Assange seeks asylum....in Ecuador Embassy

But this isn't about Gary McKinnon, this is about Assange trying to spin melodramatic nonsense to avoid going back to Sweden to deal with one or two legal matters arising from his alleged todger trouble.

bb1 wrote:But this isn't about Gary McKinnon, this is about Assange trying to spin melodramatic nonsense to avoid going back to Sweden to deal with one or two legal matters arising from his alleged todger trouble.

Both involve Extradition to America. As did Megrahi. My point being that if Scotland can tell The US to bugger off, then so can England. But perhaps Scotland has got more balls.

But this DOESN'T involve extradition to America; the only person claiming it does is Assange. Why would they want him? He's destroyed Wikileaks himself, the material he released wasn't top-level - it was tittle-tattle that hurt people like the McCanns.

They have Americans alleged to be involved in custody; why would they want him - he's no threat to them now and more trouble than he's worth.

And suppose the US did want to extradite him? He is far more in danger of that being successful in the UK than in Sweden.

I am afraid I am with LL.

I am sure I saw somewhere that he applied to live and work in Sweden. I think his request was turned down. LL

ETA Found it:

18 August 2010

Mr Assange applies for a residence permit to live and work in Sweden. He hopes to create a base for Wikileaks there, because of the country's laws protecting whistle-blowers.

18 October 2010

The Wikileaks founder is denied residency in Sweden. No reason is given, although an official on Sweden's Migration Board tells the AFP news agency "he did not fulfil the requirements".

Any idea what that was about? Or could someone see into the future and the international drama and hassle he was going to create?

Easy - would you give residency status to someone who wants to use your country as a staging post for Wikileaks as it is known to be good to whistle-blowers? This would explain his diatribes against Sweden, a very pleasant country with nice people, and his insistence they would hand him over to the US because they are in the USA's pocket. He's trying to get his own back for the refusal by ratcheting up the ante re extradition. Someone called him paranoid and delusional, I reckon they are spot on. LL

I have to say that their women are a bit scary.

Sabot wrote:
I have to say that their women are a bit scary.

Oh, ma petite, I thought nobody could scare you! I have holidayed in Sweden, my dad had contacts with other exporters there and I know what you mean, they seem so 'teflon'!! I think its the squeaky clean image they have. LL

Lamplighter wrote:

Sabot wrote:
I have to say that their women are a bit scary.

Oh, ma petite, I thought nobody could scare you! I have holidayed in Sweden, my dad had contacts with other exporters there and I know what you mean, they seem so 'teflon'!! I think its the squeaky clean image they have. LL

But I'm not a man, LL. So they don't scare me. But I think Squeaky Clean might be a bad analogy.

In 2010, a statement from Ecuador's foreign ministry appeared to offer the controversial Assange an invitation to discuss a trove of leaked documents. The ministry also offered to process a request for residency, if Assange chose. But a later statement from the Ecuadorian Embassy in the United States said that was not the case.

"While there was some confusion in the media flowing out of Quito yesterday, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa has clarified that his country has not invited WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange to Ecuador," the statement read.

In Ecuador, Correa said at the time that his country had not made a formal invitation to Assange and that the ministry declaration, made by Deputy Foreign Minister Kintto Lucas, was "spontaneous" and personal in nature.

This whole thing is like an everlasting corkscrew! LL

Maybe that's what's wrong with him, Sweden isn't exactly short of tall people with white-blonde hair.

Oh well, that's okay then. Julian can go and stay with him. If he can get there.

Sabot wrote:

Lamplighter wrote:

Sabot wrote:
I have to say that their women are a bit scary.

Oh, ma petite, I thought nobody could scare you! I have holidayed in Sweden, my dad had contacts with other exporters there and I know what you mean, they seem so 'teflon'!! I think its the squeaky clean image they have. LL

But I'm not a man, LL. So they don't scare me. But I think Squeaky Clean might be a bad analogy.

Personally, I always found Swedish ladies rather aloof and cold; much prefer Austrian ladies, but then I could be a bit biased? LL

I don't fancy women. LL. What are the men like?

According to the Sky Breaking News tape, Assange has said there is no guarantee that his asylum bid will succeed.

Make of that what you will.

If he hadn't done it he was going to be extradited, so perhaps he was just drawing attention to himself. Nothing lost if his bid fails.

Sabot wrote:
I don't fancy women. LL. What are the men like?

Can't answer that, ma petite, I always prefer women. Most Swedish men I know are pleasant people to be with. LL

4. If no state, what other jurisdiction is there?
5. He is not a US citizen, what is the actual position of the government?
6. He is not in the US Military, what is his position re them?
7. If the government/military, how does the situation stand re the death penalty?

LL, I will try to answer those points as best I can and I hope that Tony will add and/or correct me where I am wrong.

The US can go to court and accuse him, in absentia, of x, y, z crimes. So because he is absent this always runs the risk of being abused whereby he is accused and sentenced of things he has not done or said. The person then has an order for extradition made against them to the country where they are.

It is then up to the other country as to what happens next and also whether or not there is an extradition treaty with that country, as I know you know.

If the person is not extradited, then they can always stay away from the requesting country and its territories.

I know that the UK, for instance, is considering changing its extradition policy with the US which they are perfectly entitled to do.

I think that Assange has hyped up this non existent death sentence BS for sympathy which makes my skin crawl.

Again, when Wikileaks leaked all that info, the US was at war with Iraq and Afghanistan. A load of the documents were mostly embarrassing and not damaging in reality.

However, I will say it again, what did Assange think about the allies' informants and their families in those countries? He had to have known their lives were in serious danger when he would not trouble himself, or his team, to take out their names from the documents. I wonder how many of them were killed and/or harmed?

Finally, I am sure we all remember the Alexander Litvinenko matter? What happened there?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/29/alexander-litvinenko-polonium-suspect-charged

No country is perfect. The US has many faults as do other countries in the world. The US also has many wonderful attributes.

The US is very open as far as its news etc is concerned, which is why the rest of the world knows about so much that is happening in that wonderful land. This also makes it possible for other people to bash it. It's one of the prices we pay for free speech.

Thank you lily for your above post. Yesterday on CNN there was an interview with the man at whose place he has been staying since he was put on curfew. According to him, Assange is a 'European dissident' and should be ranked with Ai Wei Wei and Aung San Suu Kyi - why does the west recognised these people and not such a wonderful person as Assange, he asked. He kept banging on about the fear Assange has of being passed from Sweden to the US, despite Max Foster, the presenter, saying again and again that this threat is non-existent at this time, it had not been made. Elsewhere I read that Assange's fixation with this extradition threat is fast making his supporters less than happy. I also saw that Bianca Jagger denied a report that she had contributed to his bail money. As for who his revelations may have harmed, I remember in WW2 those posters 'Careless Talk Costs Lives' warning people to keep stumm at all times so as not to give the enemy any clues etc as to what the Allies were up to. LL

As always, you are welcome LL.

This is one article relating to Assange's unconscionable actions.

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/taliban+hunt+wikileaks+outed+afghan+informers/3727667.html

Assange's hysteria is rather like Bennett's when he continues time and again to state that the McCanns are trying to have him imprisoned.

ETA: Please read this for an article.


http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/wikileaks%2bdamage%2balready%2bdone%2bsays%2bhuman%2brights%2bgroup/3727677.html

I have read all 1119 of the Global Intelligence Files leaked by wikileaks. And, having done so, I have found with the majority of them, they should not have been sent using a public email system that anyone could have hacked, including myself.
For example: This mail was termed as secret information sent using a yahoo account?



Re: Letter
Email-ID 5315700
Date 2004-12-19 00:48:39
From atsullivan4321@comcast.net
To bilalkinguk@yahoo.co.uk

Haytham:

I have forwarded all of this to the key people at the corporation.

They will be able to figure out what your email address is, or how to
respond to you in this fashion. I can't

Also, I have flagged this information to them as an issue of highest
priority.

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: bILAl reda
To: Tony Sullivan
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:40 PM
Subject: Letter
Hello Tony
I knew from very confident sources
in Syria inside the Ba'th party that the party leadership is planning
to Islamize the party
to give the regime some Islamic and popular legitimacy on one hand, and
to absorb the
ascendence of the fundamentalist Islamism in Syria on the other hand,
the vice-president
Abdul-halim Khadam is leading this process which is very new and in its
first step of
planning. This info is very new and secret and this process is similar
of what Saddam
Hussein has done after the Gulf war when he brought the Wahabbi Salafi
groups to Iraq
to islamize the society in front of the Shi'ism in Iraq and later
brought Abu Mus'ab
al-Zarqawi and the Islamist fighters to fight the coalition forces.
Please let's our
correspondence be at this email and using my nickname on the bottom.
All the best,

Well done, Tony.

I won't bother stating again what I think of Ass Angel. My views on his poor circumstances are here in their glory.

Mr. Assange does know they have central heating in Gitmo, doesn't he?

I will say this about the US. I spent nearly 4 years there, working in LA. I found the people to be friendly and helpful; they made me feel at home, their kindness was incredible. I think 9/11 changed them a lot; it made them realise that being on the other side of the world is not a safe haven; if terrorists want to get to you, they will. There are aspects of the US I do not like, one being the death penalty and keeping convicts on death row for years and years and then suddenly deciding to execute them. I also must admit to finding the leg shackles offensive; in Europe we handcuff prisoners for transport or if they are likely, in court for instance, to become a problem, and in that case the Judge would just order the prisoner removed to a holding cell. All countries have their good points and their bad ones, none are perfect r we would all be seeking asylum there !! LL

According to him, Assange is a 'European dissident' and should be ranked with Ai Wei Wei and Aung San Suu Kyi - why does the west recognised these people and not such a wonderful person as Assange, he asked.

Maybe because he's not European and he's not a dissent? Sounds to me like he is doing a con job on his latest hosts.


Assange's hysteria is rather like Bennett's when he continues time and again to state that the McCanns are trying to have him imprisoned.

That is exactly who he is reminding me of, Lily. He is spinning this nonsense to divert from the fact that his woes are not stemming from some high-minded Yuman Rites debate, but from his alleged failure to buy a packet of condoms.

As far as I am aware, the death penalty isn't even on the table for Private Manning, so what on earth is Assange shrieking about?