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Re: Gonc fails to make satisfactory offer to McCanns
Quite, Tony - why on earth would anyone take smiffy seriously? He changes direction faster than a Ryanair jet at Dublin airport.
Self-published stoner rubbish was about his dead strength, IMO.
Self-published stoner rubbish was about his dead strength, IMO.
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bb1 wrote:Notice none of them are publically mentioning the fact that Bennett tried to delay proceedings yet again? As you say, he and Gonc are just playing games to delay the inevitable.
And if their fans cannot - or will not - work out for themselves why Bennett and Big Rock are terrified of having to defend themselves, well, that's their problem.
All Amaral had to do was to get his Court Date delayed past Bennett's Court Date if he was hoping for a Bennett win. He didn't have to make any great effort to settle.
Amaral has now delayed his date until probably September, so there is nothing to stop him trying to settle in the meantime without the world at large knowing anything about it.
In the light of Bennett's Big Fail, even unto pointers in the direction of any Bennett Libel Trial Fail as well, Amaral might decide that his own settlement could well be a good idea. Gross Libel decisions don't change all that much from Country to Country.
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'Me' is still banging the drum for smiffy's bizarre view of matters - such loyalty is rather touching. Or would be, if it wasn't an excuse to carry on the hatefest.
In that overblown, florid, writing style, strangely reminiscent of smiffy himself, 'Me' tries to convince the Gonc faithful that all is well and tick tock, the tide is turning.
Neither of them seem to grasp the three basic errors they've made.
The first is convincing themselves that stories in UK tabloids years ago are either accurate or relevant to 2013.
The second is easy - only a fool would believe a far-fetched tale leaked by the representatives of a convicted perjurer.
The third - well, it's a howler, but none of them seem able to see it. And we ain't going to tell them what it is.
In that overblown, florid, writing style, strangely reminiscent of smiffy himself, 'Me' tries to convince the Gonc faithful that all is well and tick tock, the tide is turning.
Neither of them seem to grasp the three basic errors they've made.
The first is convincing themselves that stories in UK tabloids years ago are either accurate or relevant to 2013.
The second is easy - only a fool would believe a far-fetched tale leaked by the representatives of a convicted perjurer.
The third - well, it's a howler, but none of them seem able to see it. And we ain't going to tell them what it is.
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How odd - they don't seem to want to discuss smiffy's revelation that he was, in fact, bullsh*tting with all that burned bread bolleaux.
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Deluded forker searches for some burned crumb to give them hope:
I think he's toying with the pros.
Either they're lying, or they've been lied to from above.
Indeed, the McCanns' very own OFM webmaster fielded a few questions by stating that the McCann cave-in was indeed all rumours and lies and he didn't want to talk about 'that nasty man' (his words) again.
But what happens when information released proves otherwise? As he says, it will be a big moment.
For some it will be a crisis of shattering disillusionment.
He's toying with them alright.
Oh, quite a lot are going to be shattered and disillusioned, and if they want to know who, well, they only have to look in the mirror. Providing they actually have reflections, of course.
I think he's toying with the pros.
Either they're lying, or they've been lied to from above.
Indeed, the McCanns' very own OFM webmaster fielded a few questions by stating that the McCann cave-in was indeed all rumours and lies and he didn't want to talk about 'that nasty man' (his words) again.
But what happens when information released proves otherwise? As he says, it will be a big moment.
For some it will be a crisis of shattering disillusionment.
He's toying with them alright.
Oh, quite a lot are going to be shattered and disillusioned, and if they want to know who, well, they only have to look in the mirror. Providing they actually have reflections, of course.
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McCann-haters still not grasped it, I see. Still not dawned on them that the opening move came from Gonc and his O Crime lawyer, but it was the McCanns' people in Lisbon who had to do the court paperwork?
Still not dawned on them that it was just another ploy by Gonc to get the libel trial delayed YET AGAIN, as he is running scared? Looks like he's now managed to get it delayed until at least September.
The McCanns' representatives have been ready for a long time, but Gonc keeps dreaming up excuses not to play that fabled Ace. I wonder if its because there is no Ace, and it's over for him the minute he finally plucks up courage to stand in the dock.
He's just another Bennett really, all bombast and excuses.
Still not dawned on them that it was just another ploy by Gonc to get the libel trial delayed YET AGAIN, as he is running scared? Looks like he's now managed to get it delayed until at least September.
The McCanns' representatives have been ready for a long time, but Gonc keeps dreaming up excuses not to play that fabled Ace. I wonder if its because there is no Ace, and it's over for him the minute he finally plucks up courage to stand in the dock.
He's just another Bennett really, all bombast and excuses.
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If he were a man, he would face up to it and get it over with. No need for delays......
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It's very revealing that so few of them seem to have any grasp of the way the law works, in any country.
Real law, not the pretendy law they invent to suit themselves.
Real law, not the pretendy law they invent to suit themselves.
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...And smiffy demonstrates yet again that he hasn't got the foggiest idea what any of this is about, and totally fails to grasp how distasteful it is to see the likes of him write an abducted child off as dead.
Mind you, I seem to recall that, on 3A MK 2, he sickeningly announced that he couldn't care less about Madeleine McCann, because he was more interested in some kind of point-scoring. Same mindset as Gonc, Bennett and co.
Mind you, I seem to recall that, on 3A MK 2, he sickeningly announced that he couldn't care less about Madeleine McCann, because he was more interested in some kind of point-scoring. Same mindset as Gonc, Bennett and co.
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Re: Gonc fails to make satisfactory offer to McCanns
J B Littlemore @JBLittlemore
@k1482 No need to create a thing. Evidence exists or does not; truth is constant & doesn't vary; innocence stands without defenders.
Really? Go and tell that to Timothy Evans, or any of the other people who have been victims of miscarriages of justice.
Or how about Virgolino Borges, an innocent man tortured by their hero Tavares de Almeida, in a manner last heard of in the Middle Ages.
The hypocrisy from these people is breathtaking.
@k1482 No need to create a thing. Evidence exists or does not; truth is constant & doesn't vary; innocence stands without defenders.
Really? Go and tell that to Timothy Evans, or any of the other people who have been victims of miscarriages of justice.
Or how about Virgolino Borges, an innocent man tortured by their hero Tavares de Almeida, in a manner last heard of in the Middle Ages.
The hypocrisy from these people is breathtaking.
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this amaral is truly stupid does he ever thought that the McCanns after suffered injustices, smears, lies, defamation, due to amaral´s delusional brain, would accept his crap? you´re wrong delusional amaral.
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Re: Gonc fails to make satisfactory offer to McCanns
He's like Bennett, he doesn't care a XXXX what he does to people. He certainly doesn't give a toss about Madeleine McCann - or any other child.
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@ShyLand_ @wotsbutlerdoing I can't even remember how many times he's flounced so far, once a year? Twice? More often? #McCann
Yup; who can forget smiffy flouncing after PFA caught him altering a witness statement to suit one of his ramblings?
This was a good one, too:
Saturday, 5 February 2011
Time for a change
From: (Blacksmith)
Sent: 05 February 2011 11:47
To: (XXXXXXXXXXXXXX)
Subject: The Blacksmith Bureau
Hello.
You will note that I have deleted the Bureau. There are a number of reasons for doing so, the most important of which is that it is no longer fulfilling its purpose of assisting GA with the provision of reliable counter-information to the inadequacies of the UK media.
One issue, however, concerns you and me.
I have always accepted criticism from the supporters of the McCanns, most of whom are, while unpleasant as individuals, as sincere in their views as we are in ours, especially since the blog has never been aimed at forum members but at the neutral general reader. For some time, however, on the Joana Morais and MCF sites you have allowed, unmoderated, persistent personal attacks on me, mostly, it seems, from Portuguese posters, claiming, among other things, that I had no factual basis for my comments and that they were some sort of vendetta against GA (Goncalo Amaral ed.)or the Portuguese.
And these comments have been amplified elsewhere.You know what a good friend of Portugal I have been. You knew perfectly well that the majority of the Portuguese information I posted from beginning to end was provided by Goncalo Amaral and yourself, with subsidiary input and documentation from others, including members of the PJ, officer De Freitas and lawyers associated with the case, for example. Furthermore I remind you that before publication of recent posts I repeatedly asked for the evidence from GA of political interference by the UK, none of which he was able to provide. At no time has anyone on those two sites made any attempt to point out to the more hysterical of your posters, even tactfully and anonymously, the true origin of much of my information.
I could not do so myself without breaching confidentiality and good faith. As a result the clear impression has been given, and allowed to stand by you and your colleagues, that I am one of those fraudsters like Bennett and Levy – both of whom have been protected from any criticism at all on your sites - who aggrandise themselves with pretend sources, lies and rumours. I am sorry but I am not willing to accept that insult to my reputation unchallenged.
Unless I receive a reply from you today outlining your plans to bring these facts to your readers on both sites I intend to publish this email.
B
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Guess Ms Morais, or whoever, didn't jump to do his bidding, as it was indeed published as threatened.
@ShyLand_ @wotsbutlerdoing I can't even remember how many times he's flounced so far, once a year? Twice? More often? #McCann
Yup; who can forget smiffy flouncing after PFA caught him altering a witness statement to suit one of his ramblings?
This was a good one, too:
Saturday, 5 February 2011
Time for a change
From: (Blacksmith)
Sent: 05 February 2011 11:47
To: (XXXXXXXXXXXXXX)
Subject: The Blacksmith Bureau
Hello.
You will note that I have deleted the Bureau. There are a number of reasons for doing so, the most important of which is that it is no longer fulfilling its purpose of assisting GA with the provision of reliable counter-information to the inadequacies of the UK media.
One issue, however, concerns you and me.
I have always accepted criticism from the supporters of the McCanns, most of whom are, while unpleasant as individuals, as sincere in their views as we are in ours, especially since the blog has never been aimed at forum members but at the neutral general reader. For some time, however, on the Joana Morais and MCF sites you have allowed, unmoderated, persistent personal attacks on me, mostly, it seems, from Portuguese posters, claiming, among other things, that I had no factual basis for my comments and that they were some sort of vendetta against GA (Goncalo Amaral ed.)or the Portuguese.
And these comments have been amplified elsewhere.You know what a good friend of Portugal I have been. You knew perfectly well that the majority of the Portuguese information I posted from beginning to end was provided by Goncalo Amaral and yourself, with subsidiary input and documentation from others, including members of the PJ, officer De Freitas and lawyers associated with the case, for example. Furthermore I remind you that before publication of recent posts I repeatedly asked for the evidence from GA of political interference by the UK, none of which he was able to provide. At no time has anyone on those two sites made any attempt to point out to the more hysterical of your posters, even tactfully and anonymously, the true origin of much of my information.
I could not do so myself without breaching confidentiality and good faith. As a result the clear impression has been given, and allowed to stand by you and your colleagues, that I am one of those fraudsters like Bennett and Levy – both of whom have been protected from any criticism at all on your sites - who aggrandise themselves with pretend sources, lies and rumours. I am sorry but I am not willing to accept that insult to my reputation unchallenged.
Unless I receive a reply from you today outlining your plans to bring these facts to your readers on both sites I intend to publish this email.
B
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Guess Ms Morais, or whoever, didn't jump to do his bidding, as it was indeed published as threatened.
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blacksmith Post subject: Re: MAIN MADELEINE THREAD MK V Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:02 pm
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Posts: 483 Well, my analysis of the Rebelo stage of the investigation was utterly wrong: I could not believe that the Portuguese would shelve the case and remove arguido status from the parents in the graceless and defeatist way that was so clearly being flagged. But they did. I regret to say that at this moment, the authorities there remind me of a local bobby regarding the carnage of a motorway accident sprawled across six lanes and giving a huge, Peter Sellers-like, nothing-to-do-with-me shrug. But no doubt that is irritation, looking for someone to blame, and it will pass.
I am certainly going to brood on my own judgement and contributions and the possibility that they may have added to a kind of mass folie a deux. At the moment though, and going on the calibre of the people who have posted on this thread – and this thread only! – I don’t feel that to be the case.
As far as the McCanns are concerned I have tended to attack the affair from a different angle from many others here in that I never had any convincing theory as to what happened that night, nor any belief in political interference etc etc. My opinion, before the Portuguese expressed any suspicions about the parents, was that the pair were quite clearly such liars – as evidenced by their statements and television performances - that it was quite inconceivable to me that they could be telling the truth about the night of May 3. That remains exactly my position now, although it is of little account in the scheme of things, and is a problem for me, rather than the McCanns.
I hope I haven’t helped lead anyone here up a garden path
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Posts: 483 Well, my analysis of the Rebelo stage of the investigation was utterly wrong: I could not believe that the Portuguese would shelve the case and remove arguido status from the parents in the graceless and defeatist way that was so clearly being flagged. But they did. I regret to say that at this moment, the authorities there remind me of a local bobby regarding the carnage of a motorway accident sprawled across six lanes and giving a huge, Peter Sellers-like, nothing-to-do-with-me shrug. But no doubt that is irritation, looking for someone to blame, and it will pass.
I am certainly going to brood on my own judgement and contributions and the possibility that they may have added to a kind of mass folie a deux. At the moment though, and going on the calibre of the people who have posted on this thread – and this thread only! – I don’t feel that to be the case.
As far as the McCanns are concerned I have tended to attack the affair from a different angle from many others here in that I never had any convincing theory as to what happened that night, nor any belief in political interference etc etc. My opinion, before the Portuguese expressed any suspicions about the parents, was that the pair were quite clearly such liars – as evidenced by their statements and television performances - that it was quite inconceivable to me that they could be telling the truth about the night of May 3. That remains exactly my position now, although it is of little account in the scheme of things, and is a problem for me, rather than the McCanns.
I hope I haven’t helped lead anyone here up a garden path
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bb1, you´re right, I agree with you:
"He's like Bennett, he doesn't care a XXXX what he does to people. He certainly doesn't give a toss about Madeleine McCann - or any other child."
"He's like Bennett, he doesn't care a XXXX what he does to people. He certainly doesn't give a toss about Madeleine McCann - or any other child."
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Gonc confidante Claudia seems to be in a very bad mood. Surely not bad news?
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What else could it be?
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Dear me! Now she's ranted at Respected Member Panda!
You do not tell me what I will or will not reply. If you're bored, don't log in. If you think you are too good for MM, start your own forum. Anna is a big girl and can defend herself so she certainly doesn't need me to back her up. I just happen to agree with her. I do not like to see this forum used as a means to serve people's agendas and as far as I can, I will prevent it.
But it's a good thing that you expressed your opinion because now I know how I should react if someone insulted you. Simply ignore it.
Nerves touched, cage rattled, etc., about something. Bad news from Team Gonc HQ, mayhap?
You do not tell me what I will or will not reply. If you're bored, don't log in. If you think you are too good for MM, start your own forum. Anna is a big girl and can defend herself so she certainly doesn't need me to back her up. I just happen to agree with her. I do not like to see this forum used as a means to serve people's agendas and as far as I can, I will prevent it.
But it's a good thing that you expressed your opinion because now I know how I should react if someone insulted you. Simply ignore it.
Nerves touched, cage rattled, etc., about something. Bad news from Team Gonc HQ, mayhap?
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The news from Camp Gonc must be very serious indeed.
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Is MM hotting up. Goody, goody. I do like to watch a good fight.
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It's smiffy's fault. He's been ramping up their hysteria to fever pitch with pictures of burned bread, and predictably, reality is failing to live up to the hype.
So they're all snapping and snarling.
So they're all snapping and snarling.
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Oh dear, now the Big Rock Fan Club is frantically clinging to that rather peculiar decision which overturned the ban on The Truth - I Lied on the grounds of Gonc's Yuman Rites, innit?
'Peculiar' because opposing counsel were not notified that the court was sitting, and the supposed 'judgement' was all over the internet courtesy of the Dodgy Translations crew before Ms Duarte had even been told the hearing had taken place, never mind what the decision was.
The whole thing has always given off a strange odour of Rattus.....maybe that's why Big Rock's admirers are acting so peculiarly? Or rather, even more peculiarly than usual.
'Peculiar' because opposing counsel were not notified that the court was sitting, and the supposed 'judgement' was all over the internet courtesy of the Dodgy Translations crew before Ms Duarte had even been told the hearing had taken place, never mind what the decision was.
The whole thing has always given off a strange odour of Rattus.....maybe that's why Big Rock's admirers are acting so peculiarly? Or rather, even more peculiarly than usual.
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Yup, times must be desperate. Carolina/Montclair is positively spamming not-Bennett's site with her own peculiar spin on events. Or propaganda, as it is more usually known.
No idea what she thinks she's going to change, but then, it's the 8rs who are her target audiences.
It'll give them hope.
No idea what she thinks she's going to change, but then, it's the 8rs who are her target audiences.
It'll give them hope.
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What a Liar and a Twister she is. But who cares. All bollox. Won't make a scrap of difference.
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I was rereading contemporary reports on that peculiar decision here:
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t3097p45-book-ban-overturned
Odd that Morais declared it was the Evora court, when it was actually a judge who normally sat at Evora, not Lisbon. And some interesting stuff about that judge's political involvement - bet he wouldn't do the same now, with the downfall of Cristovao, etc.
And it was never explained why opposing counsel wasn't told about the hearing. All in all, a very stinky business, and not the triumph for Yuman Rites it's being touted as.
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t3097p45-book-ban-overturned
Odd that Morais declared it was the Evora court, when it was actually a judge who normally sat at Evora, not Lisbon. And some interesting stuff about that judge's political involvement - bet he wouldn't do the same now, with the downfall of Cristovao, etc.
And it was never explained why opposing counsel wasn't told about the hearing. All in all, a very stinky business, and not the triumph for Yuman Rites it's being touted as.
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