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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:17 pm

Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve has outlined extraordinary security measures to protect VIPs such as British Prime Minister David Cameron, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy.

At many moments, the gathering looked like a funeral. Merkel was photographed lying her head gently on Hollande's shoulder.

Other leaders included Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Jordan's King Abdullah II and Queen Rania, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Several people in the crowd and on social media wondered why U.S. President Barack Obama was apparently not at the rally. Secretary of State John Kerry was not there either.

A senior State Department official told CNN that Kerry had committed a long time ago to be the lead speaker at Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's entrepreneurship and innovation summit in India. The official said that Kerry did not want to cancel that as he continues to wok on the United States' relationship with the nation. Ambassador to France Jane Hartley represented the United States at the rally.


No-one from the US government proper. Even Biden would have done - someone. And I still don't know why Holder was dispatched to Paris, unless he wanted to make sure the terrorists' Human Rights weren't infringed.
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:21 pm

The National Front leader, Marine LePen, was denied the right to join the leaders; it was suggested she join the walk as a private citizen. She threw a big hissy fit and joined in a walk in the NF heartland. No comment. LL
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Post  lily Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:22 pm

They don't fool everyone though.......
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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 6:10 pm

IMO, it sends out a terrible message that there was no-one from the Obama adminstration there, Lily. I really cannot think of a good reason. Was it political? Were they actually scared?

Marching through Paris singing the Marseillais with other world leaders, at the head of hundreds of thousands of people, for such a cause, is an event every other US president I can think of would have been at without even thinking.

So where was Obama?
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Post  Lamplighter Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:27 pm

My brother was Muslim and he was killed by two terrorists, by two false Muslims,” he said. “Islam is a religion of peace and love. As far as my brother’s death is concerned it was a waste. He was very proud of the name Ahmed Merabet, proud to represent the police and of defending the values of the Republic – liberty, equality, fraternity.”

Malek reminded France that the country faced a battle against extremism, not against its Muslim citizens. “I address myself now to all the racists, Islamophobes and antisemites. One must not confuse extremists with Muslims. Mad people have neither colour or religion,” he said.

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As news spread that the gunned down policeman was a Muslim, the hashtag #JeSuisAhmed began spreading on Twitter in solidarity. One user, identified as @Aboujahjah, said: “I am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so.”
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Post  lily Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:53 pm

Bonny, I really don't know what to say. Utterly speechless here.....
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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:45 pm

Maybe more moderate moslems are going to have to claim back their religion, LL? And I am fed up of hearing that Islam is the 'religion of peace'. NO religion is that, except perhaps Buddhists, and some sect of Islam in Asia has even managed to provoke them into violence.

Nations and their armies throughout history have reassured themselves that their god is on their side as they slaughter people that don't agree with them; Moslems are no exception, and neither are Christians or Zionists.

I don't know, maybe it's actually the Abrahamic religions that are the problem?

One thing the West can do to help - stop pouring petrol on the fire in the Middle East. Stop overthrowing secular Middle East regimes. And especially stop this nonsense about Iran and Syria, they have been fighting crazies PAID FOR AND TRAINED BY THE WEST for years now.

There was NO Al Quaeda in Iraq until Saddam was overthrown - that's worked out well, hasn't it? Even Libya was better off under Gaddafi. I was personally sickened to discover just how many of those 'spontaneous demonstrations' by 'freedom loving Libyans' were actually choreographed by Langley. As usual.

Egypt had a lucky escape; their people, and a strong army, managed to throw out the US-backed Muslim Brotherhood before their country was completely wrecked.

All of which comes back to Obama. Is it any wonder that people wonder just who and what he really is? I can see by reading round opinion and comments that he really has done it this time by disrespecting France and the wider free world, and the victims of the jihadists.

Given his track record, it is of course always possible that he was too upset to show face, or send a suitable person to represent America, because his 'brothers' ended up dead courtesy of the French police.
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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:25 pm

London's tribute was very touching:

http://news.sky.com/story/1405985/thousands-around-world-show-unity-with-paris

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The colours of the French flag - the Tricolore - were displayed on several landmarks in the capital including the National Gallery, Tower Bridge and the London Eye.


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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:34 pm

America snubs historic Paris rally: Holder skipped out of proceedings early, Kerry was in India, Obama and Biden just stayed home
German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and David Cameron were among the leaders at the march today
Neither President Obama or Vice President Joe Biden attended the historic event, though both of their schedules were open
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder was in Paris for a terrorism summit, but was not seen at the march which followed
The only U.S. representative at the march was Ambassador Jane Hartley



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Obama has, IMO, sent out an absolutely dreadful message to America's oldest ally and the world in general.
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Post  lily Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:53 pm

He most certainly has.
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Post  Sabot Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:55 pm

Is Obama a Muslim?
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Post  bb1 Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:08 pm

Many think so, Sabot, and I'm one of them. All his family on his father's side are, and if you can face reading about his peculiar upbringing, it was heavily influenced by a toxic mix of Marxism and Islam, and it makes perfect sense of his many bizarre actions, decisions and statements.
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Post  Sabot Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:14 pm

Well, he won't win another election. That's for sure.
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Post  lily Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:18 pm

He can't run anyway, Sabot.
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Post  Sabot Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:33 pm

lily wrote:He can't run anyway, Sabot.

He didn't get elected the second time, did he? If he did them America is in a worse state than I thought.
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Post  lily Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:01 am

He did, actually, Sabot but how correct it was, can't say. Heard that many people voted for the other party but it got credited to O.

A person can only be President for two terms.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:03 am

And getting 110% of the vote in some areas with electronic voting helped as well.
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Post  Sabot Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:07 am

Sadly, his slight to France today will reflect on all Americans. And won't be forgotten. But I doubt it will be him who suffers in any other terrorist attack.
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Post  lily Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:16 am

I think that is really sad, Sabot.
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Post  Lamplighter Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:01 am

Two French nationals attempted to cross Hungary to reach IS
By MTI

In December two French male youths attempted to cross Hungary with the intention of reaching the Middle East in order to join the Islamic State, the head of Hungary counter-terrorism centre (TEK) told commercial broadcaster TV2 on Thursday.

Janos Hajdu said that the centre had received information about the French nationals, and on this basis they were detained at the Hungarian-Serbian border crossing of Kelebia and handed over to the French authorities. He added that this had not been an isolated or single case.

Hajdu said he did not know of any Hungarian national with a similar aim as the Frenchmen.

Last November a young Dutch female was stopped attempting to join the IS at the same border crossing.
Orbán presses for new means of defense for Europe
By MTI

Prime Minister Viktor Orban called for a new policy, pointing out the need in Europe for new means of defense and stabilisation to prevent upheavals and movements that threaten security, in a declaration issued on Sunday.

The declaration was sent to MTI by Bertalan Havasi, Orban’s press chief, before a Hungarian delegation left for Paris, to commemorate the victims of the terrorist attacks there. The delegation included Justice Minister Laszlo Trocsanyi and the head of Hungary’s Counter-Terrorism Centre Janos Hajdu.

Expressing his sympathy, Orban said the advance of terrorism in Europe is a reality today, and one that is growing day by day. European people are under attack, as well as their freedom and way of life; all of this threatens the security of our everyday life, he said. We cannot allow ourselves to fail to look the matter in the eye, he added.

Europe must be able to protect itself, Orban said. Political correctness no longer offers protection against savage barbarism, he added.

Hungary has committed itself to protecting European values and will play its part, on its own strength, in this struggle of vital importance, Orban said. It has come to light that the current European policy is incapable of protecting European people, he added.

Thus a new policy is required, Europe needs new means of defense and stabilisation to prevent upheavals and movement that threaten security, he said.

“We Hungarians are prepared to cooperate with any such European political force that proposes a solution and wants to fight against these new threats,” Orban said.

Orban is joining other heads of government and state at an anti-terror rally in Paris on Sunday involving more than one million people. In addition to commemorating the victims of the attack on the satirical paper Charlie Hebdo, the participants aim to stand up for freedom and democracy, and against terrorism.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:43 am

Good for him.


Europe must be able to protect itself, Orban said. Political correctness no longer offers protection against savage barbarism, he added.


He is exactly right.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:10 am

Unlike this pundit:

http://news.sky.com/story/1406128/pundit-sorry-for-saying-birmingham-is-100-percent-muslim

Pundit Sorry For Saying Birmingham Is 100% Muslim
A TV news commentator apologises after claiming during an on-air interview that non-Muslims "simply don't go" to Birmingham.

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A US national-security commentator has apologised after claiming Birmingham is a "no-go" area for non-Muslims.

Steven Emerson, an author and award-winning documentary maker, claimed non-Muslims "simply don't go" into the city during an on-air discussion about last week's terror attacks in France.

peaking on Fox News he said: "There are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim, where non-Muslims just simply don't go in."

"These no-go zones exist not only in France, but they exist throughout Europe... they're sort of safe havens and they're places where the governments like France, Britain, Sweden, Germany don't exercise any sovereignty.

"And parts of London - there are actually Muslim religious police who beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn't dress according to Muslim religious attire."

Mr Emerson appeared to refer to a group called Muslim Patrol which was investigated by police in 2013 after videos emerged of a street gang abusing and intimidating a man using homophobic language.

He retracted his comments after they drew immediate criticism on social-media, admitting he had made "a terrible error for which I am deeply sorry".


More at link.

Now, I quite like Fox for some things, like US politics, but they do come out with some howlers about events outside the US.

I was watching Fox's coverage of the thawing relations with Cuba a few weeks ago, when some airhead female announced that Cubans would be grateful for US input into their economy, and that poor Cubans would be able to get good healthcare....

She didn't appear to know that Cuba is streets ahead of the US in healthcare - and education. Even if it doesn't have a McDonalds on every corner.
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Post  bb1 Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:20 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charlie-hebdo-paris-attack-brothers-campaign-of-terror-can-be-traced-back-to-algeria-in-1954-9969184.html

ROBERT FISK

Friday 9 January 2015
Charlie Hebdo: Paris attack brothers' campaign of terror can be traced back to Algeria in 1954
Algeria is the post-colonial wound that still bleeds in France


That's a good piece about the background to much of this.
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