliant, LL!

Ha, ha, I thought you would like it! LL

This is quite a good piece:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/22/king-richard-iii-reburial-rest-in-peace-leicester

The order of service looked as if the tragedy of Bosworth and the regime change it led to, when the crown which fell from Richard’s dying head was placed on that of Henry Tudor, had never happened.

The cover read “for the reception of the Remains of King Richard III by the grace of God King of England and France and Lord of Ireland.”

That is very well observed, and may have contributed to Starkey's fury as one of his idol was, well, brushed out of history.