MALAYSIAN AIRLINER 'SHOT DOWN' OVER UKRAINE

you welcome bb1.

Another lie from Kiev debunked:

http://news.sky.com/story/1306331/valid-data-downloaded-from-mh17-black-box

'Valid Data' Downloaded From MH17 Black Box
Investigators say the cockpit voice recorder was damaged but there was no evidence that the 'black box' was tampered with.

Investigators have managed to download "valid" information from downed flight MH17's black box cockpit voice recorder (CVR) despite it being damaged.

The Dutch Safety Board, which is leading the probe into the Malaysia Airlines crash, also said there was no evidence the recorder was tampered with following claims by Ukrainian authorities.

After examining the CVR, the board said the "memory module was intact" and the downloaded data will be analysed in more depth.

It added: "A thorough analysis of the information obtained will take time, the results of this will be included in the investigation."

On Friday, the international team of investigators will start looking at the black box flight data recorder (FDR).

It went on: "This will show whether this recorder also contains relevant information, in which case the data from both recorders will be combined."

The black boxes, which were handed over by pro-Russian separatists to Malaysian authorities on Tuesday - were delivered to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) headquarters in Farnborough, Hampshire, earlier in the day.

The CVR will have given them a recording of up to two hours' conversation between the pilots.

And the FDR will provide them with a record of how the plane's multiple parts were operating and were being operated.

The AAIB and other experts began their examination as the first 40 bodies from the crash site arrived in the Netherlands on military flights from eastern Ukraine.

The United States has said it suspects Ukrainian rebels shot down the jet with a Russian-made missile last Thursday, which they deny.

All 298 people on board were killed in the disaster, including 193 Dutch and 10 from the UK.

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I suspect Washington and Kiev will be praying the pilot's last words aren't, What's that fighter doing coming straight for us?

Just a reminder of what one of the Kiev crew said yesterday:

Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman told a press conference: ‘There is information the recorders were in their hands all these days and they did certain things to them.'
He did not elaborate where this information had come from, however.

From the same place as Gonzo's garbage?

Putin's daughter now being targetted as part of Hate Week:

Dutch call for Putin's daughter to be deported after it is discovered she lives in Holland with her boyfriend: Ukrainians also plan protest outside her apartment
Russian leader's daughter, Maria, lives in The Hague with her Dutch partner
Nine residents of the city were among the 193 Dutch citizens killed in crash
Many blame Putin for supporting Ukrainian rebels accused of downing MH17
Anti-Putin activists have now called for protests outside daughter's house
Local politician calls for her to be deported, but later apologises

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703689/Dutch-call-Putin-s-daughter-deported-discovered-lives-Holland-boyfriend-Ukrainians-plan-protest-outside-apartment.html

Why don't they stop acting like sheep and go and demonstrate outside the US Embassy? None of these people would be dead, not the victims on the airliner, the people burned to death in Odessa, the Ukrainians being bombed daily by Obama's allies, if Washington hadn't, yet again, staged a coup in a foreign nation.

Very interesting comment here:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-24/meanwhile-ukraines-government-collapses-pm-yatsenyuk-reisgns?page=2

From Vladimir Suchan \

A fuller version of what happened starts emerging piece by piece. First, as I pointed out earlier, in one his daily battle reports, Strelkov or his associates indicated as if in passing that the Malaysian airliner, Boeing 777, was shot down by Ukrainian jet fighters. Then came the briefing by the Russian Ministry of Defense, which showed a Ukrainian SU-25 within 3-5 km from the Boeing at the very moment when the Boeing was hit. In the next four minutes, the Ukrainian fighter remained in the area. At the moment, when the Boeing was hit, it was also within the range of several Ukrainian Buk batteries, which were deployed close to Donetsk and then, just for that very day, 8km south of Shakhterskoye, which is also only several miles from the crash site.

Today (July 23), Anna-News published an interview with a Russian Air Force retired colonel Aleksand Zhilin (????????? ?????) who is a frequent military commentator on the conflict in Ukraine. The most important information is stated at 2:00-5:00 in the interview.

According to the colonel, at 16:19:45, a Ukrainian jet fighter targeted the Boeing with an air-to-air missile R-60. The missile damaged the right engine of the Boeing. The Boeing was hit, but still managed to stay in the air. However, in doing so, the Boeing turned 180 degrees to the left. It was at this moment that the false flag attack started falling apart. According to Zhilin, part of the plan controlled by the US with Ukrainian hands executing it was to have the Boeing crash past the southern frontline by the Ukrainian-Russian border. Had the Boeing fallen there, securing the crash sites with the troops in response to international pressure was on top of all else effectively allow Kiev to lift the encirclement of its brigades in the southern pocket by the Russian border.

When, however, the Boeing started to turn in the opposite direction and was still apparently manageable, "the US-Ukrainian headquarters of the special operation panicked and order the Buk battery to destroy the plane in the air in order to pre-empt the possibility of the Boeing's emergency landing." A Buk missile was fired and the plane was then finally destroyed.

The disclosure of the Russian electronic intelligence (in fact, only one part of it) on July 21 put the US against the wall. The existence of this intelligence and other data also means that the US cannot show the real intelligence, which they also have, including the data from their electronic warfare exercise SEA BREEZE 2014 and the data from their spy satellite, which just happened to be over the area during the downing of the Malasysian Boeing.

The other relevant information, which the Russian colonel revealed, was that the Malaysian Boeing was insured for $97 million against damages or losses as a result of military actions.

Rather a lot of that makes perfect sense, it's not as if Washington doesn't have previous form for such homicidal activity.

And now, one week almost to the hour, the Ukrainian government has collapsed.

I suggest this would be a good time for a UN peacekeeping force to go into Ukraine, organise PROPER elections, and if the south-east now wants to be Russian (having only wanted a federal system before they were bombed stupid) then LET IT and stop the bloodshed.

I hope Nuland 'F*ck the EU' still thinks the Cookie Coup was worth it?

By some coincidence, Evil Woman by ELO is currently playing in my home. She sure is and the others.       

I don't know if that's exactly right, Lily, but I would wager those murderous half-wits in Kiev and elsewhere were behind the shooting-down.

Look how fast it was announced by Kiev that 'the terrorists did it with a BuK personally given to them by Putin'. Look how fast the media regurgitated this, when for all anyone knew, it could have been an accident - tragic, but still an accident.

Look at the hysteria and hate that was whipped up by the western media, the disgusting lies and propaganda, like that poor man who was called a 'looter' when the full video showed the exact opposite. It may also explain certain fake tweets and farcebooking - concocted by those fine people at Langley, mayhap?

Then Russia released all that data - especially the bit about the Ukrainian fighter seen on radar near the Boeing. And, as if by a miracle, the temperature started falling. The US 'evidence' turned out to be garbage from twitter.

From Kiev, there has been no 'evidence'. From NATO - which was conducting a huge exercise not far away - there has been no 'evidence'. From GCHQ, there has been no 'evidence'. It's like the dog that didn't bark.

These morons would shoot down the Boeing without a second's thought - look what they've been doing in the east. Nothing's happened about all those people being burned alive in Odessa. Etc., etc.

I wonder, will Obama now try to wriggle out of this by heaping all the blame on the latest ex-pm and his brawling cronies? Because Putin has almost certainly got Obama over a barrel now.

Bonny, I echo your sentiments because that certainly reads a plausible.   

O has a history of blaming everyone for his er.....'problems'. The ex-PM of the Ukraine is the perfect fall guy........

Talk about feeling angry Bonny.......       

This is, I think, good-ish news.

http://rt.com/news/175444-armed-police-ukraine-mh17/

Armed Australian police to deploy to MH17 crash site
Published time: July 25, 2014 07:54
Edited time: July 25, 2014 08:59 Get short URL


A multinational force that has been proposed to further secure the MH17 crash site in eastern Ukraine will now include some 100 armed Australian police personnel, shortly after 40 unarmed Dutchmen had been deployed to “further stabilize the area.”

The additional Australian personnel were discussed by Prime Minister Tony Abbott with President Putin, and will join a contingent of 90 Australian Federal Police (AFP) currently in London, awaiting an order for deployment. The decision will come once Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko gives the go-ahead and the parliament approves the decision, Reuters reports.

The Australian PM told the press that "This is a humanitarian mission, with a clear and simple objective… I expect the operation on the ground in Ukraine, should the deployment go ahead, to last no longer than a few weeks."

Earlier on Thursday an announcement was made on the deployment of the first batch of 50 Australians. That number climbed to 90 by Friday.

For its part, the Dutch government announced on Thursday it was sending 40 unarmed police to the MH17 crash site to “further stabilize the area”, shortly after the Australian PM’s conversation with President Putin that would allow a bolstered multinational force on the ground.

As 50 Australians are in London awaiting an order for deployment to the scene, the Dutch police are set on “examining means to further stabilize the surroundings… it requires international discussions, it requires a legal mandate,” Prime Minister Mark Rutte said.

"It's absolutely not certain that this is all going to work. It's very complex and requires many partners," Rutte continued, adding that the operation “must happen very carefully, which is why the cabinet is seeking ways to strengthen our commitment on the ground in the coming days, but that will happen step-by-step…"

An additional 23 investigators will be provided by the Dutch to accompany the 40 unarmed royal military policemen, according to AFP.

At the time, the Dutch PM refused to comment on whether the Netherlands and Australia are in talks to draft a new UN Security Council resolution to allow armed personnel into Ukraine. This appears to be changing.

Meanwhile the flight recorders, transported to a UK lab, have been unsealed and their memory copied for analysis. The inspection revealed no evidence of tampering with the devices, which may be crucial for investigation, the Interstate Aviation Committee reported on Friday, an international body tasked with investigating all civil aviation incidents in most of former Soviet Union.


The Aussies are in for a shock when they see what has really been going on there, as opposed to what their media has been telling them.

The more international observers there are, the better - as long as 'international' is exactly that, and not Blackwater employees putting on an Aussia accent.

Scrub that, they aren't neutral observers, they're special forces.

http://news.sky.com/story/1307384/sas-forces-on-standby-for-trip-to-ukraine

International special forces are preparing to go to the Ukraine, perhaps as early as this weekend.

A detachment of Australian SAS has arrived in the UK within the past 24 hours, Sky News has learned.

If authorised, they will help secure the crash site of MH17 in eastern Ukraine along with international partners.

They are currently working with British and Dutch special forces - all three nations lost citizens in the disaster.

However, the Ministry of Defence has not confirmed whether British soldiers will be part of the deployment.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Thursday he would send around 50 federal police officers to help form an unarmed multi-national protection force with the aim of providing safe passage to the scene for independent investigators.

In the background, the special forces soldiers would provide armed protection but only if needed.

The area, under the control of various pro-Russian separatist groups, remains highly volatile.

The soldiers will only be authorised to fire their weapons if shot at first.

A separate detachment of Special Forces troops will remain in Eindhoven, on an hour's notice to deploy in the event of a major incident.

This is worth watching - it was hastily removed from the BBC Russia site with a ridiculous excuse.



I don't think there can be much doubt that a Ukrainian jet was very near to the airliner when it was shot down.


ETA, ah, there are no subtitles on that version. Roughly 50 seconds in, the reporter is talking to two local women who saw pretty much everything.

The report on the Malaysian plane tragedy by BBC Russian correspondent Olga Ivshina was released on July 23. She interviewed local witnesses who told her that they saw military aircraft in the sky before the incident.

“And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it [the Malaysian plane]. Everybody saw it,” said one witness.

“It was flying under it [the Malaysian plane], we could see it. It was going underneath the civilian one,” added another.

Strange stories are beginning to circulate that a Source in the Ukraine military has been saying that they might have been having an air defence exercise in the area where the airliner was shot down, and recruits were being taught how to use Buks and things, so it's just possible that someone could have pressed the wrong button....

Just odd rumours, no proper Source, but time will tell. If this is somewhere near the truth, Ukraine is using the same script they used in 2001 when they shot down a Russian airliner:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/1359353/Ukraine-admits-it-shot-down-Russian-airliner.html

Ukraine admits it shot down Russian airliner
By Ben Aris in Moscow12:01AM BST 13 Oct 2001
Ukraine finally admitted yesterday that its military shot down a Russian airliner that crashed into the Black Sea last week, killing all 78 passengers and crew.
Evhen Marchuk, the chairman of Ukraine's security council, conceded that the plane had probably been brought down by "an accidental hit from an S-200 rocket fired during exercises".
Russian investigators believe a missile exploded near the plane, spraying it with shrapnel. Russian and Israeli scientists found metal pellets in the victims and in the fuselage.
Vladimir Rushailo, the chairman of Russia's security council, said: "The investigation has found that the disaster resulted from a strike by a warhead from an anti-aircraft missile."
Although both Russia and Ukraine were almost certainly aware of the cause from the start, it took eight days for Ukraine to accept responsibility.

Last year four people were killed when a Ukrainian rocket hit a block of flats.

Unbelievable!

A handy guide to mounting coups, assasinations, blackmail and bloodshed, the CIA way:

http://www.infowars.com/corporate-media-scoffs-at-possibility-cia-had-something-to-do-with-downing-mh17/

In the battle for control of the narrative shaping the story on MH17 Newsweek has discounted the possibility the CIA might be involved.

It has insinuated the very idea is preposterous and merely another conspiracy theory contrived by Russian state media and Putin’s buddies Yuri Kovalchuk and Roman Abramovich.

“Just one day after the horrific tragedy that left 298 people dead, Russia’s Channel One ran a package telling its audience that the entire incident was orchestrated by the United States, specifically by the CIA,” CNBC reported earlier this week.

“A document purportedly showing that the U.S. was planning to do the same thing during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis was showing in a full-screen graphic.”


This is a reference to Operation Northwoods. CNBC insists the document is false or some kind of ruse. In fact the proposal by the Pentagon and the CIA to shoot down civilian airliners and blame on Cuba as a pretext to invade that country is real.

CNBC might want to check out the documents declassified by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1997.

It should direct its attention to page ten in this document where the Pentagon suggests it might “create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliners enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela… The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday.”

More at link.

This isn't tinfoil hat stuff, it's government documents. And anyone that thinks their government isn't still pulling the same sh*t needs to wake up and think about something more challenging than reality TV and Kim Kardashian's backside.

 

It's now nearly a week since Russia issued all that data, and what have we heard from Washington? We seen it on Facebook, honest, would I lie to you?

Nothing from NATO, despite their HUGE exercise in the Black Sea. Nothing from GCHQ. No 'pilots' last words' from Kiev - possibly because Kiev security swiped all the tapes from Kiev ATC.

Not a whisper from the very people that spy on the entire PLANET, so what is this telling us? Why, I do believe it's telling us that it was Our Gallant Allies in Kiev that downed the plane, and no-one has thought of a convincing way of lying their way out of it.

It'll never occur to them to simply say, We are very sorry, we fkced up, Kiev did it. We are especially sorry to Nice Mr Putin for insulting him and his country, and OF COURSE eastern Ukraine can join the Russian Federation if it so wishes. We are very very sorry to the families of the victims for telling such a pack of lies. We are very sorry to the entire world for insulting their intelligence by telling such a pack of warmongering lies.

They could never do that......  

I wonder if this is why Obama is giving every impression of having run away? Or maybe it's because of the non-existent border? Or what Our Gallant Allies in Israel are doing to Palestinians? Or the exodus from Libya? Or, well, just about everything he's created?

It will soon be his vacation time so he just has to stretch it out until then when he has a proper excuse?   

If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny. The US has released more photoshopping to 'prove' something:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-27/us-releases-satellite-images-allegedly-proving-russian-shelling-east-ukraine?page=4

As is pointed out, that's not from a government satellite, it's a private weather satellite or something. It's the worst bit of photoshopping I've seen since I last looked at the numties.

Just about every government in the world has satellites trained on that area, but not one of them can produce a photo of something 60 foot long on a 100 foot trailer at the spot they're claiming it was, at the time they are claiming is relevant.

Call me cynical, but I can't help suspecting that that is because it was Kiev that downed the plane and no-one's got the bottle to admit it.

http://news.sky.com/story/1308816/mh17-black-boxes-plane-hit-by-shrapnel

MH17 Black Boxes: Plane 'Hit By Shrapnel'
The doomed airliner suffered catastrophic decompression after being hit by fragments from a missile, says Ukraine.

And how would they know that unless they fired it? The boxes are in the UK, not Kiev.

And why has Kiev been bombing and shelling in the area of the crash?

Why is there still no sign of all this 'evidence' from NATO, Kiev or the US - apart from some woeful photoshopping?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-29/senior-us-intelligence-officers-obama-should-release-ukraine-evidence

A fascinating deconstruction of the nonsense coming from Washington and elsewhere by people who actually DO know what they're talking about.

My friends, this was taken from Sky News:

http://news.sky.com/story/1310785/international-experts-reach-mh17-crash-site

Thanks, Pedro. Unfortunately, reports are coming in that Kiev is shelling the area yet again.

you welcome bb1, I agree with you.

Some interesting thoughts:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/flight-mh17-what-youre-not-being-told

Odd how the cockpit voice recorder info hasn't been released, considering how quickly similar from MH370 was released. Let's hope that's not because the pilot's last words were, Why is that Ukrainian fighter jet so close to us?

And Kiev still hasn't explained why its state security goons seized the ATC records shortly after the crash.