Re: Referendum aftermath

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:44 am

It's not over until the fat lady sings. But whatever happens, things will never be the same again.

Me, I'm still hoping. But I expect you are as well, Bonny. And I have rediscovered Hope.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:47 am

These votes are less than 2% of the electorate, Sabot, and rural. Orkney's at least improved on the 1979 referendum - the one where it was rigged so dead people voted:

1979 Vote Orkney% Y27.89 N72.11

2014 Vote Orkney% Y32.6 N67.4

**lily** Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:49 am

Hoping beyond hope that the Yes votes win.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:58 am

Bill Murray ‏@BMurrayWriter 2 mins
Smart UK people please help me, if it's a comprehensive defeat, what is SNP's future? What happens next? #indyref #scotlanddecides #scotland

1. Westminster tears up its Vows.

2. Westminster turns the screws on Scotland; goes to war with Syria; announces huge oil find and laughs at the numties that fell for it again.

3. SNP and other independence parties get stronger in upcoming elections.

4. All Hell breaks loose.

5. We do all this again in a few years.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:03 am

Tom [PositiveLad] ‏@PositiveLad 39 secs
EILEAN SIAR: YES: 9,195 NO: 10,544 - NO HAS IT.

47-53%.

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:06 am

Is there any chance that Westminster will realise that it would all happen again, Bonny?

You can't knock hope out of people once they have found it.

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:07 am

bb1 wrote:Tom [PositiveLad] ‏@PositiveLad 39 secs
EILEAN SIAR: YES: 9,195 NO: 10,544 - NO HAS IT.

47-53%.

Fick.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:08 am

Calgacus says:
19 September, 2014 at 2:58 am
This is a fix, right from the start, before a single vote was counted the narrative was for a no victory. Rigged, disgusting. Vile Unionists lying troughers. No cooperation. They are unforgivable. They are to be shunned utterly.

Skip_NC says:
19 September, 2014 at 2:58 am
STV are saying No is likely to have won in Angus. What on earth is going on?

That's absolutely crazy. I find that extremely hard to believe. It's like Obama losing Chicago....

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:10 am

You're making the mistake of thinking Westminster care, Sabot. They don't - they have blatantly lied to the Scottish electorate, and right now, it's looking as if too many of the damned fools have learned nothing and believed it.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:12 am

Ed Stradling ‏@edstradling 51 secs
"Almost half the country is not happy staying as part of ENGLAND" says Kay Burley. And that's why, Kay. #indyref

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:13 am

No, I don't think Westminster care, Bonny. But they should be afraid. Even if only by the turnout.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:22 am

Oh Lord, Lord David Steele is pontificating about 'healing divisions' now. I think you can forget that one, chum. The roughly half of the nation that stuck to its principles isn't going to want to 'heal' with the other half that's let us in for years of utter Hell.

He's another one I thought was dead, so maybe I shouldn't expect too much sense from him...

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:24 am

Craig Lynn ‏@craigilynn 1 min
Hear that sound? That's UKIP, the Tories & Labour straining at the leash to stripmine Scotland, economically & socially #indyref

Yup.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:27 am

Durkit ‏@Durkit 1 min
#indyref mp's on BBC saying that the devomax and what we get depends on how much clout the yes vote has. So more no = less devo. Scum

The turkeys have voted for an early Christmas.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:33 am

William Gillies ‏@williamrgillies 44 secs
BBC has American spokesperson on for US opinion on #indyref and he just goes on about how a split would impact US bombing campaigns.

Told you so.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:36 am

Inverclyde: Yes 27,243, No 27,329.

No by 100 votes. Rolling Eyes

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:38 am

bb1 wrote:Oh Lord, Lord David Steele is pontificating about 'healing divisions' now. I think you can forget that one, chum. The roughly half of the nation that stuck to its principles isn't going to want to 'heal' with the other half that's let us in for years of utter Hell.

He's another one I thought was dead, so maybe I shouldn't expect too much sense from him...

Wasn't he a failed Democrat, or something? Along with that Doctor Something, whose name I can't remember now.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:46 am

He was a LibDem, there was a big scandal as he had an affair with the wife of Menzies Campbell, the other LibDem grandee. There's only about three degrees of separation in Scotland....

Some woman or other has just said people didn't vote YES because they were frightened - they were frightened of the wrong side, frankly. As they will find out.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:49 am

Midnight Gibson ‏@MidnightGibson 3 mins
I expect to see no voters at asda collecting donations for food banks as you've just condemned thier patrons to a life of the same #indyref

They sure have, they've killed the little hope thousands of people had for the first time ever. Because they were scared. Never mind, Cameron will be able to tell Obama it's OK to start bombing Syria, the stupid Jocks fell for it again.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:52 am

I am ashamed to call myself Scottish. Never thought I’d say that but I am.

We are going out with a wee whimper.. pathetic.

Westminster will screw us into the ground now.. until our oil runs out.. then they will disregard us anyway. No point in independence then.

Press and the BBC have screwed us as well.. especially the bloody BBC.

What a message we are sending out to the world.. a joke!!

I still don’t believe it’s all been above board either.

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am truly sorry for the SNP, Alex and Nicola who worked themselves stupid for this country, and all the Yes movement, but I have had it with people that side with Westminster, choose to ignore the cesspit, and see their own swimming in it. A lot of will weep for Scotland tonight. I wondered why Glasgow was 75% turnout, and now I know from the comment above – fekcing football – says it all.

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I’m as bitterly disappointed as the rest of you. Possibly more so – I’m on long term disability and in Austerity Britain my personal outlook is deeply bleak.

But we keep fighting. When WM reneges on the Pledge – and it will – then all the NOs who voted out of fear will realise their error. If we lose this 40-60 then that is a sufficiently significant proportion to demand another referendum in the near rather than far future.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:54 am

I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT DUNDEE HAS VOTED YES, SCOTLAND CAN BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:56 am

RENFREWSHIRE: Yes 55,466; No 62,067.

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:57 am

DUNDEE RESULT:
YES 53,620, 57%
no 39,880, 43%

**bb1** Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:02 am

Votes so far: YES 172,426 vs NO 178,811 - just over 5k votes in it.

There are still about four million votes to go, but I think they'll be declaring without me.....

**Sabot** Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:04 am

There you go. The tide has turned. I really, really believe this.

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