STATEMENT FROM 'PROFILER' PAT BROWN

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:

bb1 wrote:What a load of sh*t B$own talks.

Jeffrey Dahmer over six feet tall

Ted Bundy six feet tall

Dennis Rader six foot tall

John Wayne Gacy fat pig 5' 10

John Allen Muhammad Beltway sniper over six feet tall

No...... Never......... She's wrong AGAIN?

bb1 wrote:Have you heard her voice, sans? It actually hurt my ears when I was trying to listen to one of her performances

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:

sans_souci wrote:Please miss, Sabot is being slutty smutty rude.

Miss, Miss, porn reported

It's not like her at all......... She's normally so saintly.

crazytony wrote:

lily wrote:

crazytony wrote:

bb1 wrote:What a load of sh*t B$own talks.

Jeffrey Dahmer over six feet tall

Ted Bundy six feet tall

Dennis Rader six foot tall

John Wayne Gacy fat pig 5' 10

John Allen Muhammad Beltway sniper over six feet tall

No...... Never......... She's wrong AGAIN?

One day she will surprise us and get something correct......hopefully this century.

bb1 wrote:"Since there are only so many ways to kill a person, a good portion of homicides look pretty much alike."

What an absolutely ridiculous statement - and what an insult to LE.

No wonder she is so detested by genuine profilers, etc.

"The one noticeable similarity with almost all serial killer victims is their short height and low weight."

greenink211 wrote:

"The one noticeable similarity with almost all serial killer victims is their short height and low weight."

Not defending her at all as she's probably still wrong. But didn't she mean the victims were short and low weight?

bb1 wrote:

greenink211 wrote:

"The one noticeable similarity with almost all serial killer victims is their short height and low weight."

Not defending her at all as she's probably still wrong. But didn't she mean the victims were short and low weight?

I didn't notice that bit, I was too stunned by her sweeping generalizations about serial killers - she sounds as if she got her 'training' from the National Enquirer.

Not a valid opinion
Posted by Amy

Two days ago I read, along with a lot of women I talk to, the AOL article about Shaquan Duley. I read Her Bad Mother’s reaction and I read the open letter to a so-called expert on Pretty Babies.

I’ve let it sit for two days that this women, a criminal profiler that should never have been portrayed as an expert on this case or on Post-Partum Depression or Post-Partum Psychosis, declared that my problems are not chemical, unless I’m one of those “rare cases.”

I’ve let it sit, but I still can’t help but take it personally. I don’t think there’s any way to not take it personally since I’ve been dealing with depression for 13 years of my life, I’ve been suicidal on more than one occasion, and apparently, according to this criminal profiler who has no experience working with women affected by PPD, I just need to suck it up and stop feeling sorry for myself.

What I can tell Ms. Pat Brown is that when I was in the depths of my depression I wasn’t feeling sorry for myself, I was feeling sorry for everyone around me. When I was suicidal it was because those around me didn’t deserve the burden. When I was in the depths of post-partum depression, I felt that my daughter would be much better off with Joe’s memory of me.

I didn’t ever have feelings of wanting to harm her. It was the first question my caretakers asked and the thing I paid the most attention to. Hurting her never entered my mind because, as I told my doctor through tears, I knew that she was not the problem, I was the problem, and I didn’t want her to inherit my problems by watching me. I specifically didn’t want her to suffer, but I did have anxiety.

Every time we left the house together I felt as though I was going to do something that would cause some sort of accident. I might trip while I was carrying her, or lose the stroller, or forget to check my blind spot, and then she would get hurt. In that way I felt as though I was a danger to her.

I worked with two midwives and a licensed doctor who all agreed that I was suffering from PPD and needed to be monitored and medicated. I was actually lucky to have been suffering from depression for that long because I know my own signs. I see the appetite changes, the mood swings, the sleep problems, the voice in my head that starts to point out my mistakes and all the ways I’m not quite good enough. I warned everyone that I was at risk for PPD and I told them what I was feeling.

I say lucky because another woman might not have known her signs, might not have had the clarity, that soon after giving birth to tell someone what she was feeling. Lucky because I can’t be embarrassed about it anymore. My depression is part of me and any stigma just floats away.

If one other woman who is suffering finds me and recognizes herself, I’ve done some good. If a woman sees Pat Brown’s comments and takes them to heart, something very, very bad could result.

If you don’t get help, you’re not going to get better, and this woman who decided she had the right to speak about something she knows nothing about, has the ability, because of the way she was represented in that article, to get into women’s heads and make them think they don’t need help because they’re just fundamentally flawed – And that will send them further into the darkness.

sans_souci wrote:Surely you are not suggesting that there is something in which Ms Brown is not an expert, are you? Watch out - she is "lawyered up" and will take legal action against you for Libel and tortious interference with business.

Ridiculous bint.

http://charminglychandler.com/2010/08/dear-pat-brown-w-her-response/

Dear Pat Brown, (w/ her response)
AUGUST 18, 2010 ·

I wrote Pat Brown. I wasn’t planning on telling you all what I said because it was a personal e-mail. But she responded, and I do want to tell you what she said, which means you need to know what I said.

ETA: I forgot to include what I was responding to as if you all would just know. This is the statement made by Pat Brown as she posed as an “expert” in this AOL News article (her comments were removed from the article, however with all things on the internet nothing is gone for good and her comments still are out there).

”Most women who suffer depression after their children are born are suffering from post-how-did-I-get-stuck-with-this-kid, this body, this life? They may be depressed, but it is their situation and their psychopathic personality that brings them to kill their children, and not some chemical malfunction.”

Here is her contact information. Maybe if she hears the voices of those who have experienced depression (PPD and others) she will be able to educate her self with the words of experience. And maybe she’ll realize how irresponsible her comments are.

Dear Pat Brown,

Are you a doctor? Are you a psychologist? Or are you only a criminal profiler who has absolutely no business making comments as vile as the ones you made to AOL News about PPD? As someone who is coming out on the other side of PPD I can assure you that I never once thought “how-did-I-get-stuck-with-

this-kid, this body, this life”. I loved my child more than I have words to explain to you. But the darkness, the fog, the anxiety…you couldn’t possibly understand the torture. Of loving someone so much and being so afraid of your thoughts. It’s a scary, horrible place. Made lonely by ignorant comment such as yours. People hide the pain, the hurt, and the darkness from the people who care about them because of comments and views that spew from ignorant people such as yourself. How dare you presume to know what the reason for PPD is? How dare you begin to trivialize it with just not wanting “this kid, this body, this life”? It’s so disgusting that I’m having trouble even articulating how much your comments angered me. You are doing a major disgrace to thousands of women suffering, many of those in silence. You are putting the tape over their mouth and pushing them to keep quiet instead of getting help. In one comment you are setting back progress that many sufferers have worked hard to make. The work and the pain that has been done to slash the stigma that women like you put in place. It’s so disappointing that a woman would do that to something so many other women suffer from.
It’s disrespectful, and truthfully I really hope that you see how harmful your comments were. To those that are suffering in silence from a real illness. From a sickness they didn’t ask for. From thoughts that are stealing precious moments with their children. PPD robs a mother of her confidence, it robs her of experiencing joys of motherhood, it robs her of joys that she should be able to share with her children. It’s not as simple as an attitude towards your life, it’s something deeper. It’s more. And you are pathetic for turning it into something so trivial and small. I think you owe women a public apology. I think you owe the families of those suffering an apology for making what they have all gone through so trivial.

I don’t know if you can really make this right. Your comments are out there, no matter that AOL News removed the comments. You have already done damage and I hope you take action to even start to correct the problem. And in the future I hope you think twice about making such ignorant comments about a subject you are truthfully not that educated about. You are not an expert on PPD and I can only help that those suffering in silence, the ones that did read your words, realize that and disregard what you’ve said.

Alena

The reply from Pat Brown:

I never said depression doesn’t exist and that women don’t need help for it. The depression after birth, however, like all depression, is based in reality and personality, not chemical issues. We as a society needs to stop blaming chemicals in our brains and start looking for answers in reasonable life expectations, support from family and community, and lifestyle. Psychotherapy is a good idea to deal with true life issues and our handling of them.

Pat Brown

I am not pleased with her response, I am actually upset that she still doesn’t get it. That it IS chemical, maybe not for everyone who suffers from PPD, but there’s a chemical element. Or there wouldn’t be medication given to women suffering from PPD. But it is clear she isn’t an expert in psychology or in abnormal psychology and I hope that people recognize that. She obviously has never experienced what PPD feels like to see how harmful her attitude and words are. Words are a tool, a pen is sharper than a sword. Her words aren’t helping women suffering from PPD. It’s not helping spread factual information about it. It’s just further making women who are suffering feeling like they are failing their family. It’s making women feel bad about something they are going through…and it’s sad that a woman is doing that to another woman.

ETA: I have written her back:

Pat,
How have you come to the conclusion that PPD (as well as other depressions) isn’t chemical? Obviously you don’t have a doctorate on the subject, so we’re both at least on the same page that you are not an expert on psychological disorders. But, since you’ve put your thoughts out there as facts I’d really like to know how you came to this conclusion. Considering things like hormones, are in fact a chemical. I am obviously not a doctor either, but since I’ve actually experienced PPD. I’ve seen a medical doctor as well as a therapist, both of whom I’m positive would disagree with your stance. As well as the women that are discussing your comments all over the internet today. I’m sure if you Google yourself and your comments you’ll see a wide array of women that don’t agree with you and your irresponsible comments.

So Ms. Pat Brown, how have you come to the decision that PPD isn’t chemical?