Haters in frenzy of dog-worship over US case

I bet these two will be a bit more careful in future. And I hope Grime got his money up front.

Physically chastising a child in the USA is often done by 'paddling' them. A flat otem, rather like a very small tennis racquet, but solid where the strings would normally be, is applied to the rear end. I have seen one used, but it is usually applied more in sorrow than in anger, I have been told. Often just the sight of a parent picking up the paddle will make the child behave. LL

I don't know about using an object to hit a child and never seen one paddled. In any case, this would be the realm of The Children Services Department. The children can be taken away from you, well at least in California.

lily wrote:I don't know about using an object to hit a child and never seen one paddled. In any case, this would be the realm of The Children Services Department. The children can be taken away from you, well at least in California.

I saw it done in Tennessee; I was most surprised. It wasn't hard, more of a slap, but when I showed surprise I was told it was a last resort; the girl in question was a right little minx. She has, however, grown up to be a really nice adult!! LL

Detroit seems to have different rules....apart from cars, TMG, and Eminem, Detroit wasn't really on my radar till this case, and starting to read the local papers.

I really, really would not like to live there. I have never seen such a litany of violence and murder, and truly bizarre crimes. And that's only the police and the elected officials...

Thanks LL.

Bonny, it can be a really scary place to be. So much serious crime. It was once given the title of the most violent city in the US.

I believe that there are some nice parts in the suburbs though.

I was actually reading about some of the locals who are trying to revive a rather lovely park, and rescue it and the surrounding area from the druggies, alkies, hookers and general detritus who have got away with wrecking it for years, Lily.

It must be an uphill struggle.

Lamplighter wrote:Physically chastising a child in the USA is often done by 'paddling' them. A flat otem, rather like a very small tennis racquet, but solid where the strings would normally be, is applied to the rear end. I have seen one used, but it is usually applied more in sorrow than in anger, I have been told. Often just the sight of a parent picking up the paddle will make the child behave. LL

For Bed Wetting? Bed Wetting is almost always an allergy to something drunk or eaten. But beating a child will never cure this because fear alone can cause it.
But who has ever seriously looked into the Allergy Angle.
Only one of my sons had a bed wetting problem, and it was milk and orange juice.
Me? If I eat sugar then you can be certain sure that I will have to get up in the night to pee.
How can any parent not know that no child deliberately soils it's own bed? But I wouldn't want anyone sent to prison for that piece of ignorant stupidity.

Sabot wrote:

Lamplighter wrote:Physically chastising a child in the USA is often done by 'paddling' them. A flat otem, rather like a very small tennis racquet, but solid where the strings would normally be, is applied to the rear end. I have seen one used, but it is usually applied more in sorrow than in anger, I have been told. Often just the sight of a parent picking up the paddle will make the child behave. LL

For Bed Wetting? Bed Wetting is almost always an allergy to something drunk or eaten. But beating a child will never cure this because fear alone can cause it.
But who has ever seriously looked into the Allergy Angle.
Only one of my sons had a bed wetting problem, and it was milk and orange juice.
Me? If I eat sugar then you can be certain sure that I will have to get up in the night to pee.
How can any parent not know that no child deliberately soils it's own bed? But I wouldn't want anyone sent to prison for that piece of ignorant stupidity.

I know nothing about bed wetting, ma petite, the case I mentioned was actually for biting and scratching and pulling her small sister's hair. She had been warned. Even adults can wet the bed, so no child should be chastised for it, instead the parents should try and work out why the child is doing that. It can also be psychological, I have been told. LL

So, even allowing for the time difference, the Detroit jury are not rushing to a decision...

Lamplighter wrote:

Sabot wrote:

Lamplighter wrote:Physically chastising a child in the USA is often done by 'paddling' them. A flat otem, rather like a very small tennis racquet, but solid where the strings would normally be, is applied to the rear end. I have seen one used, but it is usually applied more in sorrow than in anger, I have been told. Often just the sight of a parent picking up the paddle will make the child behave. LL

For Bed Wetting? Bed Wetting is almost always an allergy to something drunk or eaten. But beating a child will never cure this because fear alone can cause it.
But who has ever seriously looked into the Allergy Angle.
Only one of my sons had a bed wetting problem, and it was milk and orange juice.
Me? If I eat sugar then you can be certain sure that I will have to get up in the night to pee.
How can any parent not know that no child deliberately soils it's own bed? But I wouldn't want anyone sent to prison for that piece of ignorant stupidity.

I know nothing about bed wetting, ma petite, the case I mentioned was actually for biting and scratching and pulling her small sister's hair. She had been warned. Even adults can wet the bed, so no child should be chastised for it, instead the parents should try and work out why the child is doing that. It can also be psychological, I have been told. LL

Hitting a child for hurting another child is hardly going to solve that problem, LL. Common bloody sense should tell people that. I don't actually know because it was never something that I had to deal with. But I suspect that it is something to do with lack of attention at a crucial time. Like, don't ignore your first baby because you now have another baby. But some parents do.
I wish that I could say that I never hit any of mine, but this wouldn't be true, although I do know that the failure was always mine. But then it was only ever a passing smack. My middle and most exasperating child was mostly much too quick on his feet, and I was sometimes too stressed to find the time to reason with him. Two children too close together, and a husband almost permanently away "At Sea." But such is life.
Ha! I once took a swipe at him with a wooden spoon in my hand, and broke the wooden spoon when I caught it on the table. And I have never been allowed to forget that one. Ho Ho, Mum, you nearly beat Julian with a Wooden Spoon. Ho Ho indeed.

Two videos about the case which I hadn't seen before.

https://vimeo.com/51227755 Interrogation of the suspect

https://vimeo.com/51226754 Closing arguments in trial

I know that the situations are very different but I don't think any of the three (cop or lawyers) would fit well in the UK situation.

I dare not open the links because I don't want my laptop frozen again. Not that I think that there is a conspiracy, but Apple never was daft.

But we will know before much longer of what The Jury thinks.

I did think that D'Andre Lane was likely guilty, but now I am not so sure. Just because I think that he and the child's mother are horrible people does not make him a murderer.

Do I want him to be acquitted because I want so called Death Miasma Dogs discredited? Probably. But since I have seen nothing so far that would give then any credit, then I don't think I need to beat myself up too much on that one.

I do not know for the life of me why Grime was ever invited in the first place, or why he was brought at great expense within two days to America. Other than to grandstand a Case with no other Evidence.

Sabot wrote:
I dare not open the links because I don't want my laptop frozen again. Not that I think that there is a conspiracy, but Apple never was daft.

But we will know before much longer of what The Jury thinks.

I did think that D'Andre Lane was likely guilty, but now I am not so sure. Just because I think that he and the child's mother are horrible people does not make him a murderer.

Do I want him to be acquitted because I want so called Death Miasma Dogs discredited? Probably. But since I have seen nothing so far that would give then any credit, then I don't think I need to beat myself up too much on that one.

I do not know for the life of me why Grime was ever invited in the first place, or why he was brought at great expense within two days to America. Other than to grandstand a Case with no other Evidence.

The links are to the Vimeo video site not Detroit.

greenink211 wrote:

Sabot wrote:
I dare not open the links because I don't want my laptop frozen again. Not that I think that there is a conspiracy, but Apple never was daft.

But we will know before much longer of what The Jury thinks.

I did think that D'Andre Lane was likely guilty, but now I am not so sure. Just because I think that he and the child's mother are horrible people does not make him a murderer.

Do I want him to be acquitted because I want so called Death Miasma Dogs discredited? Probably. But since I have seen nothing so far that would give then any credit, then I don't think I need to beat myself up too much on that one.

I do not know for the life of me why Grime was ever invited in the first place, or why he was brought at great expense within two days to America. Other than to grandstand a Case with no other Evidence.

The links are to the Vimeo video site not Detroit.

Okay. On your head. As if.

There is actually one Detroit site that DOES freeze everything, it did it to me. It was one of the more obscure ones.

The videos are OK, though. Unless they don't like macs?

Shit. Was that for Real? Is this how they carry on in The Police Stations and The Courts of Detroit?

I was actually ashamed to have watched that, on both counts. That was Racial Discrimination at it's worst because that was done by it's own to it's own.
And I hope The Jury aren't all Black.

I think I feel sick.

Just be glad you don't live in Detroit, Sabot. The jury are still deliberating, which is interesting.

Haute cuisine in Michegan:

HOLLAND TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) - Authorities say a blaze that displaced dozens of people from a southwest Michigan apartment complex may have been sparked by a resident trying to cook a squirrel with a propane torch.
Fire Chief Jim Kohsel tells MLive.com that the resident apparently planned to eat the animal and was burning off its fur on a third-floor deck at the building in Ottawa County's Holland Township when the fire broke out Wednesday. Flames spread to the roof. Kohsel says eight apartments are destroyed and others damaged.


Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/squirrel-dinner-prep-maybe-sparked-michigan-fire#ixzz292Xpi12E

I have got a nasty suspicion that this is going to be Pyrrhic Victory. But don't worry because I will make the best of it anyway.

I know what you mean, Sabot. I don't want to see the bad guy get off either, but proving he is a bad guy isn't my job, it's the prosecution's.

Sorry, Bonny. I have probably been stereotyping, although that is often difficult with American Court Rooms where I expect Lawyers to behave like, well, Lawyers. But the sight of that Black, Female Prosecutor doing her grandstand act was just a bit too much for me. There was nothing even remotely controlled about the way in which she carried on. I would have acquitted him on her performance alone.

It looks like deliberations are finished for today:


Posted: 10/10/2012
Last Updated: 10 minutes ago
By: WXYZ.com Web Staff
DETROIT (WXYZ) - The 12 men and women deciding the fate of D'Andre Lane will return to the jury room Friday morning after nearly five hours of deliberations on Thursday.
Lane is accused of killing his 2-year-old daughter, Bianca Jones.
Should Lane be found guilty of Felony Murder and First Degree Child Abuse the penalty is life in prison without the chance of parole. The decision would have to be unanimous by the jurors.
Bianca's mother, Banika Jones, has been sitting in court in support of Lane.


Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/jury-to-decide-fate-of-dandre-lane-in-bianca-jones-murder-trial#ixzz292gktZjv

The rest of the article just repeats what we already know.

I must say, I am surprised - and I suspect the prosecution are, too. I got the impression they thought it was going to be a slam-dunk.

I know there has to be a unanimous 'guilty' verdict in the US, but does there have to be a unanimous 'not guilty', too?

And if they cannot agree, it's ruled a mistrial and starts all over again?

I think it only applies to a Not Unanimous Guilty Verdict, Bonny. I don't think they have a Not Unanimous Innocent Verdict.
Then The Prosecution can only decide if they want to go through it all again. But which ever way you look at it, The Defence aren't going to fight over a Not Unanimous Anything Verdict. All they need is Reasonable Doubt. And it only takes one to do that.