Gonc fails to make satisfactory offer to McCanns

Exciting news for all fans of Dear Julia....

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/lazer/tv--media/a-tendencia-e-por-famosos-a-correrem-riscos-acrescidos

She's going to be fronting the Portuguese edition of Splash!

Is about to return to primetime SIC with the program 'Splash!'. Was already homesick?
Is very fancy me give this 'dip' for the night, especially with a program so fun. I was in Madrid to watch the final of the Spanish version and it is indeed magnificent. 'Splash!' has what is called 'sheer entertainment value': has color, spectacle, size and scale. So I'm preparadíssima. I think it will be fantastic.

Oh, me too! Any chance of Gonc and Sargento being the first to grace the diving board?

Just watch Team Gonc dive for cover now.....

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1375.45

DCI

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He was allowed back into Court afterwards because the decision to remove him was over ruled.

Everyone is now saying that he did a runner to Brazil, when in fact he has just married a Brazilian lady.

Who to believe sometimes?

Yes he was cleared, Eleanor. It was Amaral who tried to get him sectioned, and failed.

By the way, married and back living very happily in MADEIRA

Oh dear, didn't the Goncalettes know Marcos and his family had returned to Portugal? Can I make jokes about Immodium and toilet rolls?

En Y Var, then. Let's see some evidence of how mad Marcos Correia might or might not be.

I have to say, it has been vastly entertaining watching them all talk their usual carp about Marcos 'running away to Brazil', when we knew he had done no such thing, and indeed, was returning to Portugal.

It's been hard to resist the temptation to go TICK TOCK.

They have been Tick Tocking almost since day one, Bonny. And their ridiculous Tick still hasn't Tocked.

I will never forget the first post I ever made on The McCann Affair. I was left reeling from shock at the vituperation I received, simply because I suggested Innocent until Proven Guilty. And that was in JUNE 2007. I very nearly went away and hid. Until I thought, "I'm not having that." So they woke a sleeping tiger, which so many of us were in those days.
No point in going back over it all. Those of us with any vestige of intelligence know exactly what has been said and done, to the enth degree.

We aren't changing the minds of the truly depraved. But Kate and Gerry McCann know that they have support. This is why I keep on doing it.

The hardcore will remain that, as you say, Sabot. And bless your heart for being there from the start.

lily wrote:The hardcore will remain that, as you say, Sabot. And bless your heart for being there from the start.

Well, honestly, Lily. It was such a shock. I had never been on a Forum before that day.
We must all know by now that I had a few doubts in the beginning. But It never entered my head that these scum bag Portuguese Posters were lying. In fact, I am not sure even now that some of them even knew that they were lying. I can understand patriotism with the best of them.
The difference is that I am capable of spotting what is proven truth and what isn't, eventually.

This was racism and fascism at it's worst. But who knew in those days that The PJ were largely still Fascist?

I am still having trouble getting my head around this, even though I know that it is true.

It's the lying I will never, ever get my head round, Sabot. It simply didn't occur to me that people could tell such enormous lies - I really did think that if something said, Sources in the PJ said.... it was pretty much true. When the truth was that the whole anti-McCann campaign was a lie, almost from Day One.

Frankly, it makes me wonder what's in it for the ringleaders, the likes of Morais and co, the ones who have churned out the worst bullsh*t. And now, we've got the likes of Luz going on the Justice forum and posting outright, proveable lies - thankfully, they can't get away with it any more.

It's laughable to see all Morais' deluded UK shrooms waiting for her to give them news, as if Portugal was some far-flung, mystical island without the internet; the last thing they will ever get from her is the truth.

I don't think the PJ are largely Fascist, Sabot, far from it. I do think that there is a pocket of corruption in the Algarve, which seems to have been operating like a state within a state - and a police state, at that. It's being cleaned up, slowly, which is better than not at all.

I am really, really looking forward to Cristovao's trial - I think a lot of jaws are going to drop when we hear everything he's been up to, right back to the rape allegation, and his proven theft of money from the PJ.

Why Luz and her ilk are still defending these people is a matter for their consciences. But I bet we don't see them for dust when the truth starts getting splattered all over CdM.

It was my first time on a forum too and I, like you both, believed that they were telling the truth.

I think that is a good thing though, as we treat others as we would have them treat us. It took a while to find out what lying toe rags some of them were/are.

Oh, come on, Bonny. Do we believe that PJ Officers were brought down from Lisbon to beat up Leonor Cipriano? The PJ Hierarchy seem to think so since they are after their Pensions, by all accounts.
You know, how many large areas of The PJ are there? How big is Portugal? Just how many of this elite group know each other? All of the same age. So they never met up in PJ Training School?

And just how many similar problems has Lisbon had with Torture, and Cover Ups of Child Abuse?

Nope, it is rife throughout Portugal. They all know each other. And are all of the same mind set. This is what happened at the start of The Glorious Revolution.

Okay, the likes of Rebelo are trying to sort it, but no where near enough fast enough because even the likes of he don't want their country shamed totally.
And God forbid how much it would cost in compensation.

lily wrote:It was my first time on a forum too and I, like you both, believed that they were telling the truth.

I think that is a good thing though, as we treat others as we would have them treat us. It took a while to find out what lying toe rags some of them were/are.

I don't know, Lily. I think is just the way I was born, and no actual credit to me. That is the thing I try to remember. It is a fact that bad genes travel down through generations, and that some people really don't have much of a chance. The one thing I don't want is to be seen as better than anyone else because I don't believe that I am. Just more fortunate than some.

I don't understand Evil, and I don't want to, so I will always give the benefit of the doubt. But I will fight those whom I believe to be wrong.

So, I go to have a read of CdM this fine spring evening, and the very first thing I see is this:

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/treze-policias-vao-a-julgamento

Cascais
Thirteen policemen go on trial
Face charges of criminal association for private security illegal trafficking in drugs and arms, extortion, corruption and coercion.

The Criminal Court (ICT) decided on Tuesday to prosecute police 13 Division Cascais for criminal association for private security illegal trafficking in drugs and arms, extortion, corruption and coercion.
In the case of the crime of drug trafficking qualified, it was disqualified for simply having the judge also dropped the main crime of criminal association, considering that not proven the existence of an organized group that got the money with the practice of many unlawful in the area of ​​Cascais area, as the prosecution argued prosecutors (MP).
During the reading of the decision investigator, held this Tuesday in the criminal courts of Lisbon, Campus of Justice, Maria Antonia Andrade gave the 13 policemen and 16 of the 17 civilians, the same type of crimes, from the process to have 29 defendants .
"It is noteworthy honesty lady judge who sought to truly understand the facts, and his courage by not prosecuting the accused by two major crimes that were charged: conspiracy and drug trafficking qualified", said a lawyer three defendants.
"Of course I believe in judging things will go well," said Christopher Helder, at the end of the session.
The 13 policemen and 17 civilians were accused by MP in May 2012 of criminal association, corruption, drug trafficking qualified private security unlawful coercion, extortion and arms trafficking.
After deducting the charge, some lawyers requested the opening statement and the nullity of the whole process, but all applications were rejected by the court, which considered that they had "no foundation".
According to the order for the prosecution of the MP, at a date not precisely accurate, but no more than five years, three of the suspects - a chief and two officers - along with other colleagues and civilians, "took advantage of the fact that police officers are to organize, sharing functions, developing and executing a scheme to obtain money from the commission of crimes. "
The MP stated that the alleged criminal network "only gave part of the money and drugs seized (cocaine and cannabis) to the order of processes", keeping the rest.

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Drug smuggling? Arms dealing? It makes taking back-handers from the NOTW look positively harmless.....

The problem with fascism, as with communism, is that it is insidious, worming its way into the very fabric of a country. Some manage to eradicate it, and achieve true democracy, others do not. The hardest place to cleanse is the judiciary, as many countries have found out in the last 20 years; just look at Russia, whose police are fast reverting to the old Soviet model. It is very hard to become a true democracy when for hundreds of years you have been either ruled by autocrats like the Czars or have suffered for years under a one party dictatorship. One hopes that Portugal will throw off the tainted mantle of Salazar and his iron fisted rule, but it will take great strength of will. We can only wait and see. LL

Oh My. So The Judge decided that there was no Conspiracy because it hadn't been proven that they all colluded? Okay, I'll go along with that. Conspiracy is always the worst of Crimes, but always the most difficult to prove. In fact, many a British Prosecution has fallen by the wayside because they couldn't prove Conspiracy.
But to understand that, you need to understand the meaning of Conspiracy, which is never as simple as it sounds. It has to start at the beginning, and is never Conspiracy if it just evolves as time goes by.

I amaze myself sometimes. I have always known what Conspiracy means. It is a Legal Term which generally plays no part in proving anything.

This is no surprise to me:

"Thirteen policemen go on trial
Face charges of criminal association for private security illegal trafficking in drugs and arms, extortion, corruption and coercion."

Lamplighter wrote:The problem with fascism, as with communism, is that it is insidious, worming its way into the very fabric of a country. Some manage to eradicate it, and achieve true democracy, others do not. The hardest place to cleanse is the judiciary, as many countries have found out in the last 20 years; just look at Russia, whose police are fast reverting to the old Soviet model. It is very hard to become a true democracy when for hundreds of years you have been either ruled by autocrats like the Czars or have suffered for years under a one party dictatorship. One hopes that Portugal will throw off the tainted mantle of Salazar and his iron fisted rule, but it will take great strength of will. We can only wait and see. LL

If only, if only, LL. But I don't think that the will is there. And I am not even sure that Democracy as I know it is even such a good idea.
Britain has a Democracy? ORLY? Britain is every bit as corrupt in different ways.

I don't actually know about France. French Socialism gives me certain considerations about which I am not going to complain. But that is the thing, you see. France makes no difference between me and the sons of their soil.

Vive Napoleon is all I can say. Although I am never quite sure which Napoleon. But then The French don't know which Napoleon either.

No system is ever perfect, Sabot. But what Morais and co don't grasp is that there is more to democracy than waving carnations around and announcing you are now a democracy.

Too many of them, IMO, still think like Fascists, for all their flower-waving.

bb1 wrote:No system is ever perfect, Sabot. But what Morais and co don't grasp is that there is more to democracy than waving carnations around and announcing you are now a democracy.

Too many of them, IMO, still think like Fascists, for all their flower-waving.

Okay, I'll settle for whatever France thinks is okay. France is kind to me, and I am never made to feel like a boring old fart. Not ever. I am actually treated with some respect. Oh My. And guess what, even by Brits who have integrated.

I really don't know. But it isn't my problem anymore.

A lot of getting respect when you go to live in another country is based on you giving respect to the people of that country. Often ex-pats don't do that, they seem to imagine that the country they 'invade' should be thankful to receive such an honor! I have seen it in many parts of Europe, this apparent inability to integrate. I have been accepted here, I have made a sincere effort to become part of this village and I have been accorded friendship and assistance. My efforts to speak the language have been greeted with amusement, delight and tolerance of my mispronunciation. I have been made part of the community and I have made sure I reciprocated their acceptance of me and my, to them, funny ways. I expect that, eventually, I will go back to live in Vienna, but at present I am comfortable and content here. LL

Lamplighter wrote:A lot of getting respect when you go to live in another country is based on you giving respect to the people of that country. Often ex-pats don't do that, they seem to imagine that the country they 'invade' should be thankful to receive such an honor! I have seen it in many parts of Europe, this apparent inability to integrate. I have been accepted here, I have made a sincere effort to become part of this village and I have been accorded friendship and assistance. My efforts to speak the language have been greeted with amusement, delight and tolerance of my mispronunciation. I have been made part of the community and I have made sure I reciprocated their acceptance of me and my, to them, funny ways. I expect that, eventually, I will go back to live in Vienna, but at present I am comfortable and content here. LL

I don't know, Love. Anything beyond La Plume de Ma Tante was completely beyond me.
I was doing Gymnastics when I should have been learning French. But I was very good at Gymnastics. So, quite possibly my school used me. I don't know, and I don't care. For one glorious moment I was special. I won't go into what stopped it.

Finishing up in France for whatever reason is entirely by the by. It was a haven.
I then got off my backside and earned a living, although it has never been an amazing living. Just enough to get by, which is all I ever wanted.

I now speak half decent French, but strangely enough, mostly proper French. But then most French people do, so they never actually misunderstand me. They just think I am a bit odd. But always they are kind, you see.

You could say that my ability to speak proper English is some sort of disability, And you really don't want to hear me doing this because it would bore the arse off you. Much more pertinent to talk the talk. Proper English has no place with these people.

A lot of getting respect when you go to live in another country is based on you giving respect to the people of that country.

Very well said, LL. I currently live in a part of the world that is far removed from what I am used to on a daily basis. Attitudes towards and between men and women are vastly different here. However, I persevered and now am greeted with smiles by both men and women. For instance, when HH the Ruler was in our local Starbucks, one of the gentlemen came racing to find me and take me down to meet him. He graciously asked me to sit with him for a long time while we talked about Los Angeles. I was stunned that he knew the road on which I had lived for some years.

The people are truly hospitable and I am grateful for having this experience.

Once one loses the erroneous idea, often indoctrinated from childhood, that all furriners are second class citizens, and that the ways you know are better than those of the country you have settled in, you are well on the way to assimilating. My son and daughter, both living for many years in the Far East, have been accepted and their children know that everyone is equal under the sky, no person is less than his neighbor. I found the USA very strange to start off with but buckled down and made myself appreciate their style of life. I could never have stayed there, I am European through and through, but I value my time in your country, Lily, and carry fond memories of the kindness accorded to me and my family. I think Mr Spock's saying "IDIC - infinite diversity in infinite combinations" should be learned, digested and practiced by anyone who does move abroad. LL

LL, I believe that kindness is one of the greatest universal languages.

lily wrote:LL, I believe that kindness is one of the greatest universal languages.

I have tried, over my long and varied life, to follow a few precepts - be kind, be gentle, be truthful, be helpful, try not to judge people (this one can sometimes be a bit hard to stick to!) and never forget those magic words 'please' and 'thank you'. Not difficult rules, are they? LL

No they are not, LL. That is how I too was raised.

I think that this is another reason why I find many of the haters intolerable.