More propaganda from the Generalissima (merged)

He was a professor at 22 and then joined the PJ? That makes no sense whatsoever?

bb1 wrote:He was a professor at 22 and then joined the PJ? That makes no sense whatsoever?

I know

Professor can mean Teacher in some languages. It does in France.

Sabot wrote:
Professor can mean Teacher in some languages. It does in France.

That could explain it.
What age do they go to college at in Portugal?

Just trying to catch up having had a day more or less in the sun today.

Why do I always have the feeling that Joana Morais is not actually trying to be helpful?

Why do I always feel that she is simply preaching to the English?

Well this blog of hers today helps me understand my feelings.

She never seems to post the Portuguese transcript which surely would be useful if she was posting for everybody including Portuguese readers. Of course it would be easier for people to check it against the spoken word then and check her translations by Google.

And she never does the simple thing of giving a timing when the transcript relates only to a part of the video.

Can anyone tell me where this bit she has posted fits with the video (a time)? It would be good to try to follow it and watch their expressions even without understanding. Aren't we always being told how important body language is?

All I can see is this:

Transcript and translation of that segment from 31:28 to 45:25 follows, with added screenshots of the twitter comments.

Video
to be posted soon, full video at link bellow

if that is any help?

Link:

http://tv1.rtp.pt/programas-rtp/index.php?p_id=28165&c_id=7&dif=tv&idpod=73836

But if I have read correctly then at 31.28 the transcript begins with a short statement from the female presenter. The problem is I don't see that happening in the video at 31.28. Perhaps its late and I am missing something.

greenink211 wrote:But if I have read correctly then at 31.28 the transcript begins with a short statement from the female presenter. The problem is I don't see that happening in the video at 31.28. Perhaps its late and I am missing something.

At 31:28 she starts talking about Madeieine and Scotland Yard.

http://tv1.rtp.pt/programas-rtp/index.php?p_id=28165&c_id=7&dif=tv&idpod=73836

Oh my, Morais has gone onto MM in full screech because someone there has dared to criticise her:

Re: Blind Justice Case Review.
xklamation Today at 9:45 am

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
Sorry but there seems to be a lot of negative stuff about of late, some from Joanas blog (not blaming her though!) she obvisouly is given this info to put out, but I have to ask why if its a done deal, would SY be out there, and why would the PJ be involved if at the end of the day there is no further evidence and all is to be covered up come what may.....imo somebody is trying to slow things down a little, maybe try and turn the tables...WHY??

If all is so cut and dry, why do we have 5 years down the line Mr Amaral still fighting and more confident then ever that the case is to be re-opened????

I for one is very scepticle and down hearted of this case at the moment, but I have to ask myself is it because the person/s putting out the negativity is doing a very good job at the mo??

What do you mean by "is given"? No one gives me anything. The press, videos are out in the public domain. I translate them so people who can't read nor have any knowledge of Portuguese are able to get the knowledge of that information. That's all. There isn't anyone ordering me to make translations or transcripts that take hours and cost me white hairs, cigarettes and loads of coffee Just to make clear one issue - I would never accept any money on this case, unlike some PR's and lawyers, I'm not in this for profit or for publicity. And by the way, I never said SY's review was a whitewash, what I said is that it is meaningless if the process isn't re-opened by the Portuguese Public Ministry. That, unfortunately and so far seems to be the case. Thus the idea of getting the 2010 petition working again in order to create some public pressure close and directly to the PT authorities and politicians. I understand your despondency but we can't give up. We've been further away from our common goal in the past four, almost five years. Cheer up!

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Oh, so there is a 'common goal' now, is there? I am sure that will be well-noted.

And what is that goal? To carry on stitching up the McCanns and save Gonc's ar@e?

Makes you wonder just what Morais' true agenda is, that she is actively meddling in police matters and working against Madeleine McCann's interests.

And another one:

: Blind Justice Case Review.
xklamation Today at 10:28 am

Good morning Panda,

The investigation was conducted by Portimão's PJ, headed by Guilhermino Encarnação, coordinated by Gonçalo Amaral. The second part of that investigation was coordinated by Paulo Rebelo, and lead to the archival. The head of that second part was probably the directorate of the PJ in Lisbon. If it is significant that a team in Oporto has been given the task of reviewing a case they never dealt with in situ, nor faced the many obstacles placed by the lack of cooperation of witnesses, arguidos and H.O. in the UK, nor faced a 5 year long denigration and attempt of character assassination in the UK media? It must have a certain significance, about the same significance of a Scotland Yard team reviewing a case where another Scotland Yard team worked before. Let's see if something comes out of this "reassessment" and "partnership", everything up to that moment are just speculations. I do hope this bilateral "review" and its conclusions - which might be pretty similar to what previous teams concluded, i.e. the need to do a reconstruction with witnesses and former arguidos, etc. - do result in a re-opening of the process, and subsequently of a real investigation. Have a good day xx

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How she has the nerve to moan about 'character assassination' I do not know, with the whoppers she tells.

Those rants rather suggest to me that she is trying to clamp down on discussion on MM now - she really is getting rattled.

I'm going with Lilyofthevalley's version of Morais being given stuff.

She has translated more of the TV programme:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/blind-justice-maddie-case-review-is.html

and I am sure everyone will be pleased to know that Flores is now shovelling the dirt over Gonc's head, having dug a nice, big hole for his friend:

AMF: Has that prevented the gathering of important evidence in the first hours?

FMF: That, in the first few hours, allowed for that place to become the biggest media circus in the world and for that place to be atypical regarding what is expected in a crime scene, as we know. Isolated, centred on the criminal investigation, searching for vestiges, searching for evidence, with conversations - I wouldn't say questionings - but interviews to all those who had access to that house, and methodical interviews without fear, without previous restrictions, without police being called [reprimanded], without that huge spectacle that transformed that case in the case of a definite abduction! Listen, I don't know if the girl...

AMF: Who was the responsible for that situation?

FMF: All those who intervened there. Starting with the director of the Judiciary Police of Faro [Guilhermino da Encarnação], or of the sub-director, by the man who sent orders to the site stating that certain people could not be talked with nor bothered.

AMF: What orders were those?

FMF: Orders to shield interests, because the “English parents are on holidays”!

AMF: The parents couldn't be talked with?!

FMF: “The friends are on holidays”, on holidays! It's “unthinkable”. A crime against a child is indeed something unthinkable, it's so abnormal that anything normal or not must be questioned. Specifically, that must be questioned at the site where this mystery is confined. The mystery is there, enclosed.

AMF: Was there a loss of important testimonials during those first hours?

FMF: Yes, important vestiges were lost, everything was lost due to the media, because what mattered was to transform that crime in a large scale English newscast [SkyNews, BBC, were doing 24 hours coverage and live broadcasts since the very night of Madeleine's disappearance, allegedly called by Tapas 9 members or by their families], and then the TV channels...

AMP: Moita Flores, the Judiciary Police wasn't working for the English news channels.

FMF: No, of course not. The Judiciary Police arrived on site 50 minutes later [GNR officers were already there], during those fifty minutes a situation unfolded and was inducted, where a panoply of alarms surrounding this issue were raised. And when the Judiciary Police arrived dozens of people had already been there [at the crime scene].

AMP: The Judiciary Police is not prepared to deal with that kind of reality [the media circus].


FMF: I'm not excusing the Judiciary Police. What I'm saying is, before a mystery, it's not possible to work in such conditions. I have heard the defence lawyer of the family [Rogério Alves] exorcize those possibilities. Nonetheless, the truth is: the mind of an investigator needs to have an absolute freedom, and has to be a man with an absolute freedom in order to place all the hypotheses, from the more reasonable ones to the most obscene ones. You, our judge and here our dear head of the bar, would never have thought - it never crossed your minds, our minds - that there was a man in Beja6 that would murder his granddaughter, that would murder his daughter, murder his wife, and then would have lunch and dinner with their cadavers hidden inside the bedroom, covering up the crime from the public and from the authorities. This would never have crossed our minds, because the reality often surpasses fiction. And this is something that takes place quite a lot in the life of crime, it's very often. So, prejudices, defences and prior preparations of defence, previous interdictions, all this just hampers the discovery of the truth.

ongoing transcript/[N2S 40:51]

Too funny - according to Flores, it's Sky New's fault Gonc fouled up;


FMF: Yes, important vestiges were lost, everything was lost due to the media, because what mattered was to transform that crime in a large scale English newscast [SkyNews, BBC, were doing 24 hours coverage and live broadcasts since the very night of Madeleine's disappearance, allegedly called by Tapas 9 members or by their families], and then the TV channels...

AMP: Moita Flores, the Judiciary Police wasn't working for the English news channels.

Quite.

Really, Flores is saying that the PJ are too amateurish to deal with the media, and that they are nothing like as professional as the police in the rest of Europe or the US, who take it for granted that the media will be involved.

ESPECIALLY WHEN A CHILD HAS BEEN ABDUCTED

IN THE REST OF THE WORLD, WALL TO WALL TV COVERAGE IS NORMAL

Other police forces can cope, why couldn't the PJ under Gonc?

Sabot wrote:
I'm going with Lilyofthevalley's version of Morais being given stuff.

She's clearly rattled, isn't she? Flores is causing a disaster, but it seems to go deeper than that.

Oh, and Flores SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE.

As I am sure Senhor Pinto, who will be testifying at Gonc's libel trial, is well aware.

FMF: Yes, important vestiges were lost, everything was lost due to the media

Oh, so it was Sky News that spread dog hairs everywhere, and smothered everything in red powder?

Who knew?

The Portuguese forensic people certainly didn't blame Sky News:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post106888.html#p106888

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VO ... e_2311.jpg

09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2312 Photos 21 to 23: Displays of the the bedroom with two single beds of the target apartment.

Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.
Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.

Flores must be as rattled as Morais, to come out with bollox like that.

Morais certainly sounds a trifle annoyed, Bonny, but they are so divorced from reality that they quite possibly cannot see how damaging this interview is for Goncalo Amaral.

"We were scuppered. We were defamed. We were blocked at every turn", although it didn't look like that to me from where I was standing at the time.
Everyone who was asked gave a statement, although there seemed to be a lack of statements from The McCanns and the other members of the Tapas Group, simply because they weren't asked.
Then Gonc went off on a "Tie in Murat to The McCanns and friends" rampage, because he jolly well knew that The McCanns could not possibly have done what he thought without help.

This is all so bloody pathetic, and is just making them look even bigger idiots than they already are known to be. None of it is going to help Goncalo Amaral. But why should we care.

I think you are right, Sabot, they are all so used to the sheeples and shrooms swallowing nonsense like this without question, Flores has forgotten this is going to a wider audience and that he is doing it right in front of Senhor Pinto.

Pinto and Ms Duarte must have been doing the Happy Dance when this disaster was aired.

Flores is succeeding in making Gonc sound as if he was about as much use as the local Brownie pack, reduced to impotency by Sky News.

And Gonc and the Team really should stop parrotting about 'hypotheses' - we all know by now that that means, We made it all up.

Flores thinks the McCanns:


allowed for that place to become the biggest media circus in the world


Really? Bigger than 9/11?

Bigger than a Royal wedding?

Bigger than the French terrorist? Or Breivik?


If that's what he thinks, then Flores needs to get out more.

I don't think The McCanns were responsible for that. The Media would have come rushing in anyway, and The McCanns couldn't have stopped that even if they had wanted to.
The PJ made it worse by refusing to talk to The Press officially, and then leaking sheit.

Amaral is going to feel hard done by whatever. His incompetence, if not worse, finally caught up with him.
He started this Circus, which was stupid to say the least when one considers his personal problems, none of which would have come out if he had kept his mouth shut and retired with real dignity.

FMF: Yes, important vestiges were lost, everything was lost due to the media, because what mattered was to transform that crime in a large scale English newscast [SkyNews, BBC, were doing 24 hours coverage and live broadcasts since the very night of Madeleine's disappearance, allegedly called by Tapas 9 members or by their families], and then the TV channels
So Martin Brunt and co. were responsible for Madeleine not being found?

Have you ever heard the like, Tony? Especially from someone WHO SHOULD HAVE HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE INVESTIGATION?

Thank God the media and the UK ambassador were on the scene quickly; Gonc's mates are giving the impression that if there hadn't been outsiders there, those dangerous police station stairs would have been polished again...

crazytony wrote:FMF: Yes, important vestiges were lost, everything was lost due to the media, because what mattered was to transform that crime in a large scale English newscast [SkyNews, BBC, were doing 24 hours coverage and live broadcasts since the very night of Madeleine's disappearance, allegedly called by Tapas 9 members or by their families], and then the TV channels
So Martin Brunt and co. were responsible for Madeleine not being found?

So Moita Flores thinks that The British Media interfered with the scene of the crime, and Goncalo Amaral never stood a chance of stitching up The McCanns, or beating a confession out of them.
Personally, I think it was The British Ambassador, but that's just my opinion.

bb1 wrote:Have you ever heard the like, Tony? Especially from someone WHO SHOULD HAVE HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE INVESTIGATION?

Thank God the media and the UK ambassador were on the scene quickly; Gonc's mates are giving the impression that if there hadn't been outsiders there, those dangerous police station stairs would have been polished again...

All through this sad case, it has always been everyone else' fault for the foul ups, but not Amaral and his motley crew.