SYRIA: Nerve Gas Attack

Is it bothering them? I doubt it, Bonny.

Does it bother them that Assad will probably retaliate against any strike? So what will the west do except retaliate themselves? Thus killing or maiming hundreds or thousands of innocent children, women and men as a result?

Is that worth it? They would not want to be called selective or hypocritical would they?  

I have no doubt at all that Assad would fire back, Lily, and as far as I can make out, would be justified in doing so, as the US or whoever had launched an unprovoked attack on Syria. Assad is no threat to the UK, US, or France - though the people he is fighting are.

The war lobby don't seem to be grasping that, with their cries of something must be done. It's a CIVIL WAR and both sides are equally horrible. I would have to say that the 'rebels' are marginally ahead in the horrible stakes due to their fondness for slaughtering the wrong kind of Muslim, Christians, prisoners, etc. And cannibalism.

Not to mention their desire to replace a secular dictatorship which protected minorities with a religious dictatorship which makes persecuting minorities, and turning women back into non-people, a matter of policy.

As Cameron and co are hand-wringing about YouTubes, they might like to take a look at the videos of rebel atrocities - if their sensitive stomachs can stand it.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/facebook-post-said-to-be-by-assads-son-dares-americans-to-attack/?_r=0

The above link is from the NY Times.  Please read the alleged Facebook comments.  I did and I noted something which I think may be important.  Why are all the posts in English?

ETA: Bonny, I totally agree with your post. It stands to common sense after all.

Interesting.....

NATO chief: No plans for alliance action in Syria

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- NATO's chief has said for the first time the alliance has no plans for military action in Syria because of the alleged use of chemical weapons against its civilians.

Asked about the alleged deadly attack in a suburb of Damascus on Aug. 21, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen pointed the finger at Syrian forces. "It demands cynicism beyond what is reasonable to believe that the opposition is behind a chemical attack in an area it already largely controls," he said.

On Wednesday, Fogh Rasmussen said, "Any use of such weapons is unacceptable and cannot go unanswered. Those responsible must be held accountable."

But on Friday he told reporters in Denmark that NATO has no plans to intervene in Syria, which would require the approval of all of its 28 members.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/30/3596100/nato-chief-no-plans-for-alliance.html#storylink=cpy

And what spectacularly good English punctuation for a supposed 11 year old Syrian child....If the West is reduced to making policy by FB and YouTube, then we're rightly doomed.

It reads to me as if it's written by someone trying to hide the fact that they're a literate, native English-speaker, frankly. A troll, in other words.

Meanwhile, back at the battlefront:

http://news.sky.com/story/1135228/us-syrian-regime-planned-attack-for-days

Syrian regime members were preparing for chemical weapons use three days before the alleged gas attack in Damascus, the US says.

US Secretary of State John Kerry said elements in President Bashar al Assad's regime were told to prepare by putting on gas marks.

Mr Kerry said the Syrian government was determined to rid the capital's suburbs of the opposition and it was frustrated that it had not succeeded in doing so.

He claimed the rockets used in last week's attack came from regime-controlled areas and hit only opposition-controlled or contested neighbourhoods.

Mr Kerry was speaking about a US intelligence report which blamed Syria's government for the attack with "high confidence" and said it was "highly unlikely" the atrocity was plotted by rebels.

The report said that 1,429 people were killed in the attack, including 426 children, and said the assessment was based on "multiple" streams of intelligence.

So, still no evidence of who did it, let alone proof. How does he know what 'elements' were told to do? His hairdresser's niece tell him, did she?

If they want to start a war, they'd better start putting some cast-iron proof on the table and stop using weasel words like 'high confidence'.

"It demands cynicism beyond what is reasonable to believe that the opposition is behind a chemical attack in an area it already largely controls," he said.

Really? I would have thought it perfectly reasonable to suspect they may have set one of their own 'kitchen sarin' brews off by accident and then capitalised on it?

So there you go. No one really cares beyond their own interests. And I can't say that I do either.
Sorry about that, but I can't save the world. More women and children will die, and I don't know what to do about it. And nor does anyone else it seems.

I despair.

Sabot, I think if the US go ahead, I will be joining you even more than now.

I've just read the whole of Kerry's speech, and it's an insult to anyone's intelligence, with its reports from 'social media' - he means twitter and fb. And we all know how trustworthy that is.

Does he seriously expect people to believe that, with the UN inspectors on the premises, the Assad regime spent THREE DAYS planning a gas attack? The very idea is ridiculous. One thing Assad isn't is stupid.

I don't like being lied to by anyone, least of all our supposed 'leaders' over matters of life and death.

You are not alone in hating to be lied to Bonny. I wonder what their agenda really is? I say that because I just don't trust them.........

lily wrote:Sabot, I think if the US go ahead, I will be joining you even more than now.

I don't know, Lily. Personally, I believe that the ruling regime did this, but I don't actually know. And I don't think that I actually care.
These Muslim factions all think that they have their God on their side, whatever God that might be. They all believe in the same God. It is just The Tribe that makes the difference.
Look to Catholisism and Protestantism to get the measure of that. Catholics and Protestants are still fighting it out. But they all believe in the one same God.

Stuff it. Let them kill each other. It will end, even if only for that. Kill their children. Kill their wives. Why should I care? Absolutely nothing to do with me, or the brave young men who thought that they were defending Britain.

I simply do not care anymore if some ghastly Sect thinks that it has some God given right.
Just stay off my patch. We all get on really well around here.

Stunning.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/30/kerry-says-clear-evidence-chemical-weapons-used-in-syria-as-intelligence/

Kerry called Bashar Assad a "thug" and a "murderer" who must not be allowed to escape retribution for the attack.


Excuse me, but I thought the script called for us to go to war to protect civilians, not because we had decided to be police, judge, jury and executioner?

As for:

As U.N. inspectors pull out of Syria following a week-long investigation into the attack, U.N. officials have urged the international community to await the findings of that investigation. Kerry, though, said the probe will not implicate anybody in the attack; only confirm whether the weapons were used.
"By the definition of their own mandate, the U.N. can't tell us anything we haven't shared with you this afternoon or that we don't already know," he said.

Someone sounds like he is in a panic. I'm glad to see this rubbish is getting as big a pasting in the comments from Americans as similar rubbish has in the UK. When is it going to sink in that people just don't believe them?

Some of those comments are really good and say it as it is.

Most of us don't want to to place the onus on America, or at least, I don't. You can all please yourselves for what that is worth. But there seems to have been some sort of insanity during which the two countries have to be together, when in fact we are not the same thing at all.
And Presidents are not the same as Prime Ministers. But neither of them have a God given right to interfere. This is The West, and we seriously do not understand what these people are about.
We don't understand their mind set or how cheap life is to them. How little they care for a bunch of babies. It simply isn't the same as we believe.

When is it going to dawn on them, no-one is buying this nonsense this time, Lily? I doubt if one in ten, here and the States, believes the story that's being spun.

And why the HELL are they so desperate to start a war?

US Secretary of State John Kerry said President Bashar al Assad's personnel were on the ground making preparations for a chemical assault for three days before the nerve gas atrocity in Damascus.

And he said American knows based on intelligence that elements in Mr Assad's government were told to prepare by putting on gas masks.

That right, is it?

So, if all these clever spy-type people (or, my hairdresser's niece, as crap like this is also known) knew days ahead that there was going to be some kind of chemical attack -

WHY DID NO-ONE PICK UP THE PHONE AND TELL THE UN INSPECTORS WHAT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN?

What an utter crock of sh*t. The morons dreaming this up should hang their heads in shame. From the look on his face when he was spouting this, even Kerry didn't believe it. I gather he refused to take questions from the press?

They don't want to start a war, Bonny. They just think that everyone will run away when they stamp their feet.
But since it is none of our business if the Arabs choose to slaughter their own, then the West should mind it's own affairs.

I can't be doing with it. Either we do something or we don't. Either of which will kill more Arabs. I can't say that I care of which. Any more than I would care if someone wanted to kill me for being a Catholic, or a Protestant, should I even know myself.

If you can face picking your way through this mess, Sabot, the Source of all this supposed information is - twitter, followed by facebook and YouTube. The frigging internet, the natural habitat of liars and propagandists with an axe to grind.

It's shameful, and insulting.

It is all so blo**y phoney. There is something else going on here. What I cannot accurately say...

Too many possibilities.

Oh do come on, Bonny. The chances of it being the work of Assad are pretty high. Albeit not yet proven. But then that is the point of War. Any one can make a case and then jump the gun.

The real problem as far as I can see is Hitler. Should we have done something about him sooner? Did we even have a right? It wasn't our War. Were we wrong to get involved? History tells us that we weren't wrong. We just hung about for too long. Six million people too long. And we are never going to get over this. We are never going to get over Genocide in our time. It colours our ever waking thought. As well it should.
Are Arabs any less important? I think not. I just don't know what to do. But I should.

Hitler was, IMO, a one-off, one of the very few wars where things were clear-cut.

But what about the First World War? Does anyone actually know what that was about - beyond, an Arch-Duke was shot by a terrorist and then assorted allies and rivals visited that slaughter on the world?

Do we want to do that again by meddling in a civil war in the Middle East - on the side of our own most bitter enemies, let us not forget. It's completely insane, it makes no sense at any level.

I'm with Lily, this is phoney, and something else is going on here.

Something about this really stinks to high heaven.  

Oh, I do so much agree. A civil war in the middle east is none of our business. But then nor was a supposedly economic war in Germany. It was just by the by that they were bumping off Jews by the cart load. And happen to be have been stupid enough to attack Poland.
And Hitler was never a one off. His kind has been around for centuries. We tolerate them or we don't. And the Arabs are just bumping off the Sects that those in power don't like. It is just the same old thing. Like the horror story that was Ireland. Best not to get me started on that one.
Someone in the middle east is trying to dispose of the Sects that don't suit them. Although for the life of me I don't know which Sect amounts to what. But believe me, they will win, because it is none of our business. Millions of women and children will die. Mostly children because the children are the next generation of what they don't want.
And we will sit by and see this happen. God help us all.

Well, they're less likely to win if we don't help them set up religious dictatorships.....

U.S. snubs Britain - and gets cosy with the French: After Cameron's Commons humiliation, Obama prepares to blitz Syria without us

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407511/U-S-snubs-Britain--gets-cosy-French-After-Camerons-Commons-humiliation-Obama-prepares-blitz-Syria-us.html#ixzz2dUTnyWz6
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And that headline is a disgrace - thank God the UK isn't going to be involved in 'blitzing' Syria.