10 KILLED IN PARIS-shot dead UPDATE Fri morning more DEAD in shootout

But where is it coming from, Sabot? From actual French people - or the famed religion of peace?

bb1 wrote:But where is it coming from, Sabot? From actual French people - or the famed religion of peace?

This started some few years ago, Bonny, with cemeteries and grave stones being desecrated by swastikas. So nothing to do with Muslims.

Historically, there were close links between Islam and the Nazis, Sabot, so it could have been either.

There has never been a preponderance of Muslims in Brittany, Bonny, especially not in rural areas, but it was happening here.

I take it Brittany isn't overrun with neo-Nazis either, in which case maybe the culprits were the Usual Suspects - idiot teenagers?

bb1 wrote:I take it Brittany isn't overrun with neo-Nazis either, in which case maybe the culprits were the Usual Suspects - idiot teenagers?

Possibly, which I find equally worrying. Hatred of Jews distresses me, no matter where it comes from. Or hatred of any one for that matter. But having lived with a Jewess for a number of years, I know how afraid she was.

Destruction: Burnt and damaged files are seen in the courtyard of the German regional newspaper Hamburg Morgenpost's editorial office early this morning after an arson attack


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Looks like there's a good bit of damage at the German newspaper, LL?

Wife of Al Qaeda recruiter who mentored the Charlie Hebdo murderers is appealing against her own terror conviction on human rights grounds while living on UK benefits
Sylvie Beghal lives in a taxpayer-funded four-bedroom home in Leicester
Her husband Djamel mentored two of the gunmen who terrorised France
He recruited Cherif Kouachi when they were in prison together
Kouachi and his brother were responsible for the Charlie Hebdo massacre
Djamel Beghal also mentored the gunman killed at Paris supermarket siege
Mrs Beghal is seeking to overturn her conviction for refusing to co-operate with British police who were investigating her husband


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*sigh*

On Autrian TV a commentator said the terrorists are now using their wives/daughters/ girlfriends to contact each other as the security forces seem only to be targeting the men. LL

Ah, that would make sense, LL. And hard-line Islam doesn't exactly encourage women to think for themselves...

Unbelievable. I guess the people being terrorized have no human rights then?

All Jews historically are citizens of Israel, in theory, with a right of domicile.

Ah, thanks, Lily, I didn't know that. So, why is no-one condemning Israel for not wishing to be 'multi-cultural'?

Good question but they do not, typically, care to be pushed around.

lily wrote:Good question but they do not, typically, care to be pushed around.

Perhaps Israel has found the answer.

I believe so, Sabot.

Thing is, I wonder what has to happen for Western leaders to admit that the imposition of 'multi-culturalism' on the populace has been a disaster? Because this debate is NEVER about all the Chinese, or Hindus, or Poles, or any other race, religion or ethnic group that has moved to the West and simply got on with their lives.

It's ALWAYS about Islam, and that, IMO, is because Islam is a belief system that simply is not compatible with ideas and philosophy cherished in the West since the Enlightenment. It certainly isn't compatible with democracy, but look at the uproar if anyone in the public eye dares say so.

And if anyone in the West thinks attacks by jihadists are going to stop because people have been marching around singing the Marseillaise and being strong, they are deluding themselves. It's just a matter of time till the next one, possibly after the next edition of Charlie sells a million copies.

Or the next bunch of crazies decides someone has said or done something to offend them.

The only good thing to be said is that as far as terror attacks go, this one has failed dismally. They killed a lot of innocent people, but they haven't terrorised anyone, just made them angry.

This is true, Bonny. But how many of them will actually be prepared to go down in a hail of bullets? The Mrs. Terrorist has taken to the hills. That's how brave she is.

I stand to be corrected, Sabot, but did she not leave for Syria before the killings? What that signifies, I won't pretend to know, but as she was photographed merrily posing around at the jihadist training camp in southern France:



The crossbow terror girl on the run: Hayat Boumeddiene, wife of the jihadi in Paris deli siege, posing with a lethal weapon in Murat, central France, in 2010

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I doubt if she's running out of fear. She could walk back into France tomorrow, and minus the black wrappings, with dyed hair, who would recognise her?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/islamic-scholar-threatens-irish-publications-with-legal-action-if-they-publish-offending-cartoon-30891821.html

Islamic scholar threatens Irish publications with legal action if they publish offending cartoon

A senior Islamic cleric in Ireland has issued a warning against reproducing Charlie Hebdo's front page depiction of the Prophet Muhammad, after the massacre of journalists and police at the magazine's offices.

Dr Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland threatened legal action against Irish journalists who post pictures of the page to their Twitter accounts and warned media not to reproduce it. The page contained a picture of Muhammad kissing another man, with the line "love is stronger than hate".

Speaking to Niall Boylan on Classic Hits 4FM, Dr Selim said that posting the picture would not put the presenter's life in danger, but he would pursue legal action.

"No, your life will not be in danger, but definitely we will check the Irish law, if there is any legal channel against you, we'll take it," the Islamic scholar said. He added that the message that love is stronger than hate was acceptable but not if it was accompanied by a cartoon of the prophet. Speaking to the Herald after the interview, Dr Selim reiterated his position. "This [The image] is offensive," he said.

He described the Paris incident as an atrocity and insisted that he believed in freedom of expression and speech. However, he said that the image was offensive to equality.


Nice of him to reassure Irish people that they won't be killed if they show this cartoon:



He'll just make their lives a misery through the courts.

This is odd, Lily, there doesn't appear to be anyone representing the US at that march.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/11/holder-is-top-administration-official-in-paris-for-terror-talks-not-seen-in/

Attorney General Eric Holder is in Paris this week to attend a meeting on fighting terrorism, but did not participate in a march with world leaders Sunday to honor the 17 people killed last week in France.

More than 40 world leaders marched arm in arm through Paris to rally for unity and freedom of expression and to honor the victims of the three days of terrorist attacks.

The leaders headed a demonstration of at least tens of thousands of people who converged on the capital after three gunmen last week attacked a newspaper office, kosher supermarket and police.

Among the world leaders attending the event, under extremely tight security, are French President Francois Hollande, British Prime Minister David Cameron, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Holder is the top Obama administration official to attend the terrorism meeting. There are no known reports of members of Congress attending the event or the meeting.

Though it's a blessing Holder didn't go.

Speaking from Paris, Holder said in a series of interviews with the Sunday morning news shows in Washington that investigators at this point don't have "any credible information" to determine which terrorist group was responsible for the attacks in Paris.

Presumably, the killers stating they were from Yemen Al Quaeda doesn't count? Bizarre.

there doesn't appear to be anyone representing the US at that march.

 I notice someone else missing and no-one representing him either.  Our PM, I am pleased to say, was in attendance.    LL
ETA I erred, I suppose Lavrov was better than no-one.

Why didn't the US send anyone? It's most bizarre, and rather shocking. Lavrov represented Russia:

http://www.infowars.com/700000-rally-across-france-in-wake-of-terror-attacks-hostage-crises/


Numerous European leaders have decided to join the rally on Sunday, among them UK Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker and European President Donald Tusk, as well as Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov.

http://rt.com/news/221587-paris-world-march-leaders/

The world leaders, among them German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, passed in silence through one of the main streets in Paris. The march began at Place de la Republiqueand headed towards Place de la Nation, approximately two miles away.

His opposite number, Kerry, really should have represented the US on an occasion like this.

Our guy didn't call it a terrorist attack after it happened but an act of violence!

There is NO danger, IMO, of Obama ever uttering two words.

ISLAMIC TERRORIST.